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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86664	The horn of the he-goat broken: or An answer to a lying book called, The chasing of the young quaking harlot out of the citie. Published by a scorner of the truth, called Thomas Winterton. His deceit and ignorance laid open, his lies reproved, and the quæries answered, for the sake of the simple. / By a lover of righteousnesse, called, Richard Huberthorn.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.	1656 (1656)	Wing H3224; Thomason E883_2; ESTC R202543	10,530	16

hammer to break and cousume all carnall lust and sleshly and selfish desires whatsoever that now they cannot sin Ans Here thou hast gathered that which we have not strewen and in thy imaginations thou hast gathered thy evil thoughts conceiving of that which never was spoken from us as thou spakest it and now they cannot sin But this I say that he that believes in the light and follows Christ who is the light shall have the light of life and shall never come into condemnation if he abide in the light which cometh from Christ the Word which is as a fire and a hammer which where it dwels consumes all carnall and fleshly lusts And hereby it is easily known who have the word from them who have but the letter And whereas thou sayest that light is but to discover and not active at all here thou hast shewed thy self to be ignorant both of the light and of the Scripture which saith the light of Israel shall be for a fire and it shall burn up and devoure his thorns and bryers in one day And this light was witnessed to burn and consume that which is contrary to it and whereas thou sayest that if we will be purged we must seek something else for light will not doe it I answer God is light as in 1 John 1. 5. and Christ is the light John 8. 12. and if God and Christ who is the light wil not do it then what else must people seek unto to be purged And again thou sayst thou deniest that light or any thing within man or without man doth or ever did so cleanse purifie and make perfect the souls of men and then thou addest to make up thy dark saying as that it were safe convenient to allow them no other guide or director but the dictates of their own light spirit within them As for the later thou mayst take it as thine own for we deny all those which walks after their own whether thou call it light or dictates for that which is their own is darknesse and not light but those that follow the light of Christ and deny that which is their own for his sake we own And as for thy former to deny that light or any thing within or without man doth or ever did cleanse or purifie and make perfect the sons of men let all here take notice of thy Atheisme who hath denied Christ and his light either within or without men to do it The fourth particular by which thou would prove us to be the Harlot and our design dangerous is in these words That now the Scripture is no more a guide for us to walk by nor nothing without them but the light within them and he that seeks after any other guide but that within him is in the flesh still Which words are thy own and was not so spoken by any of us But to thee I say that the Scripture which did foresee that which we now do see we own to be one with the light which was before the letter and to be our guide in the way of truth and this guide is within us but by the Scripture letter without thee thou neither sees nor foresees the things which belong to eternall life which if ever any come to see it must be by the light of Christ within them and all who own this light and with it is guided cannot deny the Scriptures which was spoken sorth from the light within Again thou wouldst accuse E. B. to be changing in his doctrine from one thing to another because he said that all strife and contention revenge was of the flesh and of the Divel and to be condemned with the light which testimony is also true and this testimony can we never deny nor change from And whereas thou bringest his salutation to contradict that where he saith Make war in righteousness against Gog and Magog and prepare for the Lord. Herein thou hast manifested thy blindness which cannot see the war which stands in righteousness from that which proceds from the lust but as thou hast imagined carnally of all the things of God which was spoken from the same spirit and so as well may thou make lies and pervert our words as thou dost the Scriptures and now having published many lies against us thou makest a profession of thy own condition that all people may see from what thou judgest us to be in delusion thy words are these Now forasmuch as I have not an infallible spirit infallibly to interpret what may be intended in these revengefull expositions notwithstanding my imaginary faculty might find ground enough of bad consequence in them yet I shall leave them to better judgements as in the ninth page of thy book Ans Thy now leaving of us to better judgments or to them that have the spirit