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A09147 The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part. Paterson, F. William. 1620 (1620) STC 19461; ESTC S101863 199,694 338

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beateth the windes but runnes to obtaine and fightes to vinne the reward And lykewise that we late not goe the steadfast hold of our hope but holding it sure and cleauing fast to the Rock of our faith against which the gates of Hell cannot preuaile neyther infidelity to haue accesse Cyp. Epist 55. ad comm PP If therefore we see by the verdict of the Apostle that Heresies must be which in effect brust out in the dayes of the Apostles as bade weeades springs vp amongst the cornes in the good husbandrie of our Lord and as cockle owersowede of the enemy in the good feild of God For in the dayes of the Apostles there wāted not most wicked Heretickes as Simon Magus Her nogines Philectus Hymenaeus Alexander Nicolaus who are mentioned in the Scripture to haue wauered and been inconstant in the faith and after the knowledge of righteousnes to haue turned back from the verity and to haue maintayned erroneous opinions and teached false doctrine for lucre cause VVith those also brust out others as the Ebionists Cerinthus Marciō against whom S. Paul S. Peter S. Iohn and S. Iude hath writen discouring thē their doctrin vvth there manners the which wicked persones were so drūned in the sees of Heresies and delighted themselues in their poysonable opinions of errors yealous and fyrie to mantaine the same with their blood So that to this presēt day there hath been no age free of Heresie neyther was the world so perfect in Faith and Religion in the dayes of the Apostles more then now neyther is the world so perfect yet as not to haue many simple people in it neyther is the simple people so happy as to keepe themselues securly humble and in the obedience of the doctrine of the Church neyther is the obedient fully secure not to be deceaued of subtill and crafty men neyther is the subtill crafty Heretick so carefull of his credit honesty to moderat his peruerse opiniō and malice to spare and forbeare to maintain opē falshoods old dampned opinions to intangle and snare the ignorantes and simple people VVherfore the Apostle prognosticates Heresies to be that mē ben forewarnde and fortold that as Heresies must be with it subtility and malice that whē men beholde the one to be circumspect not to be deceaued and trapped in the other against whom Christ our Saluiour exhortes vs totake head of false Prophets who are clothed in sheape skinnes and are inwardly reaweing wolues Matth. 7. And S. Iohn biddes not belieue euery spirit but try them and decerne them whether they be of God or no But who is this prudent and wyse that can not be deceaued and who hath that gift to decerne spirits seing Heresie it selfe is of the Scripture and deceit and malice is of the diuell that old serpent for made not Sathan this potion out of Scripture when he said Gen. 3. Eritis sicut dij his deceat and malice is discouered in calling him an Serpent as it is writen erat serpēs calidior cunctis animantibꝰ terrae gen 3. Therefore how shall men of good iudgement know thē farelesse how shall the ignorant and lai-persones try truth from falshood sounde doctrine from error heresie frō true Religion seing it is cōmon in this age and taught euery man to read the Scriptures and by them to decerne spirites truth and falshood heresie and true Religion I wish frō my hart if it please God that as holy Scripture is the true tryall therof that it were as euident and plaine to all men to seike the tryall therin which the whole learned holy men frō the Apostles tymes hath iudged the contrary that the Scripture is a book of difficulties as S Aust saith lib. 2. de doct Christi cap. 6. Many things are darke and obscure in the Scriptures and it hath been so prouyded of God to the intēt that our pryd may be taymed with traueill and our knowledge not cloyed with facility which quickly contemneth what hath been easily learned In this same mynd is S Hier. in Ezech. cap. 45. saying All prophesie and interpretation of the Scriptute containes the truth in darknes and obscurity to the intent that the scollers learned within may vuderstād but the rude people without may not know what is said least we should cast precious perles before hoges if the treasure of Gods secrets should be opened to euery mā To amplifie at more lenght the difficultie therof Epiph. in Anchoratu saies The Scripture telleth all truth but we haue need of a good vnderstanding and perseuerance to know God and his word Lykewyse Orig lib. 7. in leuit There is in the Gospel saith he the letter that killeth and this destroying letre is not only in the old buc also in the new Testamēt to him that vnderstandes it not spiritually what is said VVhich difficultie Tert. in praesc affirmes saying I am not a feared to say that the Scriptures themselues haue been so disposed by the will of God that they might minister matter vnto Heretickes And therfore