Jupudent bragges wit learning reading iudgment vertue true piety qualities of all other likeliest to discerne and abandon error to her Teachers Doctors ever enioyed the like store of such lights as our Oppositors had never reason to compare with or if they do the extant monumeÌ„ts in schoole positiue mysticall divinity and in all other literature will quickly shew the inequalitie and disproportion of the comparison Resolution of the 23. Reason Popish religion hath now and in all ages hath had the most famous men for wit learning reading iudgment vertue true pietie to her Teachers and Doctors Ergo. Poperie is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 WHat other Answere should I make vnto a bold impudent shamelesse false assertion without proofe or shew of probability but Thou lyest Satan 2 I will not name any now-living to avoide suspition of flatterie ONE Calvin ONE Peter Martyr ONE Melancthon ONE Iuell ONE Vrsine ONE Zanchius ONE Humfreyes ONE Whitakers ONE Iunius ONE Perkins to let infinite others passe had more sound learning infinitely more true pietie then ALL the Popish Teachers and Doctors that ever were are or shall bee ever had now have or ever hereafter can haue Reason of Religion 24 24 REASON OF RELIGION A religion whose publike and a Popish church service is blasphemie against GOD and a mockerie of religion Church service is executed with that maiestie honorable grauity and reverence the severall parts and b Popish Ceremonies are mens precepts conemed by Christ Mat. 15. ceremonies thereof so aptly and admirablie composed ordered for annuall commemoration representing of our Saviours incarnation birth life passion buriall resurrection ascension of the comming downe of the Holy Ghost of the mystery of the Trinitie and of other passages as well of Christ our head as of his members the Saints as it begetteth feedeth reneweth singular devotion in the actors hearers is also so comfortable in her c The comfors which the Popish SacrameÌ„ts afforde is deceaveable like vnto the hungrit mans dreame Esa 29.8 SacrameÌ„ts especially so easing and acquieting soules in the Sacrament of penance as no testimonie or demonstration vnder heaven is or can be of like seeling proose for the reall goodnes verity of that Sacrament as is the supernaturall sweetest divine consolation tasted therein as is the Sacrament of the Eucharist Resolution of the 24. Reason Popish Religion hath her church-service executed with maiestie honorable gravity and reverence her Ceremonies admirable and her Sacraments comfortable Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent I THE Popish Church-service is not Maiesticall honorable grave and reverent but blasphemous and full of apish trickes and toyes I For the substance of it it is full of idolatrous invocations of Angels and Saints II It is performed in an vnknowne tongue to the derision of GOD and mockerie of religion against the expresse words letter sense of the Scriptures 1. Cor. 14. III The theatricall attire and gesture the skipping friskes and gambols the in constant murmuring crying out and whispering of the Priest the bellowing piping and chanting and the lighting of candels at noone-day is not true maiestie gravity reverence but manifest demonstration of giddines levitie wantonnes and flat apostacie from true religion For our Saviour saith Iohn 4.24 they that worshippe GOD must worship him in spirit and truth 2 Popish Ceremonies are execrable Christ saith Mat. 15. 9. In vaine they worship me teaching for doctrines mens precepts 3 If Popish Religion were true it is most certaine that Popish Sacraments are very coÌ„fortable For the Papists teach that the Sacraments of the new Testament do containe do conferre of themselues and merite grace that they iustifie that they forgiue sinnes sanctifie by the worke wroght yea without any good motion or disposition of the receiver or vser that is without faith This cannot choose but be very comfortable for be a man never so vile a villaine bee he never so vngracious of so wicked yet if he can bee made partaker of the Sacraments according to their doctrine he shall haue his sinnes actually forgiven him and be instantly iustified But alas this doctrine is not true it hath no warrant out of the Scriptures which restifie that without faith it is impossible to please GOD. It is the deceaueable learning of Antichrist to detaine miserable men captiues in his kingdome and to make them slaues vnto sinne by committing it with boldnes and to appease the stinging thereof in their consciences for a time II To the Consequence The Antecedent being false the Consequence falleth of it selfe Reason of Religion 25 25. