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A30543 Something of truth made manifest (in relation to a dispute at Draton in the county of Middlesex in the first moneth last) in opposition to the false account given of it by one Philip Traverner, in his book styled the Quakers-rounds, or, A faithfull account, &c. / and this is written ... by E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1658 (1658) Wing B6026; ESTC R22012 18,268 26

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consequences from such upright words But farther he goes on and hath transcribed more of my words as Christ Iesus the Son of God is the light and life of the world and hath inlightned all mankind that comes into the world with the true light c. Now saith he how doth these agree with mans state in the first Adam in transgression is a state of perfect enmity and death raigns in every man he is possessed with blindness and unbelief c. I say these do very well agree and they are both true for death raigns in every man and he is in unbelief and ignorance and in a state of perfect enmity against God as he is in the first Adam yet Christ hath lightned him and the light of Christ shines in darkness in him and the darkness comprehends it not he is inlightned that he may be changed from death to life and from ignorance to knowledge and though he walk in darkness and be in blindness and in a state of enmity it is because he doth not walk and believe in the light which Christ hath lightned him withal and in my words there is no disagreement nor contradiction the darkness is in his own mind who cannot comprehend the light nor the words that proceed from it Further he questions upon my words of having the witness in themselves of being restored again First whether none are restored again but such as have the witness in themselves I answer all that are restored again and doth believe hath the witness in themselves and none doth believe nor are restored but they have the witness of it Secondly he queries whether all are restored but some want the witness in themselves I answer All are not restored nor doth believe and such wants the witness in themselves that are not restored to God but them that are restored wants it not And again he queries whether the light which is in all is sufficient without any thing further of grace super-added to bring up every man to believe in Christ c I answer The light which every man is lightned withal by Christ is sufficient to bring up every man to believe in Christ that loves the light and walks in it and unto such is grace added and increased daily for as every man improves the measure of the gift of God so it is increased the light is increased grace is increased faith is increased but still the light of Christ in it self is sufficient Again from my words to wit the spirit is given to be the guide and rule of life to the children of God from whence he queries whether the spirit is so given to be the guide and rule of life to the Saints that they have no more need to attend upon the Scriptures I answer It is promised that the spirit shall lead into all truth and such doth own the Scriptures but not as their teacher for the anointing dwells in them and they need no man to teach them but as that anointing teacheth all things and they have no need of the Scripture to teach them for all the children of God are taught of God and needs not any other teacher nor needs not to say one to another know the Lord and yet all such doth own the Scriptures to be the testimony of that which they believe and have received Again from my words to wit the light of Christ in every one shall give testimony to the truth of what I spake unto which I do commend my self from this he queries can these be witnesses to me and of the truth in me who are ignorant of the life and power of the Creator c. who are following the counsel of their own hearts which are evil c I answer Yes the light of Christ in such shall judge one day and to it I commend my self and by it one day shall be approved though now the wicked hate the light yet doth it witness against them and for us that we are of God though its true they cannot judge between light and darkness between truth and error yet the light in them which shines in their darkness doth judge and put a difference and when the book of conscience is opened it shall justifie us and condemn our enemies Again he queries whether I make the Holy Ghost and the eternal Spirit two I answer no they are one neither do I seem to make them two it is want of knowledge in him who cannot understand but raiseth objections where there is no cause Again from my words this is acceptable and well-pleasing to God above all words and outward conformity c. from this he questions whether the doing the greater things of the Law is acceptable where the less are neglected I answer No for every tittle of the Law less and greater must be fulfilled by Christ in us in whom we are accepted and thus I have returned a few words to the consideration of people and particularly the people of Draton and the Country thereabouts to whom I direct my speech thus All ye people who are scattered as sheep without a Shepherd and knows not Christ the everlasting shepherd to lead you to rule you cease oh cease from all your teachers without you who are dumb shepherds which doth not gather you to God such are they that preach for hire and devine for money and that takes gifts and rewards for preaching who through covetousness by feigned words doth make merchandise of souls such do keep you always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth under their teachings your souls are starved under them and you perish for want of true knowledge and death raigns amongst you and many are in the broad way that leads to destruction but few in the strait way that leads to life and iniquity and wickedness abounds amongst you and like teachers like people for from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness Jer. 6. 13. great ignorance hath blinded your minds and great darkness is over your hearts and your teachers doth deceive you and they cause you to erre and you give your money for that which is not bread and your labour for that which doth not profit even as the people of Israel did so do you and in their transgressions do you walk and your teachers are in the steps of the Pharisees they are called of men Master as the Pharisees were they stand praying in the Synagogues and Temples as the Pharisees did and they have the chief seats in the Assemblies as the Pharisees had and they even shut the kingdom of heaven against men as the Pharisees did and will not enter in themselves nor suffer them that would cease from all your outward Priests and hearken to the voice of the Lord which breaks down that nature which is contrary to God and raiseth up the seed which is heir of Gods kingdom turns your minds to the light