seing the Apostle prognosticates that Heresie must be which could not be without the Scripture which is an ample field for all sectes the greater should be our prudence and wisdome to beweere of their deceat and subtilities lest they bring to passe which S. Paul feared saying that as the Serpent deceaued Eua through his subtility euen so your senses may be corrupted and to fall away from the simplicity vvhich is in Christ Iesu For such false Apostles are decetfull workers transfigurating themselues in the Apostles of Christ Neyther is it marueil that they so appeare for their master Sathan can transfigure himselfe in an Angell of light therfore it is not a great matter if his ministers can transfigurat thēselues in the apparance of ministers of righteousnes vvhose end shal be according to their vvorks Secondly to deceat and craft is neuer anexed malice enuy ialousie calūnies vvhich must proceed from Heresie as Christ himself defines saying ex fructibꝰ eorū cognoscetis eos mat 7. vvhich fruicts are so manifest and euident that they cannot be obscured and denyed is their slanderous reportes inuections lyes skooffs and blasphemies against God and his Church vnknown to the vvorld no in vvhich doing they haue follovved and imitated the Manicheis as vvitnes S Aug. lib. de vtilit cred c. 1. vvho exceeded all other Hereticks before them that vvith open mouth selādered the Church of Christ and charging her vvith sensles prodigious dostrines and errours outfaceing their blasphemies vvith bitter inuections and calumnies to affray the ignorant people frō the bosome of the Catholik Church and by setting them selues in the stoll as fearfull bogelles to affray children that they might not knovv the verity through ther deceat and malice neyther vvhether the Church is but their synagogue manasseing and treatning to ioyne all to there cōuentickle lyke foullars vvho hauing layd the lyme vvands by the spring
the Apostle 1. Cor. 1. I beseech you Bretherē by the name of our Lord IESVS Christ that ye say all one thing and that there be no Schismes among you but be you perfect in one sense and in the same knowledge Againe 1. Cor. 14. God is not a god of dissention but of peace Againe Rome 15. Now the God of patience and consolation giue you to think the same thing one with another according to Iesus Christ that with one mynd and one mouth yow may honour God Againe Rom. 12. Be not high minded and be not wise in your selues Againe Phil. 2. If there be any consolation in Christ if any comfort of loue if any fellowship of the spirit if any compassion and mercy fulfill my ioye that ye be lyke minded hauing the same loue being of one vnity and of one iudgement Therefore to descrybe this One with her vnity she is called the body of Christ and his Spouse the Kingdome of Heauen his only doue and perfect one his elect and sister new Ierusalem the arck of Noe. as witnesse these following Eph. 4. 5.1 Cor. 11. Rom. 12. Cant. 6 4. Apoc. 21. Gen. 8. Psalm 79. Cant 2. Esa 5. Ier. 2 12. Matth. 20. Marc. 12. Apoc. 14. Luc. 5. Matth. 13. Therefore as the Church is One so hath she vnity the reason is because first she is directed by the holy Ghost The causes of vnity in the Church ●s the holy Ghost the teacher of the truth a visible head to f●llow the truth and the definitiōs of ●he Church for conseruing of the truth which is the God of loue and peace and alwayes teacheth the truth which is but One. Secondly the high Pastor and head of the Church who vnder Christ gouernes this Church in a visible manner is an other cause because whilest all obey one who cannot swarue frō the truth because he is the head of the church for whome Christ hath prayed Matth. 16 Luc 22. For faith and truth must agree in one because faith truth are but one Thirdly the definition of the Church as a square rule by which the truth and relig●on is tryed and Scriptures are expounded which rules are the cause of vnitie loue peace in the Church of Christ Noe such lyke thing can be sayd of the protestantes where is this one Church amongst thē where is vnity which is a vertue proceeding of the holy Ghost who teacheth the truth for the conseruation of vnitie where is the head vnto whome all concurres where are the definitions for the keeping of vnity Are these effects among the sectaries Moreouer in the article of faith nombers of Sacramēts exposition of the Scripture the vse and effectes of the Sacramentes such jarres emulations and discords are amongst themselues that Nicol. gall superintendent in Rhensburgein thesibus hypoth sayth Our contention is not in small matters neyther of trifles How variable is the vnitie of the protestants and irreconciliable but in the highest articles of the Christian religion to wit of the law of the Ghospel of iustification and good workes of the Sacraments and vse of them of diuyne worshipe and ceremonies Which by no meanes can be appeased hidden or dissembled for they are plaine contradictions which can not be accorded thus he So that by their owne professors they are conuinced of discord and sectes Lykewyse Sturnius