of truth will not excuse thee for what thou hast done already that hath had nothing to judge us by all this while that thou hast spoken and written against us but evill consequences out of thy imaginary faculty How art thou fallen from what thou seemedst to pretend against us in thy books as if thou hadst known that we had held forth false doctrine or intended a carnall war because we speak of a war in righteousness But now thou speakest plainly that thou hast not the spirit of Truth truly to interpret what we intend in our expressions but leaves it to better judgements Here thou hast manifested thy self a soolish builder it had been lesse shame for thee if thou hadst not begun then having begun in thy imaginary faculties and bad consequences and now confessest thou wantest the spirit of Truth here thou hast proved thy selfe to be the Harlot and fit to be chased out of the Citie who doth raise strife accusations and lies against the truth of God from thy imaginary faculties and bad consequence being without the spirit of truth Again in thy answer to E. B. salutation thou boasts from thy imaginary faculty and sayst in thy 11. page O thou proud presumptuous ambitious Quaker whence is thy originall thou art not yet seven years old and art thou the onely people of the whole creation in the favour of the Almighty therefore wo be to them that live to see thee prosperous to a manly age Answ Our original is before all ages or the number of years and before any imaginary faculties which is thy rule was and this in time being brought forth which before all time was they who are found in their imaginary faculties as thou art the woe comes upon them and thy woe and torment will increase as the truth increaseth as it was from Christ to the Jewes Scribes and Pharisies in the dayes of his flesh who questioned the truth of his words from the youngnesse of his years as thou dost his truth now having nothing to judge with but thy imaginary faculties having not the infallible spirit and yet thou goes on accusing us that we deny

THE HORN OF THE He-goat broken OR AN ANSWER to a lying Book called The chasing the young Quaking Harlot out of the Citie Published by a scorner of the Truth called Thomas Winterton His Deceit and Ignorance laid open his lies reproved and the Quaeries answered for the sake of the simple By a lover of Righteousnesse called Richard Huberthorn LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1656. TO THE READER READER THE time is come and coming wherein the God of Heaven is setting up his Kingdome which is not carnall but spirituall and establishing his Throne in righteousnesse and the day is appeared and appearing wherein all that oppose him shall be ashamed Now when he is declaring his righteousnesse and his saving health in the Nations and now the Man of Sin and Antichrist is discovered and the hidden things is brought to light and now when his enemies cannot hide themselves any longer but their shame must appeare who are covered and not with the spirit of the Lord. Therefore I say because the Lord in his mercy hath caused his marvellous light to arise in the earth the Prince of darknesse is angry and all his subjects because their judgement drawes nigh and their strength must be thrown down And as the Lord hath made manifest his light more than in some generations past Therefore the rage of the old Dragon is greater and his Angels and Instruments who are to be taken with the Beast and the false Prophet and shut up in the pit and sealed in utter darknesse for ever and therefore he is come forth in his power and his strength and all his subjects every one with such weapons as they have some with clubs some with prisons whippings reproaches and mockings some with their corrupt sensuall wisdome to oppose some with lies and slanders but all is at work to defend their Masters Kingdome and would not have the man to rule Christ Jesus who will judge all their unrighteousness and bring down the Beast out of his seat amongst whom thou mayst see Tho. Winterton sitting neer his Master unto whom he is fallen upon the throne of unrighteousness In a former Book he denied any thing above nature to guide man and in this his last book would judge of us by his evill consequence and he hath denied that he hath any thing that is infallible but he saith he judges by his imaginary faculty and he judges us in the 15. page to be Harlots because we speak plain language as Thou and so hath made all the holy men of God Harlots and adulterers who used the same and so blasphemously against the spirit of truth hath set him self and makes lies his refuge as the rest of the Dragons Army do and therefore these few things mind wherein his shame is laid open and his lies denied and his sensuall Quaeries answered which rose from his imaginary faculty And so take heed Reader thou come not in the way of the liers nor lend thy ear to the wicked but mind the light of Christ Jesus which will shew thee men of corrupt minds and corrupt things and seeing