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A86648 The common salvation contended for, and the faith which was once delivered to the saintsĀ· Or, An answer to a book called a plain answer to eighteen queries of Iohn Whitehead, put forth by William Kays, who calls himself minister of the Gospel at Stokesly; wherein he hath perverted the faith once delivered to the saints, and pleads for those things which the Scripture declares against, and so he is made manifest, not to be a minister of the everlasting Gospel, but preachesanother [sic] Gospel. The queries laid down, and the substance of his answer, with a reply to his answer. / By one who is a friend to all, who wait for the appearance of Iesus Christ without sin to salvation, known to the world by the name. Francis Howgill. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1655 (1655) Wing H3155; Thomason E824_3; ESTC R18577 18,636 20

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The common SALVATION CONTENDED FOR And the Faith which was once delivered TO THE SAINTS OR An Answer to a Book called a plain answer to eighteen Queries of Iohn Whitehead put forth by William Kays who calls himself Minister of the Gospel at Stokesly Wherein he hath perverted the faith once delivered to the Saints and pleads for those things which the Scripture declares against and so he is made manifest not to be a Minister of the everlasting Gospel but preaches another Gospel The Queries laid down and the substance of his Answer with a Reply to his Answer By one who is a friend to all who wait for the appearance of Iesus Christ without sin to salvation known to the world by the name FRANCIS HOWOILL LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert and are to be sold at the Black-spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls The common SALVATION CONTENDED FOR And the faith which was once delivered TO THE SAINTS FIrst as to the Title of thy Book thy plain answer as thou calst it thou art plainly made manifest to be among the false Prophets and the Scribes and Pharises and the false Brethren which the Lord sent his true Prophets to bear witness against and which Christ cryed wo against and the Apostles exhorted them who were in the faith to turn away from and art one that is gone out into the world separated from the light from the life from the practice of all the holy men of God who spoke forth the Scripture as they were moved by the holy Ghost had they declared against all these things that thou art pleading for like Demetrius and yet thou wilt tell of the Scripture being thy rule thy rule shall try thee and thou shalt be laid to it and it will condemn thee and the life of all the Saints and the practice of them who dwelt in the light will bear witness against thee thy hidden mysteries which thou speakst are seen by the invisible eye of God and thy deceit and thy adding to the Scriptures and thy perverting of Christs words and thy imaginations upon their words who dwelt in the light and one day thou shalt witness the Lord who is just will plead with thee for it when by thy serpents wisdom which is in the curse and in the disobedience and thou pleadst expresly against Christs own words and holdst up the types which was in the first Covenant and yet wilt not act according to the first Covenant and so art one that denyes Christ the substance the everlasting Covenant the oath of God and yet calls thy self a Minister of the Gospel thy Gospel he and all that knows his voice will deny thee and it who teaches for doctrine the traditions of men and sets up an image of many mixtures that all may fall down and worship which thou hast built and set up in thy sensual carnal wisdom and would have all to worship the image of the beast that sits upon many wa●ers but the Lord i● risen to cut it down and stamp upon it and grind it to dust and the whirlwind of the Lord shall blow it away and thou and all who hath worshipped the Beast shall be broken by him who is set for the rise and fall of many in Israel and all those things that thou hast set up in thy carnal mind and calls them the Ordinances of God shall become as the broth of abominable things and as the slaying of a man and all who worship their own imaginations both the circumcised and the uncircumcised will the Lord cut off together for the Lord is arisen to plead with all the enemies of Zion and his sword shall be fatted with the blood of the slain for prophaness is gone forth from the Teachers of this Nation who abide not in the doctrine of Christ to the ends and costs thereof and the Lord is grieved and the earth shall disclose her blood and the slain shall no longer be covered but the deceiver of the Nations shall be cast forth and great shall be the lamentation of the Merchants of Babylon and Iesabel that hath slain Prophets now is suffered to prophesie and many are deceived by her witchcrafts but she shall be cast into a bed of sorrow and she shall be dashed in pieces and the dogs shall lick her blood for behold he is risen who is King of Kings and he makes war in righteousness and his name is called the Word of God and