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose secular and religious Cleargy liue without wiues free from care of providing for a But not for providing for bastards children the later sort no way distracted with the affaires and encombrances of the world but b But the Apostle saith that Pure religion and vndefiled before God is to visite the fatherlesse and widdowes in their adversitie Jac. 1.27 encloistered passe their whole time in praier watching fasting in continuall study of scriptures and in dayly exercise and dispute for ful perfect vnderstanding of them Helps that doe most further the attaining of truth and such as are not c An impudent lie sound in the adverse party and which in common reason Catholike Divines being not inferior to other Divines in wit or other talents shew that our teachers God being no acceptor of persons are more likely to haue vsing d Vutruth fitter meanes for the same the e No Papist dares expound the Scriptures truely See the Answere true intelligence and vnderstanding of scripture then are our adversaries or contradictors Resolution of the 25. Reason Popish Religion is that whose Cleargie liue without wiues c. Ergo What will the Suppliants conclude Popish Religion is the Doctrine of Divels ANSWERE 1 I graunt both the Antecedent and the Consequence Their Popish Cleargy although they keepe store of whoores and concubines yet they haue no wiues their popish doctrine is indeed the doctrine of divels 2 Their glory herein is to their shame For the Apostle saith 1. Tim. 4.1.2.3 Nowe the Spirite speaketh evidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and shall giue heed vnto Spirits of errour doctrine of divels Which speake lies through hypocrisie and haue their consciences burned with an hoteâ—â—on Forbidding to marrie and commanding to abstaine from meates c. Both these notes of the Apostatical Church the Papists cannot by any shift depell from themselues so that out of this place vvee may demonstratiuely conclude that the Popish Church is the Church of Antichrist as I haue declared at large Lib. 1. de Antichr cap 28. 3 A sober and moderate care of providing for Children is no hinderance to godlinesse 4 As for the helpes which
not a propertie belonging vnto the Church of God I We BELEEVE the holy Catholike Church But faith is the evideÌ„ce of things which are NOT SEENE Heb. 11 II In the visible Church there are many Hypocrites but God only knoweth who are such De occultis non iudicat Ecclesia And Christ ONLY knoweth who are his Ioh. 10.2 Tim. 2. III By examples in the holy Scriptures the Church is described to be invisible 2. Chron. 15.3.4 Now for a long season Israel hath bin without the true God and without Priest to teach and without law But whosoever returned in his affliction to the Lord God of Israel and sought him he was found of them At this time Christ was not without his spouse but albeit the Ministry was corrupted hee had his invisible Church 1. King 19.18 I leaue seaven thousand in Israel that haue not bowed the knees to Baal This company was not seene with corporall eies And in the time of Christs coÌ„ming GOD had his invisible Church Marie Ioseph Zacharias Elizabeth the wise men that came from the East Simecon Anna c albeit publike Ministery was corrupted IV Paule saith Rom. 2.28.29 He is not a Iew which is one outward neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iew which is one within and the circumcision it of the heart in the spirite not in the letter whose praise is not of men but OF GOD. 2 Those places of Scriptures which the Suppliant quote proue only the durance holynes integrity good workes of the Church not the visibility thereof vnto all persons at all times 4 As for the suppliants Dilemma The vnknowne companie did either professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the false Church or they did not If they did professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the other theÌ„ was it not invisible If they did not professe their faith nor refuse to communicate with the false Church they could not be the true Church c. I answere 4 I. If they did not professe their faith c they could not be the true Church Here the Suppliants meane publike profession and open refusall we deny this Position indeed they can never proue it By their reason this is a good argumeÌ„t Those seaven thousands