de rat contrad inaeundae pag. 24. Doth verisie this discentiō in so much that the Lutherans in their bookes published doe condemne the Churches of Ingland France Scotland Szuitzerland as Heretickes Lykewyse in his Epitome colloq Malbrug an 1564. pag. 82. discouering the Zuinglians who clame vnitie and fraternall peace with the Lutherans saying that the Zuinglians wryte that they account themselues bretheren with vs it is an impudent lye and vainely forged by them that we cannot sufficiently admire their impudency for we account them Hereticks not in the Church of God farrelesse to repute them our bretheren whom we finde transported with the spirit of falshood and to be contumelious to the sonne of God Againe Schluss in Theol. Cal. lib. 3. cap. 6. sayes that the Caluinistes would account vs Lutherans as their bretheren whom notwithstanding they condemne as Hereticks This discord Iezler Zuinglio Caluinist lib. de diuturnit bell● euch pag. 25. 80. Discoueres more at length saying there is no end of chiding writting accusing disputing condēning and excommunicating one another betwixt the Lutherans and Caluinistes To the same effect sayes Schluss lib. 2. art 15. Theol. cal That it is most cleare no definition eyther of generall or particular counsel is expected for vnity in religiō because it is impossible to thē to agree in matters of religion except the great day of the Lord hastē and close vp this variance Lykewyse Carlil in his book how Christ descended into Hell affirmes their vnity is to wrest the Scriptures from their right sense and to showe themselues to loue darknes more then the light Whereupon Cal. in praf non test gall 1567. I confesse sayth he that Sathan hath gained more by these new Gospellers then was in popery by keeping the word from the people Is not this the vnitie of these professors of disco●d Schisme and variable opiniōs as Greg. maior in orat de conf dogm The Papistes saies he doe obiect the scandalls and discordes which are amongst vs I confesse they are greater then can be deplored with any teares I confesse the weake myndes of many to be so troubled thereby that they haue begun to doubt wher the truth is or whether there be any Church of God or no. Lykewyse Chytreus in thema deprau Aug. conf The Euangelicall Doctors are more barbarous and lyk cruell beastes contending among themselues then barbarous souldiours Lykewyse Nil Selueccerus sayth that the professors of the Ghospel are loathsome to the world their chayrs pulpites and seates begunne to displease all men in which no other doctrine is heard then venemous debates contentions and varieties of opinions For as says Vigand lib. de errorib maior It is neyther woll nor flax that they contend about but the very capitall pointes of Christian doctrine vntil the great day of the Lord they shall neuer better agree Therefore for conclusion no vnity in heresie but this vnity is in the Catholicke Church because the multitude of belieuers are of one hart In conclusion no vnity is in haeresie As the Catholicke Church is one so is vnity and loue in her One is the Church and in vnity for diuerse reasōs and one mynd Therefore our Roman Catholik Church is that one and keepes vnitie that same with the Churches which are from the primitiue tymes which may easely appeare by the profession of our faith and in the circumstāces of all former antiquitie which also remaines one and in keeping vnity in the continuall succession of the selfe visible head not in nomber but by successiue succession and moreouer it is
whosoeuer is separated frō this bowels of the Church of necessity he must speake false I say of necessity he must speake false who eyther would not be conceaued or eyther of the mother is made abortiue being once conceaued Which Church Serm ad Catachum cap. 20. He calleth a true mother a godly mother a chast spouse garnished with the dignitye and riches of hir husband not in outward showe by lying deceipt but in veritie which cannot erre And if the prelates of the Church may err consequently the whole Church may err for the people are bound to follow their pastors Mat. 23. v. 3. from whence then is the protestants Church seing the Church is inuisible and hath erred c. OBIECTION IT is written say they the kingdome of God shall not come with obseruation Luc 17 neither shall they say behold here or behold there Luc. 17 v. 21 Therfore the Church which is thè kingdome of God is inuisible and may not be seen ANSVVER IN the same chapter answer is made saying behold the kingdome of God is within yow or amonge yow for in the obiection Christ repelles the vaine opinion of the Pharisies who thought the kingdome of God to haue his beginninge with obseruation of worldly pompe with triumph and publique coronation after the maner of worldly princes makeing his residence in a certaine place of the kingdome He answers them that the Messias shall not reigne that maner of way but in such maner as he hathe begunne to wit in the hartes of men and in his church which then consisted in his Apostles and disciples which in another place he verifieth saying Blissed are the poore in spirit for theirs is the kingdome of God Luc. 6. v. 20. as though he would say yow ar members of the kingdome of God with peace without worldly tumultes and triumphes from which the riche Pharisies are far of Lykewyse S. Pet. 1. epi. cap. 2. v. 5. sayes The Church is a spirituall house to wit not according to the inuisible substance as angells or soules c. Neither sayes he that the Churche consisteth of grosse materialls but of consecrated and sanctified men to God vnited in one body and mynd as was the multitud of belieuers in the dayes of the Apostles OBIECTION Yow haue not come to the mount that may not be touched and to the burninge fyre Hebr. 12. v. 18. 