out of his mouth proceeds fire that shall consume the men of the earth and all who have not the Image of the Father written in their foreheads The fire is kindled already in the earth and the slain is great and many shall gnaw their tongues for pain and shall be consumed to ashes and he will plead with all the false Prophets and Merchants in Babylou as in the valey of Iehosaphet and his wrath is kindled as in the days of Gibin and the Heathen shall all perish by the edge of the sword lamentation and howling and wo and sorrow and bitterness shall come upon all who have professed his name and his words and yet put him to open shame and denies the end of his coming which is to redeem his people from their sins and to present them unto God without spot or wrinkle which many in this generation teachers and people are pleading for sin and yet say Christ is made manifest but this answer all such shall have depart workers of iniquity I. Query Whether thou have the same eternal infallible spirit that gave forth the Scripture yea or no Answ. Thou saith thou darest not conceal to bear witness with thy conscience that thou hast in some small measure the same spirit which was in the Saints yet an infallible spirit thou canst not own and calst it a Popish tenent and thou saith Christ had such a spirit that did not erre and further thou saith if any Minister as Iohn in the Revelation shall wander yet the Lord can is he hath a mercy unto his people make the people to receive nothing but wholsome doctrine Reply Here thou hast made thy self manifest unto all that thou hast no measure of the spirit neither great nor small not of the same spirit which was in the Saints for the spirit which the Saints had was the spirit of Christ which is the spirit of truth and infallible and led them into all truth and this Spirit thou blasphemer calls a Popish tenent and so accuses Christ and the Saints Was it one spirit which dwelt in the Saints and another spirit that Christ had and here thou speakst contrary to the Scripture as many as are the Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God and they that have not the Spirit of Christ are none of his and all who walked in the spirit and were led by the spirit were led out of pollution and the lust of the flesh and out of error and out of all deceit and they had received the anointing which
was truth and no lie and it guided them into all truth and here thou wouldst divide the Spirit of Christ from the Saints and here thy spirit is made manifest not to be that spirit which was in the Saints and which was in Christ but thy spirit is fallible that saith that infallible spirit disgraces the Ministery such a Minister thou art that a fallible spirit and a spirit of error is thy glory and therefore I say that spirit is not distinct from the Saints which was in Christ but one there is one spirit by which all the Ministers of Christ were guided and they were Ministers of the Spirit which was infallible and true and eternal and bore witness of him who was true and eternal and thou calst this a Popish tenent art raised out and judged by the Scripture not to have the same and so art no Minister nor witness of the infallible eternal spirit but speaks in thy own name And thou art accusing Iohn that he did wander as Iohn did in the Revelation thou saith and so would make Iohn a wandering star like thy self which Iude speaks of who art fallen into the earth out of the firmament and so would bring reproach upon him who witnessed the Spirit and was in the spirit and dwelt in it but thy shame is made manifest and now the eternal spirit is witnessed which is infallible and they will receive thy doctrine no longer for it is not wholsome but contrary to the Scripture II. Query Whether thou know the rules of Christ and whether thou wert immediately called by him to be a Minister or Pastor of the Gospel yea or no Answ. Thou saith so often as thou hast the word rightly divided in opening of the same in any Chapter or verse so often thou hast heard the the voice of Christ and thou sayest thou dost not deny the reaching of the spirit to be an extraordinary voice of Christ and that thou hast heard and so thou witnesses an immediate call and yet thou sayest our imperfect actions being made perfect by Christ thou witnesses an immediate call Reply Thou that tells of opening Chapters or Verses by meanings thou never heard the word of Christ and I say unto thee as Christ said to the Pharisees which had Moses and the Prophets they had neither heard his voice nor seen his shape and they which have not the word abiding in them never heard his word and therefore if thou never hear of God or from Christ but what is written without thee thou never yet heard his Word the Word of God endures for ever Chapters and Verses endures not for ever but thou art made manifest when thou canst not hear what is already writ nor receive it nor understand it without meanings and therefore brings their words down to thy reason and cals that the Word of God and thou calst the teachings of the spirit the extraordinary voice of Christ where reads thou in the Scripture