1 Tim. 3. which saith If you cannot rule your own Family how can you take care for the Church of God Henry Foreside Priest of the Parish of Lingee in Dunbarton-shire said in his Preaching to the People Pr. IF they had any Christian zeal they would stone them whom they call Quakers Answ It is the blind zeal that stones not the Christian zeale that have the life of Christ for the Christian zeal is to pray for them that persecute Mat. 5.44 and not to stone them and to love enemies it was the Jewes zeal that took up stones to stone Christ John 8.59 they stoned Steven Acts 7.5 8. and stoned the Apostles Acts 14.19 In this the Presbyterians have proved their Christianity to be out of Christ and the Apostles Pr. If Paul and the rest of the Apostles had been alive they would have stoned the Quakers Answ Here all may see his work to be the envious man in Cains way Jude 11. who would murther and wrongs the Apostle who never taught nor intended any such doctrine but said Overcome evil with good Rom. 12.21 and love bears all things 1 Cor. 13.7 Now see whose Minister this man is that cannot bear but would have them stoned and would have the Apostle as bad as himself which Apostle said Christ was his example who laid down his life for his enemies Rom. 5.8 who suffered the contradiction of sinners we will render evill to no man but say the contrary the Lord Jesus forgive them Luke 23.34 and the Apostle said they wrestled not against flesh and blood Ephesians 6.12 but them and you that stone do ye not wrestle against flesh and blood But if the Apostles would have stoned would they not have wrestled against flesh and Blood And if the Apostles should have stoned all that were contrary to their mindes and bidding the people stone them and told them it was Christian zeal what work would they have made as the said Henry Foreside called Minister doth where would have been long suffering Gal. 5.22 and loving enemies Mat. 5.44 and where would he have had any to have converted and who would have been persecutors and who would have prayed for persecutors ye may see what a pit ye are fallen into and how should they have convinced gain-sayers Tit. 1.9 and loved them whem they had stoned them And this is the Presbyterians zeal of Scotland and not Christian zeal who would stone and stir up his congregation to do so for Christ who is clothed with zeal Isa 59.17 said Love your Enemies but ye are cloathed with madness and folly And the Apostle that was in his zeal according to knowledge said Overcome evil with good Rom. 12.21 amd vengeance is the Lords and he will repay it Rom. 12.19 and love bears all things but his blind zeal cannot bear any thing but cryes stone them out of the way and so wickedly and devilishly calls it Christian zeal which is false that is the Devils zeal Now the Apostles wrestled not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness Eph. 6.12 but the Presbyterians called Ministers are striking against flesh and blood whilst ye would stone them whilst that time spirituall wickednesse lies within you So ye Presbyterian-Priests are as a troop of robbers that would murther in the way by consent Hos 6.9 James Dorram called Minister of Glascow his Principles Pr. THat the believers even the reall godly are not without sin in this life Ans Here is one that is charging the elect and laying sin to the elect that God justifies Rom. 8.33 that in the godly there should be sin Sin is out of the godly in the ungodly which turne the grace of God into wantonness and and what good doth his preaching doe them if they must never be without sin whilst they are upon earth they can be but in their sin if they never preach to them But the Scripture saith He that believes is borne of God and he that is borne of God cannot sin because his seed remaines in him 1 Iohn 3.9 But this is of another world to him who is called James Dorram Minister of Glasgow Minister of darknesse who puts no difference betwen the children of God and the children of the Devill 1 Iohn 3.10 They would have sin whilst they are upon the earth and it is darknesse but the Apostles said they were made free from sin Rom. 6.22 whilst they were upon the earth Pr. Christ being sinlesse seperates him from all others Answ Christ being separated from sinners Heb. 7.26 who are in Christ are separated from sinners and sin both 2 Cor. 6.17 But this Ja Dorram hath made the offering of none effect Heb. 10.14 which hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified And hath made the blood of Jesus of none effect which cleanseth from all sin 1 John 1.7 And he hath made the everlasting Covenant of none effect which blots out all sins trespasses And he hath made the faith of the Son of God of none effect which purifies the heart and gives victory over the world Acts 15.9 1 Ioh. 5.5 Thou dost herein preach hold up sin and doth not preach it down and yet thou saiest thou preachest not to hold it up and yet thou preachest they must have it whilst they are upon the earth here is confusion in thy tongue Pro. 17.20 Thou shouldst have preached it down and have brought them to a Church where there is neither spot nor wrinkle nor blemish nor any such thing Eph. 5.27 if thou were a true Minister but your Church is full of spots and blemishes and wrinkels whilst ye are preaching up zeal to stone people and sin while they live as Henry Foreside and James Dorram doth Pr. God be thanked the scripture speaks nothing for freedom from sin and perfection Answ Thou thankest God that thou maist live in thy sin and imperfection and art glad of thy false hope but thou art a lyar thou art out of the truth in this for the Scripture saith they were made free from sin Rom 6 26 and they preached wisdom among them that were perfect 1 Cor. 2 6 and he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10 14 So the scripture speakes of freedom from sin and perfection and be perfect Pr That the condemning power of sin is taken away Answ The believer doth not sin 1 Iohn 5 1 1 Iohn 3 9 but he that the believer overcomes commits sin 1 Io 3 8 and 1 Io 5 5 and if the believer commits sin who overcomes the believer and so he that commits sin is under the condemning power of sin which thou saist not which thou and all other shall witnesse Pr The believer is not in sin as the unbeliever is he sins not as the unbeliever doth and in an other place he saith the Law is the same to the believer that it is to the unbeliever Answ Here any may read thy confusion but I say unto thee he that believeth
