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B04736	Quakerism the mystery of iniquity discovered in a brief dialogue between a Christian & a Quaker: By way of supplement to my former papers exhibited in Dublin against them, in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them; viz. the holy Scriptures, and our Lord Jesus Christ; in which it doth most evidently appear, that both are denied by them, in a true, Christian, and proper sense. / By John Plimpton.	Plimpton, John, fl. 1698.	1698 (1698)	Wing P2572; ESTC R181887	11,478	32

the authority of men or upon their own authority both the latter are absurd in your eyes therefore the former only is true Not from men nor tradition for thou sayest that is Popery and believing as the Church believes ibid. p. 142. again thou queriest p. 140 141. How shall I be assured the Scriptures came from God I am bound to try all things then them among the rest I would fain know what I must try them with with the Scriptures then the Scriptures must be the rule of my examination and Faith concerning themselves which is improper W. Pen hast thou not here reprobated the Scriptures with a witness certainly you are the most prodigious Hereticks and Imposters that ever any age did produce Qu. Whether the first Penman of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes or whether both these are not one or whether there are not many words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by inspiration of the holy Spirit whether some words were not spoken by the grand Imposter some by wicked men some by wise men ill applied some by good men ill expressed some by false Prophets and yet true some by true Prophets and yet false Quakers Refuge p. 17. Chr. Well if it be thus then whether it is not dangerous to receive the Scriptures any further then they agree with the Light within and if Moses and Hermes be both one then whether thy query be not frivolous if not then whether the first with all the rest of thy queries be not very mischievous having this natural tendency to prejudice the weak Reader And so these things being taken collectively Whether 1st thou wouldst not throw aside a great part of the holy Scripture as doubtful particularly the Books of Moses 2. Whether thou wouldst not have some part to be diabolical 3. Some part false 4. Some part foolish both in expression and application 5. And some part little to be regarded though true beeause spoken by Lyars 6. Some part spoken by inspiration and yet of no Authority because false and so no part of it the true Record or Declaration of God's Love for the Salvation of Mankind for that or nothing is the implication of thy distinctions but what further hast thou to say Qu. Though we do say men ought to live up to those holy rules contained in the Scipture yet the reason why is that conviction they meet with from the Light in their own Consciences therefore the Light within is both our warrant for saith in and obedience to them Reason against rail pag. 48. Chr. Certainly thou W. Pen art a shameless man thou dost not care what thou dost affirm or deny so it may serve for thy Interest but if thou hast any shame in thee I will make thee asham'd Didst thou not affirm in pag. 47. that the greatest reason of your belief concerning the Prophesies and Promises recorded in the Scriptures was not from any outward thing but that inward testimony that you have received from the holy Light within you to the truth and faithfulness of those sayings And now W. P. after thou hadst writ all this and much more that might be minded thou hast charg'd T. H. with forgery because he charg'd the Quakers with the truth certainly thou must be an Athiest or a Person given up to a reprobate mind or else thou couldst not remain Impenitent as 't is evident thou dost by those Papers thou hast set forth of late Oh! W. Pen repent if thy day of grace be not over But since thou hast so much favour for the Scriptures as to receive them so far as they agree with the Light within pray tell me whether you do not esteem your own words as spoken immediately by the Spirit to be of greater authority then any Chapter in the Bible Qu. That which was spoken from the Spirit of truth in any is of as great authority as the Scriptures or Chapters are and greater G. W. Apol. pag. 49. Chr. But how can that which is spoken by a Quaker supposing though not granting to be from the Spirit of truth be of greater authority then that which the holy Spirit hath spoken in the Scriptures but since you exalt your words to be above the Scriptures pray what do you think of your writings Qu. Fox and Hubberth●rne in a Book of theirs called Truths Defence pag. 2. in answer to Parson Comelford of Stavely Chappel the Auth●●●aving sent some queries to the P … who instead of swering them burned them thereupon he tells the Parson the said Book and page that he might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fire to be burned as his queries he sent him or that he might as well have said the saying of Christ and his Apostles were absur'd as his queries they meaning his Queries being given forth by the same Spirit c. Chr. Certainly these are great swelling words of Vanity if you propound queries to any they must be estemed equal with the Scriptures but if any propound queries to you they must be doom'd as conjured up in the black Art out of the bottomless pit that they are the Language of a white devil propounded in the subtilty of unclean wisdom only to carp cavil and to insnare the innocent Certainly were you such innocent Persons as you pretend to be you would never exalt your selves and debase all others nay you would not exalt your own words and writings above nor equal with the Scriptures But since you thus under-value the Scriptures don't you believe them to be the true sayings of God Qu. I have told thee before that some were spoken by false Prophets and yet true and some by true Prophets and yet false And Samuel Fisher in his rustick alarm to the Rabies tells thee that they are false and falsified both Transcripts and Translations yea that none of them are right Chr. Certainly you are vile wretches the very prodigy of the times we live in for should any wise man read and consider well what you have written he must needs conclude that you have conspir'd together to under-value the Scriptures and to expose them to the greatest scorn and contempt in the world But what saith W. Pen to this Qu. If the Scriptures are the rule they are so either in their Original or Copies if in their Original that is not extant then no rule in being for the last of it that was extant Was John's History at Ephesus not seen these thousand years if the Copies must be the rule it were to be wished we knew which were the rightest to the Original there being above thirty in number this is undetermined and for ought we see indeterminable and that which makes good what I say are the variety of readings among those Copies amounting to several thousands and if the Copies cannot how can the Translations be the rule so d●ffering from the true sence of the Copies in many things and from another besides I would fain know of ●hose