of an ordinary and extraordinary voice of the spirit and here be a witness against thy self in thy answer to the fourth Query the fourth page of thy book to say thou had not known the spirit nor the anointing but by the Scripture and the Scripture is not the spirit and here thy immediate call is the like that which is visible and without thee is not immediate and here thou art tryed that thou knowest nothing at all but by hearsay and so thou art a falle witness and thou saith our imperfect actions are made perfect by Christ when that which is perfect is come imperfection is done away but that which thou calls thy imperfect actions he comes not to be perfect but to destroy but to thee is a mystery III. Query Whether the Word thou preachest is the same from the beginning which thou hast heard and seen and hast been taught immediately by the Revelation of Iesus Christ yea or no Answ. The Word that thou preaches is so muth the same thou saith from the beginning as a River is the same that runs continually from the fountain and as God is pleased to appear in his outward administrators Reply He who is the fountain is eternal which was in the beginning and before all things and endures for ever and they who witness him preach him and have seen him and tasted of the water of life which they were witness of Iohn the first but the River which thou drinkest is as the brooks of Teman spoken of in Iob and shall be dried up and as Euphrates that shall be dried up and the Kings of the East shall pass over it and the time is come already blessed be the Lord for ever but thy fountain at the best is but the letter without thee that was since the beginning and thy old Authors and thy carnal wisdom which is in the curse and this is thy highest attainments and thy administrations if thou hadst not had the letter without thee thou hadst not known such a thing and then where had all thy preaching been as in the fourth page of thy book thou mayest remember that thou saidst thou hadst not known God but by that others have left upon record and therefore cease from thy divining for thou canst not witness what thou speakest but as thou stealest others words IV. Query Whether ever any shall grow up under thy Ministery that they shall that no man teach them and whether thou own the anointing or had known there had been such a thing if the Scripture had not spoken of it yea or no Answ. Concerning thy Ministery there is no such promise thou sayest made to any mans Ministery Reply Here thou hast manifested thy Ignorance of the Ministery of Christ for they turned many from darkness to light and from Satan unto God and it was and is the very end wherefore the Ministers was sent forth for the perfecting of the Saints and to lead them from imperfection to persection and a perfect man in Christ Iesus and they were sent out for this end and are now sent out to direct all minds and the Apostle laboured and travelled that he might present them without spot or wrinkle unto God and in that thou saith there is no promise to the Ministry of man in that thou sayest truly but they which were Ministers of the Gospel they neither were learned of man nor had it from man and so thou acknowledgest thy Ministry to be of man and so art not a Minister of Christ but of Anti-christ and thou saith if the anointing should onely teach there would be no flock here thou art blind and knows nothing is not Christ the anointing and Christs sheep hear his voice and he putteth them forth and goeth before them and he leadeth his flock like a shepheard but thou that preaches for hire and divinest for money and they that follow thee are not of this flock and as concerning thy knowledge of the anointing thou saith thou mayest say as Paul said of
against thy Ministery that it perfects none into holiness and into the Image of God and thou sayest thou hopes we may see in the Epbes 4. 13. Concerning the fulness of the stature of Christ and further by faith then all our defects imperfections and sins are not imputed as therby God may apply the righteousness of Christ whereby we may see no transgression in Jacob we are and all Believers must come to the measure of the perfection of Christ Reply What Paul spoke to the Ephesians we know is true but what is this to thee and those who are out of Pauls way and life in the way of the false Prophets and of the Scribes and Pharisees and the defects and imperfections and sins must lie upon your own head for Christ will be no cloak unto you in your iniquities to cloak your hypocrisie and deceit if you had faith then should you be purified from Imperfection for faith is perfect and so are all that live by it and for thy word apply the righteousness of Christ it is not the language of the spirit of God which gave forth the Scripture for the righteousness of Christ is not to be applied to the head of the wicked nor to cover wickedness but to destroy it but where sin stands it will be imputed for God cannot acquit the wicked and he that sins is not of Iacobs seed but of Esaus and the righteousness of Christ is not unto that birth and thou and all thy Believers who art