Magistrates would grant them an order that none should receive them into their houses and that they might not have their liberty and their servants would be much refreshed who cry stone them let us have a Law against them and if the Laws were right they would chop off their heads and make them remove by club Law but how was these Priests the Magistrates servants at Dunbar Fight when they excommunicated and cursed their now being army and Magistracy but now they would be their servants if they would execute their wills upon the innocent Surely these things cannot but stinck to all Magistrates that feare God These are the servants and servers of the times that the Prophets calls inchanters Lev. 19.16 and for their own false ends ye can never read that the Apostles nor Christ did ever teach any such doctrine that the people should be stoned or have their heads choped off or driven away by clup Law which shewes you are Apostatates from the Apostacy and of the Jewish nature The Synod at Glasgow in the second moneth did ordain concerning these persons in Clidsdale formerly Excommunicated who are called Quakers that no other people in other parishes should bargain with them or suffer them to come within their houses or have entertainment for mony Upon which the people persecuted and stoned them haled them out of their houses in several places viz. Three of them people called Quakers were in the night time between the 10. and 11. hours drawn by force out of an Inne in the Town of New mills in Aire-shire and stoned out of the town into the Fields to shift for their lodging And others three severall times were beaten stoned and shamefully intreated and persecuted in Stravan And others at Lithmahaga And others shamefully abused in the Town of Kirkantillough And others stoned at Kilbride And others pitifully stoned beaten and abused and some blood shed at Glasford And at many other places much harme hath been done These be the Priests fruits the bloody Presbytery who would have them stoned and their heads chopped off some of the Magistrates did stop the people for abusing of them so that the Priests malice was not altogether satisfied Andrew Brown and John Lacock of Glasford were cast into prison for asking him a question when he was Catechising and admonished them when they were far absent and if they come before them they will cast them into prison this makes them peepers and mutterers to admonish them when they are not present and is this like to change them or do they intend to change them who admonish them when they are out of hearing and did Excommunicate them when they were in prison what an unhumanly part is this wicked develish envious and unchristian Ministry And John Hart went to a steeple house to here the Priests admonishment for the Priest said he would admonish him and he went to hear him and when he had admonished him he spake to him and bid him prove himself in the docrine of Christ and they who he admonished out of it and then give them a bill of divorsment but the Priests went to the Court and got a warrant from the Justice and so cast him into prison and when he was in prison Excommunicated him and said he disturbed him And here his devilish wicked art doctrine appears which shews him of Cains flock where is nothing but persecution murther and envious-slayers vagabonds cursed speakers that went on in the way of Balaam or Core that makes merchandize of the people through their covetousnesse and feigned words to the people And gives forth their Curses in their Congregations and all the people are to say Amen to them as followeth The Priests first Curse that all the people were to say Amen to Cursed be all they that say Grace is free and let all the people say Amen Answ ANd so they curse the Apostles and the Apostles doctrine and all that witnesse to it who said The free grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Tit. 2.11 and was the Saints Teacher these things the Apostles commanded to teach with all authority Tit. 2.15 but the ungodly men turn this grace of God into wantonness of old ordained for condemnation Ye are the raging waves of the Sea sending and foming out your own shame whose fruits wither neglecting the common salvation read Jude Ye are like to Sodom and Egypt clouds without water who run greedily after the wages of Balaam going on the way of Cain and shall perish in the gain-saying of Core and walking despitefully against the spirit of grace and they that turn the grace of God into wantonness denies the Lord that bought them 2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. Ye are the trees without fruit wells without water carried about with tempests cursed speakers teaching the people to say Amen to your cursing the Apostles doctrine and so willingly ignorant that your damnation may be just that your madness and folly might appear to all and so sensual having not the spirit waves of the Sea wandring stars received for darkness of blackness read Jude The grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Tit. 2.11 So that which brings salvation and hath appeared to all men ye curse that which is the grace of God which ye with your damnable doctrine and doctrine of Devils curse them that witness it 2 Pet. 2. 1 Tim. 4. upon whose consciences the hot Iron hath come hardned them that went to the doctrine of Devils went to them that did not hold forth the Saviour of all men but especiall them that beleeve 1 Tim. 4.10 These things command and teach let no man despise thy youth Now they that went to the doctrine of Devils from the Saviour of all men but especially them that believe and from the grace of God which hath appeared to all men which brings salvation are they which have turned the grace of God into wantonness ordained of old for condemnation which is the light Jude 4. Such be in Cains way from the command of God Cores way from the truth and Balaams way from the spirit those be the clouds and tempests upon whose heads comes the Woe The Priests second Curse which all the People were to say Amen to Cursed be all they that say the Scriptures is not the Word of God and let all the people say Amen Ans HEre they have cursed Luke who calls the Scripture a Declaration of the Word Luke 1.1 and Acts 1.1 where it is called a Treatise and they have cursed their own company who say the Scriptures signifies writings and they have cursed John who did not say the Scripture was the Word who said In the beginning was the Word Joh. 1.1 and the Scripture is words as Revel the last He that addeth to the words and Christ his name is called The Word of God Rev. 19.13 And the Scriptures are words not a word Exod. 20. and which words Christ