deny them as coming from him but as to the substance of some of the particulars I did own having laid them down according to my own honest meaning in my own found expression of words and thereupon I engaged a dispute upon the particulars having first denied them as laid down by him and in his corrupt expressions and then owned them in the simplicity in the words as by me uttered I mean some of them but some I altogether denied And as to speak of that Text Ioh. 5. 39. by which sayest thou I endeavoured to skin over what I spoke but to no punpose I do deny thy words for that same verse shal stand a witness for me and against thee in all the world and that verse shall prove that some of the Scriptures were spoken to the world and not to the Saints and the truth it self is my covering and I need no other thing to skin over as thou scornfully spakest And whereas thou sayest There was just matter of reproof in the dispute in both parties c. Answ. While thou hast condemned others thou hast judged thy self who was of the one party a strong contender for the Priests party and having now accused both parties would clear thy self to be of neither but cannot for it is known that thou didst take their part and in the title thou sayest the discourse was betwixt a party of them called Quakers with Mr. Philip T. c. where thou dost own thy self to be one and reckons thy self the formost Master of the Disputants and now upon better consideration I think when thou hast searched into their folly with whom thou wast joined thou wouldst absent thy self to be none of them but a third party but let me tell thee what disorder prejudice and passion as thou speaks of as was amongst the Priests thou hast a part in and must own their sin and their condemnation for thou art also guilty and that there was any passion except pure zeal for God and his truth which thou mightest falsely so call or prejudice or such like amongst us I db deny it and knows thee to have born a false testimony and all thy covers as if thou wert a moderator or the like in thy speaking will not hide thee nor cover thee from what I have said of thee But as to the things in particular I now come and may shew what my words are and the ground of them and how I laid them down and upon what occasion in the first meeting whereupon the Dispute did arise and I do not here go about to give a perfect relation of that Dispute for my memory hath not contained what passed but as to the intent and meaning of my words I would give all the true knowledge thereof and how far I do own the particulars charged against me First as to that The Scriptures are not the word of God because the Devil spoke something and Pharoah something which is there written Answ. There is some truth in this but my words were drawn up by him at the shortest and the most for his own advantage laid down by him for I do remember that in the first meeting I was a speaking concerning the Word of God and concerning the Scriptures which are a declaration thereof and shewing the difference betwixt the Word and the Letter and Scriptures for the Word of God was in the beginning and the world was made by it and it endures for ever but the Scriptures were not in the beginning for Moses was the first that wrote any thing of the Scripture who was long after the beginning neither was the world made by them neither can they endure for ever and therefore the letter the Scriptures are not the Word of God which the Scriptures call the Word for also in the Scriptures are written what the Devil spoke and what Pharoah and other wicked men spoke and therefore they are not the Word of God but as I have said a declaration of the Word and what is written of is the Word but the Scriptures the writings are not but a testimony and declaration of the Word much more as to this might be said and was spoken by me at the meeting which is not particularly related and this is sufficient to any honest man that is spiritual who hath an understanding to judge hereof Now I suppose themselves none of them are so ignorant as they will say the Scriptures are that Word which was in the beginning and which shall endure for ever but say they the Scriptures are another Word a declarative Word or such like terms now when we dispute or contend with any about the Word of God we dispute what that Word is which the Scripture saith is the Word and doth deny that Word to be the Scriptures writings though still we do own the Scriptures a declaration of that very Word of God and that the Scriptures in any place doth call themselves the Word or signifie so much I do deny it and it is left for any of our opposers to prove it that can if they do I will confess it to be the Word and revoke all that I have spoken to the contrary And as for thy deductions and consequences drawn from my words I do deny them for they are not to me but will turn upon thy self for thou sayest A strange kind of assertion as if nothing of the mind will and councel of God were declared in Scripture and whitherto can be the tendency of such giddy doctrines then to a weakening the authority of the Scriptures and begetting slightings and undervaluing thoughts and that the effects may be lightly esteeming the Scriptures These and such deductions hast thou drawn through thy ignorance from my words from all which I am clear as having no intent to any such things nor any intent but to testifie the pure innocent truth and thy deductions are far more ignorant and impudent then my assertion is strange and let thy consequences be what they will from my words the truth of my words will justifie me in the sight of God and his Saints for I do honour the Scriptures above other writings and gives them the authority and esteem and respect due unto them and more I dare not And some of thy pages I pass over as not worth taking notice of onely doth say thou hast wronged me in not relating so much as was spoken by us by far and in relating more then was spoken by thee or thy party And the next thing I note is this where R G. said he would and went about to prove that the Letter is the Word of God but was not nor is never able to prove and thou hast changed the words of his argument in thy relation from what they were as he laid them down in the dispute from called to owned For thus his words were laid down at that time said he That which Christ and the Apostles called the Word of God is indeed the Word