which bowed not their knees vnto Ball either professed their faith or did not If they did professe it how could not Elias see them If they did not professe it then they were not the true Church and yet who seeth not the vanity of it 5 II. They adde That vnknowne company coÌ„municated with the false Church I marvel how the Suppliants know this Go to let vs vrge them with a Dilemma seeing they affect such kind of arguing so much I that company was vnknowne hovv know they what they did If they were not vnknowne but professed openly then what haue they to obiect 6 The Christian Reader may read in the 8. and 9. Chap. of the Prophecie of Ezechiel concerning those faithfull people that mourned and cryed for the abominations that were committed in Hierusalem how the Lord coÌ„maunded to set a marke on their forheads least they should perish learne thence that the Lorde wanteth no meanes to vindicate and saue his Church from destruction even in time of greatest calamity Reason of Religion 32 32. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion in whose largenes spreading amplitude over the whole world the predictions and promise of our Saviour are a These predictions are not verified in Popery but in true Christianitie verified not can take their truth and verification in any other sect or doctrine that ever was or is at this day on earth This Gospell of the kingdome saith our Saviour shall bee preached in the whole worlde for a testimony to all Nations Mat. 24.14 And by the pen of another Evangelist That penance shoulde be preached in his Name and remission of sinnes vnto all Nations Luk 24 47. And our Lord also compared this his Gospell to a Mustard seede one of the least of all seeds in the beginning but wheÌ„ it is growne it maketh great boughes so that the birds of the aire that is as Expositors interprete the greatest Powers and the most wise of the world come and dwell vnder the shadow thereof Mat. 13.31 Mark 4 32. making their residence happynesse and rest therein A resemblance predictions which cannot agree or fall in with any b An evident vntruth other religion saue only with the Catholike Romane Religion and with this very fully as the particulars precedent and subsequent doe cleerely demonstrate Resolution of the 32. Reason Popish Religion is that which is spread over all the world Ergo Popish Religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis reason is the very same with the 29. and is there answered 2 Those predictions which the Suppliants speake of doe belong only vnto our Church For wee professe that very same doctrin which the Apostles preached vnto the whole world Many Kings great Powers and infinite Wise meÌ„ are professours of our Religion Yea our religion at this instant is much more diffused abroad then Popery is For we see that most kingdomes and countries in Christendome haue shaken of the yoke of Popery yea there is no Province nor Citty in Europe but there are therein very many who are addicted vnto the Gospell of Christ disclaime Popery and professe the same religion that we doe Reason of Religion 33 33. REASON OF RELIGION A ReligioÌ„ that hath alwaies had as the Apostle assureth Gods church should ever haue yeelding also fowre weighty causes of the same a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne a Not Popes Cardinals Pastors and Doctors to the consummation of the Saints the first cause vnto the worke of the ministery the second cause vnto the edifying of the body of Christ the thirde cause that now we be not children wavering and caried about with every winde of doctrine the fourth cause and this vntill wee meete all into the vnity of faith that is to the worlds end Which successiue eveâ—â—ontinuing duration of Pastors and Doctors the same being also promised before to the true Christian Church by severall a Psal 88.31 sequ Esa 59.20 21. Ierem 31.31 sequ Ezech 37.25 Prophets and so greatly materiall in it selfe as without it there can be (b) False See the answere no Church as both b Lib. 4 epist 9. S. Cyprian and c Lib. contr Luciferian S. Hierom doe absolutely affirme hath not nor can bee ever proved to haue beene fulfilled in any other Church saue only in the Catholike Romane Church and in it most apparantly demonstrable by the Ecclesiasticall histories of all ages and by the shorte space or rather momentary blast of time that al other Religions compared with ours haue indured Resolution of the 33. Reason Popish Religion hath alwaies had a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne Pastours and Doctors