words 2 Tim. 3.5 and murthers them that enjoys their life and persecutes them The Devil abode not in the truth John 8.44 Adam and Eve abode not in the truth but transgressed Gen. 3. Cain abode not in the truth when he murdered Abel Gen. 4. The Jews abode not in the truth but crucified the just Jam. 5.6 The Antichrist and the false-Prophets since the daies of the Apostles and the Beast abode not in the truth 1 Iohn 2.19 that made the war against the Saints Rev. 13. And here is the murderers envious and persecutors warring and fighters and their sacrifice God never accepted Gen. 4.5 in all ages and these are them that persecuted those that was in the truth whose sacrifice God accepted to the witness of God in you all I speak that you may see your fall from the truth out of the Prophets life Christs life and the Apostles life so be out of the commands and fallen from God and say that none can keep the commandments that is the Word that shall stand for ever so ye are they that loves not not God Joh. 14.13 1 Joh. 2.4 but are of the Beast and false Prophets that makes war against them that keep the commands of God Rev. 22.11 so that which saith none can keep the Commandements is fallen out of the truth and the Commandments of God 1 Iohn 2.4 Ioh. 8.44 And to him the truth is death and the commands of God in which the Saints live to whom the Commandments are not grievous 1 Iohn 5.3 Thomas Garwine Priest of Edenborough his Doctrine and PRINCIPLES Pr. THat the Childe that is not sprinkled with outward water is in a damnable state and worse then an infidell Answ Now here he and the rest of the Presbyterian Priests of Scotland may say Abraham was in a damnable state Isaac was in adamnable state Jacob was in a damnable state and Joseph was in a damnable state and David was in a damnable state and John the Baptist was in a damnable state which were not sprinkled by a Priest with outward water nor named by the Priest so thou and you with your traditions that say a Child is in a damnable state if ye do not sprinkle it with water and the Apostle bids them not look at the things that are seen and you are in the damnable state and the damnable doctrine teachers of lies and many simple people have been deceived by you and given over to believe you but God hath taken the vail off their hearts that you begin to be seen and their salvation shall they know stands not in elements as though you with your sprinkling Infants with outward water could bring out of the damnable state Oh ye deceivers did not the Apostle say they that were Circumcised Christ profited them nothing Gal. 5.2 ye have long deceived people with your beggerly rudiments and elements and doctrines and traditions Col. 2. hatched up at Schools and never commanded of God and say if people will not observe your traditions or your elements which you call a Papist word Sacrament and perishing they not observing it are in a damnable state and worse then the Heathen and Infidels an Infidel is an Heathen one that knowes not God But your generation says it is blasphemy to say any hath known God and hath seen God and spoken to God so they themselves have concluded to be Heathen The Heathen know not God The Heathen observes traditions and they that know God cannot observe the traditions of the Heathen but obeys the Apostles doctrine and touches not tasts not nor handles the traditions of men and Ordinances which will perish so not saying so they that observe not traditions are not worse then Heathens but they that observe traditions are as the Heathens and be out of the Apostles doctrine in their own traditions and rudiments and are offended at those that will not touch them Robert Semple Priest of Lasmahagow came to George Weare of Saffield to reason with him and he laid down these following things for his doctrine and principles His first doctrine and principles was to prove the lawfulnesse of being called of men master standing praying in the Synagogues going in long Robes and he mentioned Ezras Pulpit of wood upon which he stood and read the Law to the people and for the rest he said nothing for his mouth was stopt concerning these things being found in the steps of the Pharisees Mat. 23. we do grant that Ezra had a Pulpit of wood but you profess your selves Ministers of the Gospel and plesbyterians and are ye sain to run to Ezra in the Law for a Pulpit now you have shewed your selves what you are and brought your deeds to the light but the Priesthood was made by the Law of God so were you never that priesthood changed and the Law changed also by which it was made and pulpit and Tythes ended and Christ the everlasting Priesthood witnessed so thou and you have proved your selves no Ministers of the Gospel Christ Jesus the power of God and the wisdom of God the ever lasting Priest-hood who is the end of Priests Pulpits and Tythes that was true in their place So you that have got up another Pulpit Tythes Temple like Readers of the Law and not like ministers of the Gospel and Priests are separated from the Apostles in the delusion and from Christ the everlasting Priesthood Heb. 7. and are them that Jude 19. and 2 Pet. 2. speakes of That separates themselves having not the Spirit that they were in who witnessed against Pulpit Tythes and Priest-hood and witnessed Christ the everlasting Priest-hood which Pulpit Tythes and Priesthood ye are crying up and so Antichrist George Weare bad him prove his practice for sprinkling of Infants and whether or no they were not to believe before they were Baptized He said the promise was to Abraham and his seed George answered him it was not to seeds as to many but to thy seed which is Christ Robert the Priest said That seed Christ was natural contrary to the Apostles doctrine Gal. 3.16 who said Christ was the power of God 1 Cor. 1.14 15. and Christ the mistery Col. 1.2.7 The first man is of the earth earthly the second man is the Lord from Heaven heavenly 1 Cor. 15. the spirituall man judgeth all things 1 Cor. 2.15 The seed of the woman bruiseth the serpents head Gen. 3.15 and the promise is to the seed and the seed is Christ the power of God And Christ the seed is the spiritual man and so not natural but the Priest said the seed is natural Now let all see in this whether he be not given up to delusion to speak lies in hypocrisy 1 Tim. 4.1 to delude and deceive people for dishonest gain Ezek. 22.13 Which seed he and all the Presbyterians shall finde spiritual to judge them and bruise the heads of them and break their wicked cords and bonds of iniquity which they have laid upon the people Mat. 23. Ezek.
