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A66942 The dissenting casuist, or, The second part of a dialogue between prejudice, a dissenting country gentleman, and reason, a student in the university being I. a clear justification of the execution of the laws against dissenters, II. a comparison of the arguments on both sides concerning monarchy in general, III. concerning an elective kingdom, or whether a lawful successor or true heir upon any misdemeanours may be excluded. Wood, Thomas, 1661-1722. 1682 (1682) Wing W3409; ESTC R21026 23,696 40

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ridiculous as so many Jack Daws without their Feathers And here 's one that being weary of secret Faction comes forth boldly and prosecutes people at Law for Scandalum Magnatum and then if he thinks he has vex'd and tormented them he will go no further will let fall his Suit and for half a minute be at quiet He grins like a Dog and in the evening walketh about the City and like a Lion seeketh whom he may devour Here is a Company sent to Taverns and Coffee Houses to dispute the case to blow the Coals with a stronger Breath and if it be possible to make it flame out These are to make Bonfires raise Tumults and as if it were a perpetual Whitsun Ale they stop every Passenger force him to drink a Health to My Lord and The good old Cause his Lady And will any one make me believe that these are not Juglers Baxters and Owens and Humble Moderators c. behind the Curtain that guide these Puppetae by a secret Spring and send them dancing into the world A Conventicle in short is a Nursery for pack'd Juries Injustice and Rebellion and to invert what you say a Quarter of Tares and scarce a Handful of Wheat in it But if there should be any good men any Gouges now See the Tryal of Char. I. his Judges alive amongst them they must fare as some of our late Kings foolish Judges who were onely Hearers and did sit onely for Company but were hang'd though against their wills for Company too Prejud But the man says they do exercise according to the Liturgy of the Church of England The Liturgy of the Church of England contains no more Spec. Crape than onely Truth The Dissenters speak and pray according to Truth Ergo The first Proposition you your selves will grant for if the Liturgy contains any thing besides Truth it contains a Lie c. which you will never own And then that the Dissenters preach nothing but Truth nay the Truth of Truth Divine Truth all the world will grant Reas No I my self will never grant it I will shew you a Book called The Dissenters Sayings one of these days where if you don't find their Doctrien to be faithfully collected and in them cursed Lies the Lies of Lies Hollish Lies I will be contented to take that punishment upon me which the Dissenters deserve But as to the Argument the Author shews he had forgot his Logick at this time there be two Brethren of it and very much like it in another Author If Impotency be a sufficient Tory Plot p. 15. 19. cause for dissolving the sacred tie of Marriage because the main end of Marriage the propagating Mankind is thereby frustrated it may be equally reasonable to debar the D. of Y. the Espousal a pretty Conceit of the Government who is perverted to an utter incapacity of answering the ends of it Again If a Papist can exclude unlawfully a Protestant a Protestant may unlawfully exclude a Papist And of another Author whom I have forgot at present that would prove the Scripture not to be the Word of God because the Word was made Flesh Ergo This by the by now to the main point If the Liturgy contains nothing but Truth they that speak and pray according to Truth speak and pray according to the Liturgy If this Glass contains nothing but Wine he that drinks up the Wine swallows down the Glass Look upon your Argument a second time and tell me if you dare that there is Consequence in it A man that stands upon Bow Steeple and repeats the Commandments that preaches Christ and him crucified in High-ways and Ditches speaks and prays according to Truth yet notwithstanding this person shall be look'd upon as irregular and prophane and punish'd accordingly In short the Liturgy of the Church of England is a certain Form and Manner agreed upon by Authority for the better Vtterance of the Truth and therefore he onely that acts according to this Form and Manner comes to Church c. does act according to the Liturgy of the Church of England Prejud Sir this is an Argument that we have cherished for these many years and I am sure 't is impossible for you to confute it in so short a time as you pretend to do We lose our Christian Liberty if we must be forced to obey this Form We lose our Christian Liberty when by Human Laws things indifferent are determined either the one way or the other Now Ceremonies and Liturgy are indifferent things if they were not determined by Authority And why Ecclesiastical Constitutions should 1 Arg. determine us precisely to one side in the use of indifferent things which God and Christ have left free I know no Reason By inducing a necessity upon the thing they enjoyn 2 Arg. they take upon them to alter the nature of things and make that to become necessary which is indifferent which God onely can do It makes these indifferent things of absolute necessity unto 3 Arg. Salvation forasmuch as it is necessary to Salvation to do that which he is bound in Conscience to do and you say we must in Conscience obey Superiours so that by this device Surplice Organs Kneeling at the Communion Bowing at the Name of Jesus c. are necessary to Salvation I say all this is a grand Imposition upon Christian Liberty Reas I will answer these Arguments with as much brevity as I can and abstract from the large Discourse which Bishop Sanderson affords you To the first Argument I answer That the determining of any thing in unam partem taketh not away a mans Liberty For the Liberty of a Christian to any thing indifferent Bishop Sanderson consisteth in this that his Judgment is thorowly persuaded of the indifferency of it and therefore 't is the determination of the Judgment in the Opinion of the thing not in the Vse of it that taketh away Christian Liberty For Example If my Friend invite me to Supper shall I not promise him to come because the Liberty I had before to go or not go will be determined by making such a Promise It is a very vain power and indifferency that may not be brought into act or actually determined but God made no power in vain as is long ago agreed upon both by Philosophers and Divines To the second Argument I answer That the nature of the thing enjoyned is not changed but still indifferent though for some conveniences there is an Order to use them added to that Indifferency To the third 'T is the Obedience that is necessary to Salvation as being immediately commanded by God and not the things commanded for they are still indifferent A Master commands his Servant to go to Market or wear a Livery the Servant is bound in Conscience to obey his Master but his going to Market or his wearing a Livery the things supposed to be commanded by every one must be concluded to be indifferent