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A81459 Dictated thoughts upon the Presbyterians late petitions for compleat and universall power (in divine ordinances) to be conferred upon the presbyters by humane authority. 1646 (1646) Wing D1413; Thomason 669.f.10[48]; ESTC R204497 9,153 1

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did set themselves to do the work which Christ had sent them about and do remain through the power of God unto this present day executing the Ecclesiasticall and Ministeriall power of the Gospel though contrary to the decrees of men And it is not the want of setling Church goverment which causeth so many herisies which they speak of Herisies do arise that those who are approved may be made manifest amongst us 1 Cor. 11. 19 convincing the sinfull sects with sound positions and not with satanicall persecutions which will neither provoke them to good nor deter them from evil peoples persecuting them with the sword and not convincing them by the word hath hardned their hearts and made them to blesse themselves in their own seducing waies supposing them to be the persecuted waies of God and all men as they do perceive this Presbyterian way to be a persecuting way do endeavour to draw back their shoulders and stand a far off and beware of such an envious monster that will suffer no man to dwell peaceably by him in the world unlesse they be of the same Religion with him yea by this means some precious truths of Christ taught by the Presbyterians are by some not credited but suspected by othersome exceedingly contemn'd as falshood because handed by persecuting sensuall spirits whereas if these would content themselves with the gift of God not tormenting but admonishing such by the Scriptures in the spirit of meeknes without ranker malice envie evil speeches or rigorous actions the deceived would be undeceived Heriticks may be converted and herisies suppressed though as damnable and dangerous as these their positions are false and scandalous But these Presbyterians taking it for granted that Church government is not setled to this day They conclude saying that hence many abhominable errors and damnable herisies are broached amongst us without controul without controul say they Hereby it appeareth they would have power from the civil magistrate to controul as if the word were not a sufficient weapon but suppose the blind Presbyters were all made controulers they had need of good spectacles to discern who to controul least they controul truth insteed of error and controul their betters who excell them in wisdom piety and honesty Their armes must be long and strong lest they in controuling of others are controuled themselves and their own weapons fly in their own faces O old malice the feeder of faction and breeder of division that dost so eye and envie the sweet unity harmony fidelity and victory of the English Armies under the command of the Parliament when wilt thou come to an end Thy forefathers the blood-thirsty Bishops and their sharking shavelings would never be quiet till they were insnared as they are in the vain works of their own hands surely as they did so dost thou and as they are so shalt thou be The precious truths which Iesus Christ hath sealed with his blood are trampled under foot by thy children thy servants prophane the pure and holy ordinances of Christ Is there any of these presbyters that do not polute prophane and trample under foot Christs precious truths are they not their own witnesses against themselves who have cast down the Bishops and are set in their seats build up superstitiously what before they puld down cast down the Prelates callings as Antichristian yet from them do they derive their ordination who have it from the Pope of Rome that second beast mentioned Rev. 13. 11. which rose up out of the earth having 2. horns like the Lambe but speaking as the dragon And hence I beleeve the ordinances of Christ are wofully profaned by persons grosly ignorant and scandalous and also by persons of knowledge that do not walk up to their light for the Presbyterians have had time enough and have not yet excomunicated their prophane comunicants nor separated themselves from them but have their children baptized by and receive the Supper from such who are scandalous in their callings time-serving popelings wandring stars Antichristian Priests who have no calling to the work of the ministry more then Ieroboams priests They say multitudes of unstable soules have fallen off But from whence not from the Church of Christ but from the Church of England in which they were before unstable but not the more for falling off therefrom And if any one maintain strange Sects as they speak It is not the Separates for they withstand them all and particularly the sect of blasphemous persecuting treacherous Presbyterians and will not pray with them much lesse suffer them to be incorporated into their separated Assemblies unlesse they renounce their erronious opinions and therefore these Presbyterians charge the separates falsly neither do they set up illirerate persons to be their Pastors but such that the meanest of them is able to confound the greatest popish Presbyter in the world and that by sound arguments from Scripture without carnall weapons And though thy manage their meetings with boldnes because they are righteous and confide in those who are called Gods and children of the most High Psal 86. 2. yet they are far from insolency as these insolent Presbyterians lyingly speak and furthest of all from contempt of all authority for they acknowledge authority knowing it is the ordinance of God and therefore they will not resist the higher powers but protect them with their lives and estates as is apparant to this day but the Pope conceiveth that all power is given unto him and that therefore whosoever he be whether magistrate or other that contemns his authority he contemns all authority even so say the Presbyterians in contempt of all authority to the disturbance of the City every one doing that which is right in his own eyes and there is no course to reclaim them all which accusations are notorious false for the separates bring not the least disturbance in the City but it is Demetrius and his craftsmen who incite the rude multitude to disturbe them at their meetings to the danger of their lives And if any transgresse the second table of Gods law it being made known to the magistrate he hath power immediatly to punish him as it is meet according to the law And those that transgresse the first table of Gods law means is used by the ministers of the Gospel to reclaim them also by the spirituall sword of Gods word which is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousnes 1 Tim. 3. 16. whether they be none-Churchers omni Churchers Anabaptists the sect of the Libertines prophane Presbyterians Heathens Iewes Turks Papists or any sect under heaven And if any of all these rebell against the rules of morality the magistrate without the minister hath power to punish him according to his offence and the minister without the magistrate may and doth use the spirituall power which the Lord hath given him to perswade the Conscience and therefore these Presbyterians in saying that every one doth that which is