enlightned The Magistrates be in that power which goes over him and is a praise to them that be in the light and the Ministers of God is to bring from under the occasion of the Magistrates sword George Weare being with his friend standing in the field neer Foord meeting-house as they call it he neither speaking nor acting any thing against any man but standing in the fear of the Lord with his friend William Lowry and John Hambleton called Justices committed him to prison where they lay twenty and three dayes and here is his innocency preached The original righteousness was before the fall The original of self-righteousness was that which fell and is in the fall that transgressed And in the Catechism which is tollerated by the general Assembly and in the Catechise of Scotland called A Short Catechism They say that the Word of God is contained in the Scriptures Answ And the Scriptures are writings and it saith God is the Word John 1.1 1 Kings 8.27 Solomon saith The Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him and you say he is contained in the Scriptures with his writings and you say there is Three persons and the Scripture doth not speak of Three persons and the Jewes had the Scriptures and knew not Christ the Word of God Then ye tell people of an outward ordinary meanes by which Christ Communicates the benefit of Redemption The word Sacraments the Scripture doth not speak of Three Persons and Sacraments they are Papists words of them ye have learned them the meanes of salvation is not ordinary or outward but Christ is the salvation who is Eternall Heb. 5.9 and they that come to him come to the end of the outward Col. 1.27 Ye say the Sacraments are the Effectuall meanes to salvation and ye say again they are not as they are themselves so here is confusion but onely by the blessing of Christ and his spirit in them How do ye differ from the Papists for they say he is in them and ye say his Spirit is in them and where his Spirit is is not he Oh blinde are ye found out go ye home to your Mother the Papist where Christ Spirit is he is And ye say your two Sacraments is Baptisme and the Lords Supper The Scripture doth not call Baptisme and the Lords Supper two Sacraments which Names you and the Papists adore and worship which you have given to them again you in your Catechize call the First day in the week the Sabbath-day Where did ever any of the Ministers of Christ or Christians un-apostatized call it so are not you come unto the breach and guilty of your owne judgement Of the third Commandment when ye give another Name to the Scriptures then they give themselves in calling them the Word and calling Baptisme and the Supper the Sacraments Exodus 20. Moses saith God spake all these words when he gave forth the Commandements mark words and the words of Christ are Spirit and Life John 6.63 God is the Word John 1.1 and Christ is the Word Rev. 19.13 and the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us John 1.14 And them that had the words of the Scriptures which cannot be broken John 10.35 the Law and the Prophets they knew not Christ the Word before they be brought to the light that Christ hath inlightned them with and they be brought to the Spirit John 5.37 John 8.19 Can the whole world say the Lords Prayer in truth or was it taught his Disciples or to the world doth not people draw nigh to God with their lips that say it Isaiah 20.13 and are not in the light which every man is lighted that cometh into the world withall Can ye say the Lords Prayer which is Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespasse against us without Hypocrisie How do ye forgive them when ye would have them persecuted and would have them stoned you that be Teachers of the people and how do ye love your neighbours as your selves and fulfill the Law and the Prophets Mat. 7.12 to do so as you would be done by To ye Presbyterians of Scotland I speak that be teachers whose principles is to stone chop off heads and persecute them that be contrary minded to you would ye have those that be contrary to your mindes stone you to death chop off your heads imprison and banish you and persecute and excommunicate you This is the Law and the prophets to do as ye would be done by as others should do to you so do unto them but Christ who is the end of the Law and the prophets Rom. 10.4 saith his doctrine is to love enemies Mat. 5.44 and saith if men persecute you pray for them and blesse them that curse you do good to them that hate you and pray for them that persecute you and despitefully use you that you may be the children of your father which is in heaven who makes the Sun to shine upon the evil and the good and the rain to descend upon the just and the unjust if ye love them that love ye what reward have ye the Publicans and Pharisees do so and the apostatized Christians who are got into the formes of words but out of the life of the Saints of Christ and the Apostles and there they are saluting their brethren onely but saith Christ be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect which you stand against so ye are they that have denyed the one offering which hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10.14 And makes the blood of Christ of none effect which cleanseth from all sin and the new Covenant which blots out all sin and transgression and all upon the earth professors and worshipers that call your selves Brethern and Christians and offerers of what sort soever that have but the name before thou offers be reconciled to thy brother go leave the gift at the alter and be reconciled to thy brother and then come and offer thy gift Mat. 5.24 then will the Lord accept thy offering and all upon the earth that prayeth so that ye doe forgive others that trespasse against you as you would have the Lord forgive you your trespasses Oh how is the beauty of the Church of Presbyterians marred and deformed oh how are they become Cages of unclean birds Synagogues of Sathan Oh how are their Teachers become envious men and murtherers of Cains Stock in whom the eternall life is not abideing That would club stone and chop off heads of strangers servants of the Lord God and Sonnes and Daughters and Excommunicate and put out of their Synagogues these things have I spoken unto you that ye should not be offended John 16.2 they shall excommunicate you yea the time cometh that they that kill you shall think they do God good service these things will they do unto you because they never knew the Father nor me These things have I told you before that when the time comes ye may remember that I told
John Hambleton Alexander Hambleton Barbara Hambleton Jennet Hambleton Andrew Hambleton Jane Hambleton Katherine Hart Katherine Hambleton John Allen Jane Hambleton William Hambleton Margaret Hambleton John Hart Jennet Atkin John Hart Alexander Hart Jane Hart Gawine Hart John Lacock Jennet Brown Thomas Craiqqe John Torrens Katherine Hambleton Katherine Weare Jennet Wear were excommunicated by Matthew Mackel and the rest of the Presbytery at Hambleton for these causes as followeth 1. Pr. You affirm that the Scriptures are not the word of God Ans The Scriptures are the words of God Christ is the Word and the Scriptures are not Christ 2. Pr. You affirm that there is no rule according to which a man should walk but the rule within him Ans The Spirit is the rule into all truth and not the Scripture it self Pr. 3. You affirm that every man hath a light sufficient to lead him to Christ within him Ans Yea 2 Cor. 4. the light that shines in his heart will give him the knowledge of the glory of God Pr. 4. You affirm that the Scriptures are not to be preached Ans That is false but they are not to be made a trade of by you Pr. 5. You affirm that there is no blessing pronounced to the preaching of the word Ans Not to you that make a trade of the words but they that preach the word has the blessing for Christ gives the wo to you Matth. 