in the single eye In vain doth the Fowler spread his net in the sight of the Bird. Try all things by measure of the Spirit hold that which is good A friend to righteousness I am and a lover of thy soul R. H. An Answer to Tho. Winterton his Book which he affirmeth to be a Chasing of the young quaking Harlot out of the Citie which if those that he writes against be not by it chased out of the Citie then all may take him to be a false Prophet which reads what he hath affirmed by his book to be brought to passe IN thy former Book thou hast been proved to deny the Father Son and Spirit and denied that there is any thing in thee above nature And in this book also thou hast made it manifest to be guided onely by the naturall senses and so to be sensual having not the Spirit and so in this thy sensuall wisdom without the Spirit of God thou goest about to prove us to be the Harlot and to be upon two dangerous designes the first by our Doctrine the second by the Sword First as from our Doctrine to prove it thou bringest four particulars as first that we say That the peoples senses understanding and reason were carnall fleshly and unto condemnation To which I answer All people which hate the light of Christ as thou dost and set up reason and imagination to be their guide knows nothing above nature in them their senses are reprobate and their understandings darkned and their reason carnall and fleshly which is for condemnation with the light And to those thar were sensuall whose reason was carnall and fleshly did the Apostles minister condemnation as thou may read in the Scriptures and yet that proved them not to be harlots but their design in their doctrine was to exalt Christ which is the true light and lightneth every one that cometh into the world and our design is the same against which no inchantmens lies nor false accusations from Priests nor Atheists can prevail The second particular wherein thou would prove us to be the Harlot and our design to be dongerous is because we say That Christ lightneth every one that cometh into the world And to this thou thy self in the fifth page of thy Book confessest to be a truth clear from Scripture and that this light discovers to every one that will both good and evil and in the fourth page thou callest this particular That Christ hath lightned every one that comes into the World a pure truth and yet thou would make the people believe that we were the Harlot for holding forth the pure truth and so thy own breath as fire shall devoure thee And hereby the pure truth of God which we hold forth is cleared and thou broken to pieces by the stone upon which thou fallest But all thy Atheisme and all the Priests doctrine cannot make the people so blind as to believe that holding forth the pure truth of God will make us to be an Harlot or our design dangerous and here thou hast manifested thy spirit that all may see what we are accused for by whom being accused to be harlots hereticks deceivers and deluders blasphemers and dangerous because we hold forth the pure truth of God according to the Scriptures yea so far hath God turned the wise backward and made their wisdome foolishnesse that even our enemies and accusers are forced to confesse that it is holding forth the pure truth according to the Scripture for which we are accused as T. Winterton hath done to his own shame and confusion The third particular from which thou would prove us to be the harlot and our designes dangerous are in these words which thou sayst thou gathered from our Doctrine That who so believes in this light it is as a fire and a

all matter and form of worship I say where the spirit of truth is which thou sayst thou hast not there is both the matter form of the true worship owned not denied which spirit we have and know both the matter and form but in thy imaginary faculties there is neither And whereas thou sayest that we deny actuall obedience and the authority of the Scriptures that is false for by that authority that gave forth the Scriptures are we daily in actuall obedience to the Lord. Again thou bringest severall particulars which thou callest the markes of the Harlot by which she may be known as first in her language which is to speak the word Thou to a particular person in stead of You thou wouldst make the language of the Harlot then all the Prophets Christ and the Apostles did speak the language of the Harlot and then the Scripture is translated in the language of the Harlot which doth not use the word You to any particular person But here thou hast made it more manifest to be without the spirit and to speak from thy imaginary faculties The second mark is her weapons which is saying that people is carnall and in the flesh and that they know not the light of Christ but stumble at the stumbling-stone and are in the cursed ground and that they cannot believe though the truth be declared unto them they having not the spirit but are in their sins And this thou sayest is the weapon of the Harlot Ans Now these words were all used by the Ministers of the most high God against the Harlot as thou art manifest to be who stumbles at the stumbling-stone as it is written Rom. 9. 