all faithfull Catholikes in EnglaÌ„d in Saxonie are to be excused who doe not exempt themselues from the power of their Superiours nor wage warre against them for commoÌ„ly they have not wealth strength inough to warre against their Princes they are in great danger So saith Dominicus Bannes in 2.2 Tho. q. 12. a. 2. col 479. A. B.C. edit Lugdun 1588. Martinus Ledesmius in 2.4 Tho. q. 15 a. 5. fol. 120. col 4. is of the same iudgment 7 FINALLY their Canonists decree ratifie the same Conclusions Gregorie VII saith We keeping the statuts of our holy predecessours by our Apostolicall auctoritie do absolve froÌ„ their oath alleageance such as are so bouÌ„d vnto them that be excommunicated we forbid them by all meanes that they observe no faithfulnes nor obedience vnto them vntill such come to make satisfaction Caus 15. q. 6. c. Nos SanctoruÌ„ Iac. Simancha writeth For the Kings heresie not onely the KING himselfe is deprived of his kingdome but also HIS * Note still SONNES caÌ„not succeed after him Iac. Sim. lib. de Catholic Institut Tom. 11. tract Illustr in vtraquex Iuris facultate IurisconsultoruÌ„ part 2. tit 9. f. 132. nu 259. The same Position houldeth Ioannes Lupus Deture Navarra par 1. § 7. Also Antonius Corsetus saith A ChristiaÌ„ King becomming an Heretike looseth his Kingdom which is given vnto * Good again a Catholike possessour Cors de Pot. Reg par 5. nu 6. See Bald. in l. 1. in 13. Col. in repe C. de emaÌ„ci libe Notat in C. 1. de praescr 8 Note I beseech you in the bowels of our Saviour Christ Iesus marke I say you illustrious thrice renowmed Kings whose eies harts GOD hath opened to behold his truth and vnfeignedly to embrace the Gospell of his Sonne this is the king-quelling doctrine of Popety this al their writers teach professing that all their Divines hould so that al true Catholikes beleeve so and calling them Heretiques that doubt of it Behould Popish religion armed to cut your throates And that you haue beene hitherto safely protected it was no through the innocency of Popery or defect of Papists malice hatred against you as Dominicus BaÌ„nes acknowled â—â—eth poison to stab to murder you through the special blessing and preservation of Almighty GOD who never faileth such as trust in him faithfully call vpon his name 9 But that all men may see the vanitie falshood of this wicked and divellish doctrine of Poperie What can all the Papists in the world or all the Divels in hel say to this that followeth No King by the lawe of Nature or by the law Divine can be deprived of his Kingdome or dominion over his subiects for falling away froÌ„ the faith the reason hereof is plaine because Faith is not the foundatioÌ„ of dominion but some other politique title having force and strength from the law of Nations as the title of hereditarie Succession of Election of Conquest or iust acquisitioÌ„ by lawful warre c. which titles may remaine and stand firme without Faith 10 This I haue argued vpon supposition But our Kings and Princes haue not by the mercies of GOD fallen from the faith they are no heretikes as wee are ready to demonstrate out of the word of GOD against al Papists powers of Satan The Popish Princes are they who fell froÌ„ the faith and worship the Beast and therefore their decrees stand in force against themselves not against vs. II To the Consequence If Popish religion did teach nothing against the lawfull auctoritie of Kinges and Princes yet were it not therefore true religion for it might erre in the foundation of faith against other partes of the Scriptures as it is manifest it doth wherefore it is neither true nor to be tolerated in any Christian societie Nor are these ô most gracious Soveraigne the only respectes that thus embolden vs to become humble suiters at your Hignesse foot for toleration of Catholike religion a Yet more reasons but our manifold b Causelesse complaintes daungers vnder-gone our several losses and indignities sustained and the stoore of Catholike blood that hath bin shed for affecting your mothers Rightes and Title and for seeking how to succour her piteous distresses person the worthiest Queene that many ages enioyed living a long imprisoned Confessour and dying a most glorious Martyr serue also to plead and cry to your Maiestie for commiseration of our case grant of the Petition we make And as our true loue zeale and tribute of service did not then dilate and extend it selfe on y towards your Highnes deare mother but in throuâ—h her reached also to c Sore against