23. Pr. 6. You affirm that the Ministry is no standing Ordinance of Jesus Christ Ans VVe affirm that Christ must preach the Gospel but we deny you who preach for filthy lucre whose Ordination is by man and not by Christ Pr. 7 You affirm that no man that hath faith hath sin Ans VVe affirm that faith purifieth the heart and gives victory over sin which faith you say is not pure and curses them that says it is Pr. 8 You affirm that there is no external means to be followed in order to salvation Ans That which is the means to salvation is eternal Pr. 9. You affirm these to be Ministers of the man of sin and reprobates concerning the faith that sayes whilest a man is on the earth he cannot be set free from sin Ans We say yea we do so which is according to the Apostles Doctrine which says they were made free-from sin and they spake wisdome to them that were perfect and they were sanctified Pr. 10. You affirm no Sabbath Day to be observed Ans Neither do you your selves but what you invent and you do not keep that well neither but Christ the Sabbath we own Pr. 11. You are deserters of all publike Ordinances Ans The Ordinances of Christ we are not but mans Inventions we are Pr. 12. You rail against the Dispensers of publike Ordinances and those that countenance those Ordinances Ans Railing we deny but declaring against any invention of man we own and railing is your own for your Pulpits declares it that they should neither buy nor sell eat nor drink with them in the Nation These Accusations were Extracted and Subscribed by the Priests Clark in this manner following Mr. John Bonave And after the Priests had excommunicated the aforesaid persons they caused a general Synod to meet at Glasgow and made an Order and published it in all their Old Mass-Houses That none of those People called Quakers should have any entertainment and that no people should have any dealing with them in any civil affairs not to give cursed men work as they stiled our Friends and hindering men to work for them and that under the pain of Excommunication The extent of which Order is That they should neither buy nor sell eat nor drink with them in the Nation Peter Kid Priest of Dauglass summoned William Michell and Robert Todd to their Presbytery at Leanarick and when William Michel appeared before them him whom they called Moderator whose name is William Jack Priest of Carlook commanded him to take off his Bonnet and when he refused Richard Gollon Bayliff of the Town who sate amongst them to execute their malice rose up in rage and took it off his head and the Priests would not let him give it him again but keeps it still from him and he staying in Town all night and a friend of his called Richard Ray the Priest and Bayliff of the Town came about the tenth hour of the night to the Inne where they lay and charged the people of the house to put them out notwithstanding they kept one of their Bonnets and the night was very stormy Witnesses of this James White Agnas Forrest And here is the Priests fruits Peter Kidd summoned William Michell and Mary English to the quarter Sessions at Hambleton but did not appear to lay any thing to their Charge when they came back againe Mary English went to him and asked him why he summoned them and did not appear to make known what he had against them but he answered not one word but his wife and servants beat and abused her cruelly Here is your fruits again William Stockdale and John Boweran being moved of the Lord to declare the truth in the Market-place of Strahavan on a Market-day were cruelly abused and many times knockt down with staves and stones and violently drawn out of the town by the wicked people William Stockdale and John Gill with many others having a Meeting in the Grave-Yard in Strahavan on a Market-day a company of the Priests Hearers came and fell upon them with staves and stones and broke up the Meeting and stoned them above a quarter of a mile out of the Town insomuch that some blood was spilt and many was sore bruised Richard Ismead for bidding James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton prove himself a Minister of Christ was apprehended by the Bayliff and was imprisoned in the Tole-booth of Hambleton and after was scarryed to a Justices Court at Glasgow who commanded him to be set in the Stocks and a Gag put in his mouth and a Paper pinned on his Brest and made an Order for him to depart the Nation William Stockdale being moved of the Lord to go to the Steeple-house of Damanoy and as he stood in the Yard declaring the Truth and against their Idolatrous Worship the Priest came who did encourage the people to beat him whereupon some of his Elders and other wicked people violently knokt him down and set their feet upon him and plucked much hair off his head insomuch that some people cried he is kild and if the power of the Lord had not born him up which bears up the heads of his Lambs whom he sends forth in the midst of Wolves when they are persecuted he had died amongst them for he was not able to speak neither to rise a certain time after off the ground William Jack Priest of Carlook said to the people of Lismahagow in his preaching as followeth Beloved If you will contribute and some of you give a six pence and others a shilling that
you cannot deceive the Nations any more as ye have done Again the Priests of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow made a fast and excommunicated these persons viz. William Gray and James Findly and charged people not to let them come into their houses commanding them to have no commerse with them in buying nor selling nor borrowing nor lending and James Findly being a Smith they charged people that they should not work with him for if they did they should be excommuicated also and Henry Foreside Priest of that parish again told them that it was acted in the presbytery that if any work any longer work that pertaines to the Smiths trade with James Findly they should be excommnicants and should not parake with any of his Church-Ordinances as marriage sprinkling the children and communion of bread and wine which act several of the people murmures under but say they must obey it contrary to their minds because they cannot bear the Priests wrath Again John Burnett Priest of Kilbrid charged his hearers to have no dealings in civil affaires with these people called Quakers that were excommunicated and he summoned such to his Sessions which had eaten or drunken bought or sold with them requiring them to make publick confession before the people that they had given offence in so doing c. Again Robert Paul one of the Priests elders said he would convert James Findly and his doctrine to convert him by was this That the Scripture was the word And secondly That the Scriptures was God Thirdly That the Scriptures is the way to the Kingdom of Heaven and no other under Heaven Fourthly That the scriptures is the Holy Ghost that the Father promised that he would send that should reprove the world of sin c. Ans If he had said that the Scripture is that which testifie of these things that doctrine had bin more like to have converted for the scripture saith That the word was in the begining before scripture was and it saith that Christ is the way and there is no other Name under Heaven by which men shall be saved but by Christ it doth not say that by no other name but the scripture so that all such doctrine will pervert people from God and not convert them to God And the same Robert Paul said he would respect mens persons and that he would never be free from fin neither was it possible Answ How can thou do any other but respect persons and commit sin while thou denyes God to be