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A66530 The lying spirit and false aspertions turned home again, or, An answer to two reviling letters about the peoples right to tythes sent to the people call'd Quakers in the Vail of Bellvier by Clement Nedham, a Presbyterian, who writes himself, a farmer in the county of Leicester : wherein I have shew'd according to scriptures, what spirit it was that brought up tythes among the Christians, so call'd : and that those that brought them up since Christ put an end to them were not in their right senses, but were made drunk by drinking of that spirit of error that made them do they knew not what, and consequently their examples not to be followed : with an addition, shewing, that the impropriator hath less right to tythes then the poor or priest, if less can be : with a few words in love to all those that send their sons to those places called universities, with an intent to make them ministers : also a copy of a letter sent to G.N. in manuscript, wherein his unhansom and unchristian-like dealings may be seen : with a short postcript to the reader / by J.W. ... Willsford, John. 1673 (1673) Wing W2872; ESTC R40124 16,433 28

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Servants of the Lord. The Quakers have not forgot how you carried away as your own the Crime that is laid to them their Pots and Pans Hay and Corn and put the Servants of the Lord in Prison when they could not feed your Lying Prophets or when they spoak to them in the Steeple-houses But the Lord brought you down and the Quakers and Tremblers at the Word of the Lord whom ye derided stand as Witnesses against you So C. N. thou and thy Party may take this to your selves to the Shame and Infamy of your whole Profession For Persecution is a Shame and Infamy to any Profession whatever And have not you Presbyterians hid your selves as in an Inner Chamber when a Storm hath come But when the Sun hath shined and the Storm been over like Snakes ye have come out of your Holes witness John Woodhouse's Meeting and thine C. N. at Wortenby and at Salxelby in Leicester-shire near unto us we have seen your Devised Service often blasted according to C. N.'s Belief Again In try 13th page thou sayest And now my Friends if you are convinced that Tythes are none of yours consider think it not sufficient to expiate your Guilt by saying in your usual Language Let them that are free to pay Tythes pay them Answ It seems thou thinkest thou hast done something as thy words and now my Friends imply But I must tell thee We are convinced that we have as good right to the Tenth Part as we have to the other Nine and that for these Reasons First Because Christ fulfilled and put an End to that Law that gave Tythes as before I have proved Secondly Those that brought them up again were made Drunk by drinking of the Whore's Golden Cup which was full of Abominations within and consequently their Examples are not to be followed Thirdly We believe That every part and parcel of our Lands is our own so far as our Deeds and Leafes make mention and the Increase is God's lent to us And we are commanded Not to spend our Money for that which is not Bread and our Labour for that which satisfieth not Isaiah Chap. 55. And I must tell thee We are not satisfied with the Priests neither do we believe that they can give us the Bread of Life and therefore we cannot pay them Again Thou biddest us Turn to the Light or Law in our Consciences and then tell thee whether the following Conclusions must not necessarily fall to the Shame and Infamy of our whole Profession Answ Before thou callst it a Pretended Light and now dost thou directest us unto it but it matters not what thou callest it we know it to be true Light and have turned to it and we find that thy Conclusions do not fall upon us but we see that thou art like the Persecuting Jews who numbred Christ among Thieves and would rather have a Murderer or a Malefactor to live then he And what was the Cause of the Jews Envy against Christ Was it not because they thought in their Dark Imaginations he did something contrary to their Law It is like if one should have asked them Who made their Law they in their Dark Hellish Natures would have said God gave it to Moses and Moses said in the four and twentieth Chapter of Leviticus and the sixteenth Verse He that Blasphemeth the Name of the Lord shall surely be put to Death And was not this the Crime they laid to him But God forbid that I or any true Christian should believe that these words concerned him so as to ensnare him although they in their Dark Minds might so understand them And C. 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What is the Cause that thou countest us more Criminal then common Notorious Thieves Is it not because thou in thy Dark Imaginations thinkest that we do something contrary to Law But if one should ask thee Who made thy Law thou condemnest us by Sayest thou Such and such Popish Kings made Laws for the Payment of Tythes and you Quakers Refuse to pay them and therefore if Ignorance will not nothing else can excuse you before God or Man from being more Criminal then Common Notorious Thieves And here art not thou worse then the Jews who pleaded a Law that was before the Papists though they understood it wrong Thou sayest Might not Popish Kings do what they would with their own I answer Yes But the Increase of our Labour and Flocks and Fields that God blesseth unto us this year was not theirs to give that dyed Hundreds of Years past And did not Persecutors plead Law in all Ages against the Innocent and for their Mass and other things and thought they went right when they had Law on their sides Search Scriptures and Chronicles and see if it were not so And do not the Persecutors plead Law now for the taking away of Goods and that from some of you called Presbyterians And may not some in Ages to come upon the same Ground that thou pleadest for Tythes plead it Right according to Law to take away Goods if any meet together to Worship God if he prevent it not Oh! that men should be so blind to plead against themselves But thy Pleading signifies a Daubing In the 14th page of thy Book thou sayest Our usual Demand what Scripture can be produced to prove any Examples for Paymen of Tythes to Gospel Ministers Answ Thou seemest to sleight us for so doing and what a Stir have the Presbyterians made about calling the Scriptures the Word and Rule and now if one speak according to them he is counted as one that seems to have neither Common Sense nor Reason or at best a Confident Weak Defendent witness thy Reviling Postscript concerning my first Letter thou sayest VVe ignorantly deny Scriptures to be the Rule to try and distinguish betwixt True and False Spirits But whither art thou gone Thy Nakedness of Pretence to Truth is exposed to censure through thy own Ignorant Folly What are all the Pleaders for Tythes driven out of the Scriptures And are they forced to flee to the Humane Law Presbyterians What is the Bible become of no use now Must not the Pope's Authority be questioned It is enough to believe as your Mother Church believes Whither are you running Come back again come back again for shame else the Lord will follow you and ye shall not have a Hiding-place it is the Word of the Lord in my Heart to you all that you may be warned C. N. demands of us VVhether Scripture Example be not equal binding to people as well as Ministers Answ That Example of selling all and laying down at Ministers Feet is not binding Acts 5.3 4. Peter said to Ananias VVhy hath Satan filled thine Heart with a Lye to the Holy Ghost whilst it remained was it not thine own and after it was sold was it not in thine own Power So see this Example was not binding the Sin lay in Lying against God in pretending to give All and yet kept a Part back