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A new dialoge called the endightment agaynste mother Messe; Endightment agaynste mother Messe
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Punt, William.
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womaÌ„ that hath committed open treason theft and murder Iuge howe sayst thou woman why answeres not thou to thy complaint Messe my lord I do denye it they are not able to proue it nor no such thiÌ„gs as they laye vnto my charge Veryte it please you my lord that thing that my brother knowlege hath layde to hyr charge ys true and we are able to proue yt Messe Where in haue I coÌ„mytted this opeÌ„ treason theft and murder that you lai vnto my charge I am she that hath ben of a long continuauÌ„ce instituted made by christ and his apostles aprouid by diuers holy doctors for the space af this vi C. yeares I haue ben takeÌ„ halowed amoÌ„g the cheafest as a woman mooste necessarie for the peoples saluatyon and seing that I am sprituall and Allowed by so many holy fathers ordeyned by the holy scryptures and aproued by diuers holy doctors my think my lord you should not alow the accusations of these two men but punish them the other meughte take an ensample therby know my lord if it please you to heare my brother veritie I we wyl proue that thing true that we haue laid vnto her charge for wher as I sayd that she is a traytour it is tru my lord by her owne wordes for where as paule sayth in the .x. to the Hebrewes that we are sanctified by the offering vp of the bodye of Iesu Christ ones for al yet this blasphemous monster is readi dayly with her priestes ministring and oft times offreth one maner of offerings which caÌ„ neuer take away sinnes but thys maÌ„ Iesu Christ the sonne of god when he had offered for sinnes one sacrifice which is of valew for euer sate him downe on the right hand of God and from hensforth tarteth tyll his foes be made hys fotestole for with one offering hath he made parfect for euer theÌ„ that are saÌ„tified thus we he taught in saiÌ„t Paules doctrine therfore it is not for vs nor no other creatur to beleue this wicked womaÌ„s doctrine for she saith that she can offer vp the body of Christ euery day to take away sinne which is blaspheme and treason for saint-Paule saith in the .vii. to the Hebrewes that he dyd that ones for all when he offerred vp hym selfe wherbi bi hir doctriÌ„e she doth crucify Christ euery day anew which is to be knowne thought that she is a vtter enime to god his word ye amore worse traitor then whas Iudas which betraied christe for Iudas wheÌ„ he had once betraied hiÌ„ delyuered hym in to the handes of his enymis strait way he knew he had done wyckedly through dispaier he whente hanged hym selfe but this traiterly woman ys not conteÌ„t with crucifieng him once or twyse a day or one day but she wil crucifi him v C. times eueridai in the yeare thinke yt al to litell not onely that but she causeth the people to beleue with cruel persecucioÌ„ that it is necessary for maÌ„s saluatioÌ„ thus I proue hir no leasse then a tretor with doth crucifi christ a new also athef which robith god of his honor as for murderiÌ„g she doth not onely sle theÌ„ with hir damnable doctrine to go from the truth of our saluation vnto her false doctrine to oure condempnacion but also all them that woulde not beleue it to be trewe and stycke to they re opinion wyth cruell persecutyon suffered deathe As Rychard Hunne Roberte Kyng Iohan Debinham Nycolas Marshe Thomas Saxâ—e Thomas HittoÌ„ Thomas Bylney Richard Bifelde with Teukesbery colyns WillyaÌ„ Leton george bainham Ihon frith IhoÌ„ LaÌ„bert WuliaÌ„ Tindale Robert Barnes with Gerard HieroÌ„ v C more that she hath shed of innocent bloud by this I proue hir a traitor a thefe a murderer I aÌ„ sure your lordshyp wyll not say nay vnto it Iug no truly that I will not if it be so how saist thou womaÌ„ is it so speade Messe my lord if it plese your lordship in dede I offer a sacrifice for the siÌ„nes of the people for al syknes diseses euil chaunses and for faier wether rain which is christes bodi blod but they can not ê“ue by the that I am neither traitor thefe nor murderer for the scriptures beare me in that that I do Knou Why Esai the prophet in his fyrste chapter