God and Christ to be the way and would make the scriptures both to be God and the way to God and would make them the spirit the gift of the Father but herein thou art blind and leads none but the blind and doth pervert and not convert for thou art ignorant of that which convinceth the world of sin yet which is the Spirit of truth which the scripture testifies of but that thou must first come to know to convince thee of and to condemn thy darkness before thou do either convince or convert any unto God James Gartsore Priest said they loved God which keeped not his commandements Answ Which is contrary to the Apostles doctrine which saith If any man saith that he loves God and keeps not his Commandments he is a lyar and the truth is not in him and hereby do we know wee love God because wee keepe his commandements 1 John 2.3 4. and his Commandements are not grievous but joyous And Christ saith Why call ye me Lord and doth not the thing that I command you so that none loves God but he who keeps his Commandements and abideth in him and he that abideth in him sinneth not 1 John 3.6 Peter Kid Priest of Douglasse said Put a man in never such a close place his soule will run like a post horse Answ Thou shewest that thou art ignorant of the soul and never knew what it was nor knowes how to Minister to it nor how to watch over it But if thou had seen thine own condition thou might have said that thy vain thoughts and wandring imaginations runs to and fro in the earth and thy mind is not staid upon God and art not come to know the first principal of the the time Religion that which should stay thy mind upon God so thou art to wait to be taught and not to teach William Simerwell Priest of Petinance said that Christ died for the Elect and godly people of the world and not for the Turks and Pagans and Barbarians c. Answ Christ died for sinners according to the Scriptures Rom. 5.8 And he came to call sinners to repentance not the righteous or godly Mat. 9.13 And Christ died for all 2 Cor. 5.14 15. And is the propitiation for our sins saith the Apostle that was the believers and not for ours onely but for the sins of the whole World and the Gospel is to be preached to every Creature and remission of sins in his Name to Turks Pagans and Barbarians So herein thou hast shewed that thou was never made a Minister of the Gospel unto any neither knoweth what the Gospel is to be Ministred unto so therefore be silent and learn no more to blaspheme God and his truth as thou hast done Again Priest Simerwell saith Christ calls all men every where to repent but he will not that all should Repent Answ Here thou would make Christ a deceiver and so hath manifested thy selfe to be Antichrist what doth Christ call men to do that which he would not have them to do What is there any guile to be found in his mouth would thou go about to turne the truth of the Scriptures into a lye which saith That God wills that all men should come to the knowledge of the truth that they might be saved and thou here hath charged Christ foolishly and falsly in saying that he calls them to do that which he would not have them to do when he calls all men every where to Repent The Priest of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow summoned James Findly and William Gray to be examined by him for Heresy as they say and when they appeared they shut the door and would let none hear their examination manifesting themselves to be in darknesse and afraid to bring their deeds to the Light left their deceipts should have been laid open and reproved but they would not answere untill the doors were set open and all people to here that would come in Truth is bold and seeks no Corners They Priests affirmed that the Light which every one is enlightened withall is naturall c. Answ Here they manifest their ignorance of the life of Christ which is spirituall whose life is the light of men and this is the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world and this light is pure that Christ doth enlighten every one withall and whosoever doth truth love the Light and brings his deeds to the light to be proved and by the Light
was never any since the world began was free from sin nor never shall be write that said he Answ Which is quite contrary to plain Scripture Rom. 6.18 20 22. Being made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousnesse for when ye were the servants of sin ye were free from righteousnesse but now being made free from sin and become servants of God ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end everlasting life for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord And Paul said Rom. 8.2 The Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death A Relation of some of the Sufferings of Friends to the Truth in Scotland JOhn Roberton called Lord of Ornock publickly refused to enter Andrew Hambleton in Shawton-hill in his possession under him because he was excommunicated by the Priests Witnesses of this Elexander Hambleton and John Strudders William Gray James Findly John Gray Robert Smally John Robine was summoned to be upon a Jewry at Dunbarton and when they came there and went within the Barr they puld off their Bonnets and bad them swear unto whom they answered they would not swear But they will tell the Truth and take God to be their Witnesse upon it but this they would not receive for John Callhonne called the Sheriffs deputy bad them swear by God and hold up their hands or go into prison and it was answered we dare not transgresse the Doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all he said it was but the Law of Christ that bad men not swear but the Law of God bad men swear and so would have set the old law over Christ who is the end of it who forbids swearing And because they durst not transgresse the Doctrines of Christ in which the Apostle lived who said Above all things my Bretheren swear not at all they put them all five into Prison The Heads of that which past in Discourse betwixt the People called Quakers and the two Priests of Hambleton in the Priests house The Names of the Priests are Jam. Nesmith and John English in which Discourse they have manifested themselves and all the rest of their Generation to be none of the Ministers of Christ but the Ministers of Anti-christ who preaches another Gospel then the Apostles did as in the Discourse following you may plainly see And also some Reasons why we deny them First JAmes Nesmith said There is no salvation in an ordinarie way for sinners without externall Revelation from the Scriptures Answ Here all may see they hold out another way to salvation then the Prophets and the Apostles did for they said Christ was given for salvation to the ends of the earth Isay 49.6 and there was not salvation in any other nor no other Name given by which any can be saved but by the Name of Jesus Acts. 4.12 But that salvation they tell of which is by external revelation from the Scriptures was never held forth by the Prophets nor the Apostles nor declared of in all the Scriptures of Truth therefore all may see they are such as preach another Gospel then the Apostles did and so are to be holden accursed and turned away from Gal. 1.8 Jam. Nesmith said That Christ doth not excommunicate the knowledge of himself but by the Scriptures and that the Scripture is the means by which the knowledge of God is imparted Answ This is a lye and Scripture contradiction For Christ who doth communicate the knowledge of himself by his own Spirit saith none knows the Son but the Father neither doth any man know the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him Mat. 11.27 So it is not by the Scriptures that the true knowledge of God is imparted to any man but by Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 The second Priest John