22. But yow haue come to the mount Sion the citie of the liuing God Therfore the Church is not visible for that the citie of the liueing God is not visible ANSVVER THe Apostle in this place denyeth not the visibilitye of the Church but discrybes the beautie of the triumphant Church in calling it heauenly Ierusalem vnto which it is sayd the faithfull haue to approche by faith and hope not that there are two Churches seing that it is all one but builded with diuerse estates to wit perfect and imperfyt vnto which perfection the militant doth labour in faith and hope whill she come to that beauties ende which is descrybed in heauen OBIECTION THose thinges which are belieued ar not seen but in the Creed VVe belieue the holy Catholik Church and therfor the Church being belieued is inuisible ANSVVER MAny things are belieued which notwithstanding are seen as Christ was seen with mans eyes and yet he is belieued the Messias and God and this he proues him self Iohan. 20. v. 29. saying Because thou hast seen me Thomas thou hast belieued ergo Christ was seen and belieued Lykewise in baptisme we see water and the application there of with the prolation of wordes and yet notwithstāding the vertue of the Sacramēt which we see not is effected which is that original synne is takē away iustifying grace is infused a character is impressed in the soule none of these are seen and yet faith belieues them for in all these things there is some things seen and other things belieued euen so in the Church we see with our eyes a company of men professing themselfes Christianes vnder the gouernment of a head but that that company is the very trew Church of Christ we belieue so that some things are seen and some things belieued Is therfore the article of our beliefe to be abolished and to say I see and suppose the Catholik Church and deny to say I belieue the Catholik Church this article conteineth many things more proper to faithe then reason because we see not the elect neither do we know them and yet we firmly belieue them to be in this company as lykewise we belieue this company and Church to be ruled of the holy ghost and yet we see him not and to be without error the piller and ground of veritie and in this Church only to be remission of synnes iustification the infusion of grace hope of eternall lyf the holy scripture and hir true interpretation dispensation of the Sacramentes and the true preaching of Gods word and out of this company and holy Church no mortall man can attain to the fauor of God or eternall saluation all these ar belieued and ar not seen nor known ergo the Church is visible OBIECTION ADam and Eua haue synned therefor the whole visible Church which consisteth in these two persones hath failled and erred Ergo ANSVVER ADam and Eua were not the Church but hir begining neither erred they in teachinge of false doctrine but as priuat persones doing euill or thinking euill OBIECTION IN the tyme of Isai and other Prophetes of the old Testament it appeared to haue failled for Isai sayes 1. cap. v. 3. That Israel hath not known me and in the 6. v. he sayes that from the soale of the foote to the crown of the head there is no whole place Lykewise Hier. 2. v. 29. Ye haue left me sayth the Lord. Et Psal 13. v. 3. All haue declyned and are made altogether vnprofitable there is not one who doth good there is not one VVherupon we gather both the Church to be inuisible and to haue erred ANSVVER ALbeit the whole Church of the Iewes in the tyme of Elias or at any other tyme hath failed which I graunt not notwithstāding it follow not that the Church of Christ hath failed because the Synagoge was not an vniuersall company of Gods peopl but a particular in which were many who liued holy and erred not as Melchisedech Iob Cornelius Centurio the queene of Candies Enuch and all these were found both righteous and faithfull Morouer the Prophet speaketh after the maner of Scripture by reason of the multitude of the wicked which speach passeth as an vniuersal signe how beit in truth all are not such for the mynd of the Prophet is no maner of way to affirme that all men haue falne from God absolutly but such as deny the diuyne prouidence of God saying there is no God and to be none who doth good notwithstanding a little after he declaires some to be good whom he calleth the people of God poor Iacob and Israell and