32. John 11. 9 10. Here thou may see they which were no harlots told them they stumbled at the stumbling-stone and told some that they were carnall 1 Cor. 3. 3. and the Prophet told them they had eyes and could not see ears and could not hear and hearts and could not understand Isai 44. 18. and this was no mark of a Harlot in the Prophet but they whom he said was so was harlotted from the Lord and Christ told them that they were yet in their sins and told them they should die in their sins John 8. 24. if they believed not and told them they were of their father the Divell and had not known God but was from beneath John 8. And these things in Christ was no mark of a harlot but they were harlots whom he so judged and so thy marks disprove thee The third mark Her presumption attempting to share with the Almighty And this which thou calls presumption is to be guided by God and hereby thou doth accuse all the Saints of God for they all did so far presume as to be guided by God and by his Spirit and to say that all the chldren of the Lord should be taught of the Lord and this was no presumption nor no mark of the harlot and they said as he is so are we in this present world and this was no presumption nor the mark of the harlot but humility if thou wert not blind thou would see it The fourth mark is pretending to own the Scriptures and speak much of Religion and yet hath nothing in matter form or essence Ans This hath marked out thy condition that pretends to own the Scriptures and prosesseth them and hath not that Spirit which gave them forth being guided by thy imaginary faculties and so without the power and effect of that which thou professeth but we by that spirit which gave them forth do them professe and have the form power and effect of what we doe professe and so the mark of the harlot returns upon thy self which in to presume without the spirit The fifth mark her attendance the ignorant and the lewd Answ If this be the mark of the Harlot try thy self for who is more ignorant than he that wants the infallible spirit as thou confesseth thou dost For this mark of the harlot thou clears us from in the sixth page of thy book who there accuseth us of subtilty and in the 16 page of ignorance and so thou multiplies thy confusion and ignorance And for lewdnesse thou may own the guilt of that thy self for if thou wert not both lewd mad in thy divinations thou would not have so falsly accused those that have the spirit of God confessing thy self not to have it but that it is that thy folly may more speedily be made manifest unto all men that the Scripture upon thee may be fulfilled The sixth mark her kindred and that is the Ranters which thou sayst is the mark of the Harlot Herein thou hast numbred thy self thy own testimony being a witnesse to it and thy guide which is thy naturall senses and corrupt reason knowing neither light nor spirit of Christ within and therefore no restraint thou knows from thy divers lusts but both the Ranters and thou in your sensuall liberty is found and by us you both are denied for from that kindred we are redeemed and from all harlots marks The seventh mark is she is the youngest of all Harlots little above five years old Answ If thou would prove us to be the Harlot from the youngness of years as little above five then thou must deny that which thou hast asserted against us in the 13 page for there thou would prove us to be false Prophets from those fruits that Christ spoke of Matth 7. 15. And if thou prove any thing against us from that in Matth 7 then it is not from the youngness of years for that is above five yeares since so these confusions I return unto thee again that thou may see that blindnesse and confusion is the sign of the harlot Now as in answer to thy Quaeries Quaerie 1. VVHether if it be not lawful to presuppose things that are not to find out the truth of things that are and if so then Ans It is not lawfull for thee to intrude into things which thou hast not seen vainly puffed up in thy fleshly mind Thou that goes into things that are not to find out the truth of things that are goes from God the truth that is into a lie and thy presupposing things there is not lawfull neither canst thou find ought there for nought brings forth its like being gone from God that is 2. Whether there had been any need of Christs coming in the flesh if Adam had stood in his created estate Ans Christs coming in the flesh is that everlasting Covevant in which the Creation stands and in wbich Adam had his created estate and so there was need of that which gave Adam his being and recovery 3d and 4th Whether Christ restored to believers any more than Adam lost And whether there be any ground to believe that any in this life hath more communion with God or are more pure or perfect than Adam was in Paradise Ans Art thou got above the Innocencie in thy