English First Said the Vail that was over people in the time of the Law was the Old Testament and it was taken away by the New Testament Answ Sin was and is the vail by which the mystery was vailed all the time of the Law until now for when Moses is read the same vail remains over their hearts for their minds was and is blinded by the God of this World lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine unto them 2 Cor. 4.4 nevertheless when their hearts shall be turned to the Lord the vail shall be taken away 2 Cor. 3.16 which vail is done away in Christ 2 Cor. 3.14 and not by the Scripture which they call the New Testament and here John English is proved to be a lyar and of his father the Devil who is a lyar from the beginning 2. John English said That the Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter but not for substance neither was it a clear Gospel Answ The Gospel that was preached to Abraham was the same for matter and substance which Paul preached for matter and substance is one and it was a clear Gospel for Christ the substance was preached to Abraham and Abraham saw his day and rejoyced John 8.56 Therefore give over deceiving the people with lies and repent 3. John English said The Scripture is the glasse by which we see the Face of God Answ This is a lie and Scripture contradiction for the Apostle saith God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 Mark the Priests ignorance or the Scriptures and here all may see that he is one of them that keeps people in darkness from seeing the face of God and erres not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God 4. John English said The foundation of the Prophets and Apostles was meant the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament Answ The Prophets and Apostles meant what they speak and the same foundation which they declared of and builded upon did 〈◊〉 Enoch Noah and others who died in the Faith before the Old and New Testament was written build upon which foundation was Christ the Rock of Ages the foundation of the chief Corner Stone 2 Tim. 2.19 1 Cor. 2.11 But thou art one of them that drawes people from the foundation of the Prophets and the Apostles to build upon thy lies and consequences which building and foundation the Lord will bring to naught for he is risen to sweep away the refuge of lies which thou and thy generation hath been covered with and will make you naked and bare for your covering is too short that your shame cannot be hid any longer 5. John English said That they had their commission from Paul to give Bread and Wine Answ Here hast thou made it plainly manifest that thou and thy generation are none of the Ministers of Christ who say you have your
reasonable and sinful be reasonable both then they are one in unity The Lord will take the soul for an offering for sin doth the Lord take that which is sinful for an offerring Isai 53. see how thou and the Prophet agrees here But what is that soul that the wicked is not able to kill is it not that which God hath in his hand and this is a lye to say that which is reasonable is sinful of one that puts light for darknesse God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soul who hath all souls in his hand and the soul is immortal and Christ the Bishop of it is immortal and God hath it in his hand which goeth against him that doeth evil whose hand is immortal but man transgressing against the commands of God the soul lies in death so Christ is the Bishop of the souls so they that came to know Christ their souls rejoyce in God their Saviour Luke 1. Pr. That the evil Spirits are both sinfull and reasonable Answ This is a lie for reasonable is not sinful and unreasonable is sinful 2 Thes 3. they have not the faith and if the evil Spirit be reasonable and the good reasonable they are both one who then is unreasonable If the evil Spirit be reasonable thou pots no difference between the precious and the vile thou hast the Mark of a blind guide and a false Prophet in thy so ehead Pr. That one of them Quakers is worse then the Devil A. This is a lie with his strange wonder for there is nothing worse then the Devil whose children you are for when he speaks a lie he speakes of himself and he is the Father of it Henry Foreside Priest of Lingiah in Dunbarton shire His Doctrine and PRINCIPLES Pr. THat God commands all every where to repent to the end that they should not have it to say but they were warned but not that he would give them grace to repent Answ Here thou makes God that he does not intend that he speaks and so thou would make him unrighteous though the Lord commands all men every where to repent Acts 17.30 who hath made all Nations of men of one blood to dwell upon the Earth and all being concluded under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all Rom. 3.9 For both Jewes and Gentiles all were under sin and none of them did good no not one And Gods intent is that when he calls men to repentance they should repent when he calls them and many did repent and you are not fit men to be Ministers of Christ or God Now if God command all men every where to Repent and as thou sayst does not intend they should Repent thou and you go about to make God unjust First the Lord he desireth not the death of a sinner but that he should turn from his wickednesse and live Exod. 33.11 Now in the turning from his wickednesse he lives but in going on in his wickednesse he dies so Repentance was Preached from dead works to serve the living God Heb. 6.1 Christ came to call finners to Repentance not the Righteous for the whole needs not the Physitian but to the sick Mat. 9.12 13. And as for saying God did not intend to give them grace though he calls them to repentance That is a lie unrighteous doctrine for the grace of God hath appeared to all men which brings Salvation Titus 2.11 and so as he calls them to repentance he gives them grace that grace which brings salvation which men are justified by so it is saving grace that brings salvation and teacheth to deny ungodlinesse Now they that live ungodly turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse Jude 4. and these are the wells without water in Cains way Balaams way and Cores way Jude 11. speaks the high words in hypocrisie and these are they that separate themselves from the Apostles sensual having not the Spirit Jude 19. and are of old ordained to condemnation who separated from the light which turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse so these are they that neglect the common salvation it was the charge of the Apostle to Timothy before his decease 1 Tim. 4.2 2 Tim. 4.7 Then told him perillous times should come and Doctrines of Devils and men speaking lies in hypocrisie he said unto them that they should trust in the living God who is the Saviour of all men and especially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4.10 But the Devils Doctrine leads them from their Saviour and from the grace 2 Tim. 4.1 And they that are not in the Doctrine are from the light which Christ hath inlightned them withall John 1.9 And have turned the grace of God into wantonnesse and pernitious wayes and drawes others from it and we do conclude that to be the Doctrine of Devils which sayes God calls all men to repent and intends not to give them grace nor would not have them to repent as thou Henry Foreside doth say for it was the charge of the Apostle to Titus to speak sound words and sound Doctrine and could not be condemned Titus 2. and told him that the grace of God which brings salvation had appeared to all men which taught them to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lust and to live godly soberly and righteously in this present evill world these things speak and exhort with all authority Tit. 1. But as I said before