saith that the lord doth abore youre Sacrifice euen at his very harte and wyl you compel hym to take it whether he wyl ye or no and if he had delighted in sacrifices as Dauid sayeth in hys myserere I woulde haue gyuen it the Lorde but thou delighteste not in none sacrifice lorde here Dauid declareth howe he hath no pleasure in them which is sufficieÌ„t inough to proue you false in that poiÌ„t and wher as you say that the scriptures beare you in it I prai you in what place of scryptures do yow bear your self I could neuer rede that ther was any messe in Christ nor his Apostles time Messe No what though the nam be not meÌ„tioned in the Scriptures yet the thing it selfe is mentioned there for in me is Christ hym selfe in the form of bread and wine made by such wordes as is taken out of the scripturs which christ lefte for vs as in Mat .xxvi. Mar xiiii Lu .xxii. also as paul declareth in the .i. epistell to the Cor .xi. chap wherin he saith that the lord Iesus the sam night in which he was betrayed toke bred and thaÌ„ked and brake said take ye eat ye thys is mi bodi which is brokeÌ„ for you now then if Christ doth saye this is my body will you sai it is not his body Veritie no verely that I wyll not but yet my lord shall rightly know both thou and thy doctrine to be false supersticion for where as thou saist that christ is in the In the forme of bread wyne after the wordes spoken taken out of scripture which is as moch to sai hoc est corpus meum this is my body truth it is the christ said this is my body but first you shal knowe the when christe sat among the twelue Apostles hauing the bodi that the virgin marye bare that same body that the virgin mary bare toke the bread iÌ„ his hand gaue thankes brake it gaue it to his disciples nowe you shal know that the scripture saith that Iesu christ becam in all poyntes lyke vnto man sauinge synne nowe I ricken that one mans body can be but in one place at one tyme howe thynke you mother messe Mess I mary that is true a mans bodye can be but In one place at one time in dede verytie Well then when the Descyples had receyued the breade of the bodye that the Vyrgynne marye bare where was that bodye then had they Eate it vp or was it styl presente before them Messe No theye had not eate it vp but it
was still present before them Veriti Well then That same bodye after it had Suffred death and rose agayne yt assended vp to heauen and let hym downe on the ryght hande of his father there tarieth tyll his foes be made hys fote stole nowe that bodye is in heauen you wyll graunt me thys Messe I verelye that is true veryt Howe chanse it theÌ„ that you wyll make the People beleue that the SubstauÌ„ce of bred and wyne is turned frome hys kynde vnto the verye Bodye of Chryste that the Vyrgyn marye hate after these woordes spoken this ys my bodye not that onelye but you make thereof a sacryfyce for the remyssyon of synne bothe for qwick dead which is great blaspheme to the blode of chryste they that woulde not so beleue sholde suffer moste cruell payne death wher by ye haue crucified christ anew in his membres being no leasse theÌ„ amourderer a there that robbeth god of his honor Messe why sir god is omnipotent Veryte I verely that is truth Messe why then he may do all thinges seing he is almighty speakiÌ„g these wordes hoc est cor pusmeum thys ys my body why shuld you then be repugnant againste the truthe and saye that yt ys not hys Bodye where as he saythe hym selfe that yt is hys bodye and thys I am sure of my Lorde that all them that louithe me and he that ys in me whiche ys god hym selfe as I knowe there ys a greate meanye dothe they wyll saye no lease but that I am ordeyned of God and that in seyng me they se god hym selfe which mad them died vpoÌ„ the crosse for them all and if they receue me they receiue their maker the body of christ fleashe blod and bone as yt hanged on the crosse and thus all them that fauerithe louithe me wilbeleue no leasse Iug why I perceiue now thou hast spoken againste god hys worde heresy and blaspheme Knouvlege I truly my lorde she word make the word of god of non effecte for by hir saying god dwelleth in teÌ„ples made wtston yea she techeth the peple to beleue no lesse theÌ„ lo Messe why my lord seiÌ„g that I am made by god his