Quakerism The Mystery of INIQUITY Discovered In a Brief DIALOGUE Between A Christian a Quaker By way of Supplement To my former Papers Exhibited in DVBLIN against them in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them Viz. The Holy Scriptures and our Lord Jesus Christ in which it doth most evidently appear that both are denied by them in a true Christian and proper sense By John Plimpton DVBLIN Printed 1698. Reader I Shall here present thee with this ensuing Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker In which are faithfully represented the Quakers Opinions concerning the Holy Scriptures and our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ I doubt not but it will be return'd as forgeries and fictions upon my own head the common answer they have for all their Adversaries But I am conscious to my self that I have not wrong'd them in any thing either by mis-reading curtailing mis-construing or mis-applying any passage I have quoted out of their Books I am willing therefore to appear in publick that so these things may be more fully clearly and plainly discovered and laid open for common benefit and for examination of my charges to see if I have wrong'd them or not But this you see they wholly decline and their reason is because I am an ignorant conceited and empty person and therefore they think themselves not accountable for these things unto a person under my circumstance c. but certainly this is but a Quakers Quibble as all men may plainly discern for if they think themselves not oblig'd to meet me in publick why do they so much concern themselves in Printing one Pamphlet after another and to exhibit the same up and down privately is it not to cover over their deceit and wickedness and to insinuate upon peoples minds that they are better in their Opinions than really they are Now to the end I might not be burthensome to my self in writing nor to the Reader in reading I shall only insist upon these two things before mentioned for if the true Christ be denied by them then is Satisfaction Justification Baptism and the Lord's Supper and all other things clearly gone the foundation being destroyed the house must of necessity fall Now I do affirm Christ and the Scriptures are divided by them and therefore all they say of them is but meer Equivocations and the Quakers Ministry are but meer Imposters and Cheats Consider well what thou readest and the Lord give thee understanding If God shall have any glory and thou shalt receive any benefit I have my end J. P. A BRIEF DIALOGUE Between A CHRISTIAN a Quaker Christian VVEll met Neighbour I would fain have some Discourse with you for I have read in several of your Adversaries Books that you hold dangerous Errors asserting those things that are notoriously false and denying those things that are really true and more particularly the holy Scriptures and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ What sayest thou to this Quaker I have told thee strainings perversions and false inferences are the frequent practice of our Adversaries the Qua. a Christian p. 3. Chr. I know this is your common answer but whether it be true I question What sayest thou therefore to the Scriptures Qu. I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written ibid. p. 9. Chr. What is this to the purpose I know thou canst use a thousand such Equivocations But tell me plainly are the Scriptures the rule of Faith and Practice or not Qu. Because we deny the Scriptures to be the rule of Faith and Practice in honour to that divine light that gave them forth ibid. p. 15. Chr. Wilt thou confess my charges and yet think to prove thy self a Christian and render my Impeachment as vain certainly thou art infatuated or worse otherwise thou would'st never talk at such a vain rate and render thy self such a ridiculous Scribler to all the world Qu. Thou hast left out what follows viz. which was the Author of them in the holy Pen-men that we should therefore deny all those holy precepts commandments and rules relating to life and godliness that are therein contained If thou had'st cited this thou had'st lost thy end as not doing it shews thy malice and folly together ibid. Chr. Thou hast absolutely denied them to be the rule of Faith and Practice and yet in the same breath would'st have me believe that thou do'st own those holy precepts commandments and rules relating to life and godliness therein contained Is not this to say they are not to be believed nor practiced and yet to say they ought to be believed and practiced and is not this heterodox or are we to own that for precepts commandments and rules which we are not to believe which is absurd But since you seem to own the Scriptures in some sense do you own them to be the true sayings of God Qu. Yea so far as they agree to the Light within Chr. 'T is evident what esteem you have of the Scriptures since you own these holy precepts commandments and rules therein contained no farther than the Light within directs you Qu. I have told thee this is forgery palpable forgery Count. Christ p. 11. Chr. I know you are ready to accuse me of forgery but pray tell me how far you do own and receive them Qu. By what rule shall we be convinced that the Scripture is the only rule of Life and hath this eminency above the Spirit we own the Spirit to be the only rule and guide into all truth and is the only rule now to understand the Scriptures G. W. Apol. p. 48. Chr. Thou queriest here by what rule thou mayest be convinced that the Scriptures are the only rule Hence 't is evident thou dost not own them so to be and then sayest the Spirit is the only rule to guide into all truth and to understand the Scriptures by is not 〈◊〉 to grant what is charg'd upon you viz. that you deny them to be the ●ule of Faith and Practice and that you own them no further man they agree with the Light within Qu. I would fain know of those of our present age upon what foot they receive them into this place and authority is it by tradition or revelation I mean the internal testimony of the Spirit or the external award and avouchment of men if the former they unavoidably come over to us for then the Spirit will and must be both rule and judge W. Pen Christian Quaker p. 141. Chr. Then the reason why men ought to live up to those holy rules laid down in the Scriptures is not from that divine authority that is imposed upon them men are no further obliged either to Faith or Obedience than the Light within moves them thereunto c. The Scriptures must be receiv'd upon the authority of the Light within or upon