ungodly men that turn the grace of God into wantonnesse are of old ordained to this condemnation and this the is condemnation of the world that light is come into the World and men love darknesse rather then light because their deeds are evill John 3.19 he that loves the light the light is his Saviour but he that hates the light it is his condemnation Pr. That the two parts of the Church must be prophane and godless Ans The Church is the Pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim. 3.15 The Church of the living God for the ungodly are out of its grounds and that which is ungodly the pillar and ground of truth there is no ungodly in it and the Church is without wrinkle or spot holy without blemish Eph. 5.27 and the Church is in God 1 Thes 1.1 That which is in God is in the light and out of the ungodly Pr. That God before the world was had ordained one little part of the people for eternal life that sin or do all the evil they could they could not loose that which was ordained for them Ans Here thou goest about to make Christ a lyar for he that commits sin is the servant of sin 1 Joh 3.8 saith He that commits sin is of the Devil saith the Apostle and thou wouldst make God partial and hast taught a Doctrine contrary to the Scriptures For God is no respecter of persons Rom. 2.11 Who will give to every one a reward according to their works Psal 62.12 And he that works iniquity must depart cursed from Christ
Mat. 7.23 Mat. 25 41. And he that sinneth after he hath received the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement Hebr. 10.27 And the elect doth not commit sin and who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods Elect Rom. 8.33 and the Elect is Christ Isai 42.1 who was elected before the world was he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he because his seed remains in him 1 John 3.9 And he that commits sin is of the Devil and never knew God vers 6 And here is the children of God maniest and the children of the Devil 1 Joh 3 10 and God hears not sinners and them that regard iniquity Psal 66.18 Joh. 9.31 Prov 15 8 Pr That the great part of the world was ordained for Hell that repent or do all that they are commanded to doe they would not obtain salvation because God had ordained them to Hell Ans Then he was asked wherefore he preached His answer was to save the elect he was answered again if it was so there was no need of that seeing they could not be lost Then he was asked before he preached to them that were ordained to Hell he answered to make their damnation hotter it was answered them again that they had small friends of them and they could not make it hotter seeing they were ordained before the Priest aforesaid was asked who had the blame that men went to Hell His answer was Seeing ye desire to know I shall tell you there is one part of the blame in man and another part of the blame in the Almighty that men went to Hell Ans In this here is confusion thou sayest God hath ordained them thou sayest God has done it then mark then thou sayest there is part in man and thou sayest before it was in God now if it be in God as thou sayest that he hath ordained them to hell repent or do all that they are commanded to do thy preaching is needless and thou cannot add to Hell hotter or colder Therefore thy preaching is done and ceased And thou saist part of the blame that men go to hell is in God here thou wouldest make God unrighteous who desires not the death of a sinner God is not to be blamed in any thing he doth but praised and righteous in all his judgements and God is not to be blamed for God is truth so let God be true and every man a lyar Rom. 3.4 thou wicked one mans destruction is of himself Hos 13.9 and God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he would repent so no fault in God who saith let the unrighteous man forsake his unrighteousness and he shall live so let the righteous man forsake his righteousnesse and he dies Ezek. 18.22 So my ways are equall the Lord hath no pleasure at all that the wicked should die but that he should return and live so mans destruction is of himself And whereas thou sayest God hath ordained a great part to Hell what makest thou of Christ who came to be a Saviour of the world John 4.42 he doth not say the Elect onely but to save the world and not to condemn it and God so loved the world mark the words John 3.19 he doth not say so hated it that he gave his onely begotten Son into the world that whosoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life and he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might have life but they that hate the light and do not beleeve in it are with the light condemned but thou sayest otherwise that he condemns a great part of the world and he doth not say he loves the Elect onely but God so loved the world and God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself 2 Cor. 5.19 he does not say the Elect onely and he through death hath destroyed the power of death the Devil Heb. 2.14 and thou art to be reproved for thy judgment for thy unbelief for thy righteousness for thy sin because of thy unbelief for thy judgment because the Prince of this world is judged Joh. 16. and so Christ doth not say I am the light of the Saints of the elect onely but I am the light of the world Joh. 8.12 and saith that light is come into the world and this is the condemnation of the world that light is come into to the world and men love darkness rather then it because their deeds are evil Joh. 3.19 So its unbelief that shuts out Rom. 11.20 So the gates stand open night and day and every one that doth evill hates the light and will not come to it because it will reprove him and he will not come in to the gate for he that comes to the gate comes to the light and he that comes to the light comes out of condemnation and comes to be a child of the light he that hates the light will not come into the kingdome of God And for thy saying God hath ordained a great part of the world to Hell let them repent and do all that ever he hath commanded them he that doth the things that Christ commands enters the Kingdome he that repents his mind is changed and whosoever beleeveth shal not perish and this command is general Joh. 10.28 through the whole world therefore thou with the Devils doctrine shuts up the kingdome of Heaven against others and wilt not go in thy self who saies let men repent and do all that ever they can they must go to hell when God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he should turn from his wickedness and live Ezek. 33.11 but he is merciful and judges not as thou dost whose eyes are blinded and hands full of blood so I say whosoever repents and doth the things they are commanded they shall be saved and that which thou sayest to the contrary we conclude to be the Devils doctrine and whosoever resists the thing that is commanded that will be their condemnation but hates the light which was before the world was which lighteth every man that cometh into the world that all through him might beleeve for he that beleeves in the light shall not abide in darkness John 8.12 shall not come into condemnation shall come to be a child of light John 12.36 and they shall have the light of life and so the light is sufficient to save them and condemn them that beleeve not John 3.18.14 James 4.12 and every one that cometh into the light that they are inlightned withal such come into the election and into the Covenant of God and evill consciences thou mayest frighten them that hates the light which is their condemnation but the elect thou canst neither save nor deceive thanks be to God Christ reigns who will give to every man according to his works who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world not beleeving is condemned and shut