apostles ordeined to be maÌ„s saluatyon I thinke there is no maÌ„ that loueth me but wyll say that where as I am there is god for the scripturs prophesied that messyas should come which should saue the people I am she my abidyng is in Temples of stone whiche is gods teÌ„ple so well as mine for loke wher as I am ther is he knou Why the womaÌ„ of samaria ê“phesied messias to be a he not a shewher as she said I wotwell messias shal com which is called christ wheÌ„ he is com he shal tel vs altogether here she callyth hym a he not a she messias where as you say that god dwellith in teÌ„ples made of stone you shal know ye. s steuen saith that god dwelleth not in teÌ„ples made with handes also s paule saith no lesse to the xvii af the actes the god which made the worlde and all that are in it dwelleth not in temples made with hande neyther is worshiped with mens haÌ„des as salomon saith in the thirde boke of the kings the vi Chaptre that he builded him a house howbeit he that is hygheste dwelleth not in the teÌ„ples made with haÌ„des as saith the Prophet Esaye Heauen is my seate and the yearth is my fotestoole what house wyll ye buylde for me sayth the Lorde or what place is it that I should reste in hath not my handes made al these thinges now this blasphemous woman doth cause the people to beleaue that he dwelleth in temples made wyth handes causing the peple to take hir fals gods for the lyning god wher as these honest meÌ„ doth witnes the coÌ„trary which is suffitient inogh I trust my lord to proue her false iÌ„ that poiÌ„t whereas she saith my lord that he that receyueth her after the consecration meaning the breade and wine two false goddes receaueth the body of Christ flesh bloude bone but after such a fashion toke the Iewes the woorde of God in the. vi of Iohan when he said the breade that I wyll geue is my fleshe whiche I wyll geue for the lyfe of the world now the Iewes toke it grossly and stroue among them selues saying how can this fellowe gyue his fleash to eat as doth thys woman these wordes of christe this ys my bodye takin the bare leter nothing consideriÌ„g the closing vp ther of wher as he saith so ofteÌ„ as you shal eat this breo drink of this cuppe it shal shew the lords death tyl he com if he be ther as this woman saith as I know he is not let this nam sacramente be cleane abolisshed for he maketh yt but asynification of the deathe of christ not christe hym selfe but rather you must proue the Scripturs false which callithe yt a sacramente or ells proue your selfe to be the Antechrist that Christe byd vs beware of whiche sholde exalt hym selfe in the seate wher the lyuiÌ„g god shold syt whiche is in mannes consience these to be two false gods which you sai ys the lyuing god if the Scrypturs be true you be atraitor a these a murderer if they be not true a proue them your selfe Messe syr I can not denye but that the scripturs be true Iuge then thou condemnyst thy selfe a knowledgynge by thyn owne wordes to be giltye in that these two honeste men dolay to thy charg Peter my Lord yf yt please you the accussacions of thes two men ys true she ys gyltye in the thinge that they lay vnto hyr charge wherfore my lorde yt shall not neade to panyell a queaste of hir for she hathe condeÌ„ned hir selfe by hyr owne wordes all we twelue breathern will graunt ther vnto no leasse Iuge Why what thynke ye ys she gyltye or vngyltye Peter gyltye my lorde if yt please youre lordship or anye other man to loke in the .vi. of baruc the prophete you sholde knowe wether she or that that ys iÌ„â—â—rbe a god ye or no Iuge wel woman by the worde of god thou art condemned vnto deathe for treason theft and murder and seyng thou arte so thou shalte dye the deathe Stifnec my lord my brother couetus and I wold desyre your lordeshyp that you wolde be so good as to let her go vnto the place froÌ„ wence she came fyrste Iuge no that she shall not for yt way chaÌ„ce that she maye do moche harme in the weye as she gotthe Stifnec my lorde yf yt please you to set two honest men to ouer se hyr my brother couetes and I wylbe glad to beare there costs what so euer yt be Iuge Well at your desyer she shal go but ye shal be bownde vnto me that you shall se hir convied ouer Stifnec my Lorde that we wyll with all oure hartes