in defects and imperfections and in your sins art in the stature and measure of Cain and Ishmael and not of the stature of the same God who art free from all unrighteousness and defects and imperfections XI Query Whether they be not Ministers of Antichrist and never were sent of Christ that deny perfection which they are sent of Christ to bring unto yea or no Answ. Nay they are not Reply here thou hast manifested the ignorance and confusion who in thy answer to the nineth Query said it yea it was the end of sending faith the Ministers for the perfecting of the Saints and now then sayest they are not Ministers of Antichrist which denyes perfection and so speaks a plain contradiction and so out of thy own mouth shalt thou be condemned and let all whose eye is open see and behold thy deceit and blindness and so also manifest thy selt that thou was never sent of Christ who hath brought up none to perfection But sayest they are not Ministers of Antichrist that denies perfection and yet sayes the Ministers of Christ was sent to that end to bring up unto perfection and further thou sayest that exhorting the world to look to the light that is within them they shall never come to perfection none must think or imagine Reply Here thou hast uttered Blasphemy and quite contrary to Christs own words who saith I am the light of the world he that follows me shall have the light of life and this is perfection and be it known unto thee and unto all that no other light we direct or exhorts unto but the light of Christ within which is sufficient to lead to perfection as Christ himself saith his light leads to the light of life all that walk in it and thou saith contrary and so speaks-against Christ and would make his light imperfect and not able to lead to perfection and part found an enemy to him and mayest stop thy mouth for shame who art ignorant of the Scripture and whilst thou professes it art found both walking and speaking contrary to it XII Query Whether he that is born of God do commit sin yea or no and whether he that committeth sin is of the Devil yea or no Answ. He that is born of God is exhorted to repent and may be deluded and thou affirmatively says that those that are born of God may sin as all the Saints have experienced Reply Here thou more plainly hast shewed thy self to be a perverter of the Scripture and one that speaks contrary to it for he who is born of God is the Image of God and needs no repentance he which was born of God was commended by God and not exhorted to repent as that Scripture which thou hast named Rev. 2. shall witness but he which was fallen from the birth-born of God was exhorted to repent and thou sayest he that is born of God may be deluded and the Scripture saith it is not possible that the elect should be deceived and here again thou speaks contrary to the Scripture and thou sayest affirmatively that those that are born of God may sin and here again thou speaks contrary to the Scripture which saith he that is born of God cannot sin Now let shame cover thy face and let thy own conscience convince thee that thou art a perverter of the Scripture to thy own destruction and so art unlearned and without true experience for that experience and those Saints which thou speaks of which experiences that which is contrary to the plain words of Scripture which was the experiences of true Saints is damnable experiences and servants of the Devil and cannot be believed by them who are true Saints and have true experiences according to the working of the holy Ghost in them and further thou sayest that Scripture 1 Iohn 3. 8 9. may be hard to be understood yet taking good notice the truth is easily reconci●ed and thou sayest this is his meaning that the child of God sinneth not after the similitude manner or measure or nature that the devil his reprobates sins so to make good what thou sayest thou hast added to Iohns words his seed remains in him whereby he shall repent him of his sin this last thou hast deceitfully added as also hast added after the similitude manner or measure or nature that the Devil and his reprobates sins let all seareh the Scripture and see if Iohn speak any such thing and so gives thy sensual meaning of Iohns words quite contrary to what he spoke for further he said he that sins is of the devil and never knew God and thou affirms he that is born of God which know God may sin and so divides the Scripture and adds thy own imaginations unto it and so thou mayest read thy portion in it God will add all his plagues unto thee and truth needs no reconciling for it is in verity and cannot be understood by thee who art unlearned and therefore thou wrests it and further thou sayest a child of God being renewed through Gospel-repentance sins not devil like unto death or damnation Reply O thou blind Pharisce a child of God needs no repentance and all sin is of and like the Devil his image the Scripture saith he that sins is of the Devil thou sayest contrary and speaks of sin not to be like the Devil and here again art speaking contrary to the Scripture And further thou sayest thou dost say that the child of God as he