the Papists wils your sacred Maiesty so since the time of her happy Crowne of Martyrdome our wishes indevours actions haue ever levelled as much as lay in our power to the most advauncing of your d Proue that Parsons denyeth it Maiesties Title Yea the pressures and afflictions lâ—aded on vs for this cause were in a sâ—rt comfortable or not discomfortable vnto vs in hâ—pe of the relaxation and ease we assuredly expected by your Highnesse actuall arrivall to the Crowne So that now if your excellent Maiestie may not bee mooued to permit the free exercise of the Catholike Religion Oh our hopes fedde on are not only frustrate and our long expectations vaine but our temporall lots by reestablishing of penal laws against vs become more abiect servile desperate and forlâ—rne then euer before Puritanisme differing from ProtestaÌ„cy in e Mere slanders and impudent calumniations 32 articles of doctrine as their owne bookes and writings doe witnesse looketh vp spreadeth is neither suppressed with penalties nor oppressed with indignities but her professourâ— receiue grace and holde high auctority in the government only the Catholike Religion whose professours suffred most for your good Mothers sake and euer least offended your Maiestie is despised troden vnder foote maligned punished and must bee alas by all violence f Amen abolished without regard of her venerable antiquâ—ty or respect of the large dominions shee other-where hath to her dowery or of the innumerable conquests shee hath made ouer all other Sects froÌ„ Christs time hitherto or of the multitude and impregnablenesse of her proofes which her professors are ready yea presse and doe most earnestly long to bring in publike Dispute for testimonie of the doctrine shee teachâ—th And that which moueth not the least admiration here in is for that neither the inward beleefe of the Catholike Romane faith nor the outward profession or defence thereof in words seeme to bee the transgressions which are so sharpely animadverted but rather the only fault which is punished and neuer sufficiently as some thinke punished in vs is the vndissembled profession of our inwarde faith in refusing to go to the Protestant Church A necessity which vnder guilte of dead y sin breach of our Churches vnity
all are bound vnto that beleeue the verity of the Catholike Religion and purpose stilâ— to keepe themselues her children because the vnity consisteth in the a Aug. de doctr Christian. li. 3. cap. 6. epist 118. cap. 1. Basil in exhort ad baptism connexioÌ„ of the members togither by an external reuerence and vse of the same seruice and sacraments and is broken by having communion in either with any other contrary religion And it is an axiâ—me among all Divines that b Aug. de vnit Eccl. cont Petil. ep cap 2. cont lit Pet. l 2. c 38 in Evangel Ioan. tract 118 in ser sap gest cum Emerito vltramed epist. 152. Cypr de Simplie Praelatorum extra ecclesiam non est saâ—us there is no hope of salvation but of the Church To which Laâ—tantius most plainely subscribeth saying c Lib. 4. ca. vlt. divi Instit Sola ecclesia catholica est templum dei quo si quis non intraverit vel à que si quis exierit à spe vitae ac salutis aeternae alienus est The Catholike Church is only the temple of God into which if any shall not enter or out of which if any shall depart hee is an alien from hope of life and eternall salvation Neither doth the Apostle affirme lesse in sense where he saith that d Ephes 5.23 Christ is the Saviour of his body that e Ephes 1.23 Ephes 4.5 Cantic 6.8 the Church is his body Nor is it possible to be conceiued in any vnderstanding that two such repugnant and contradictory manners of seruing God there beeing but one Lord one truth one faith one Church as the Catholike and Protestante obserue in their Churches can be both good or not one of them very vngodly and in no case to be communicated with vnder paine of eternall damnation By the little which is saide your princely Wisedome may easily perceiue that cur abstaining from Church is in vs g Most false Rom 14.14 23. Chrysost hom 26. in ep ad Rom. est sententia coÌ„munis omniuÌ„ Theolog. in 2 Dist 30. D. Tho. 1.2 qu 10 art 5. no formall act of disobedience much lesse of selfe-wilfulnesse or contempt of your Maiesties laws aspersioÌ„s with which many would distaine our refusal but a true reall obligation of meere conscience especially for so long as we hold the inward perswasion we do in respect an erroneous conscience bindeth as strongly and vnder equall paine as doth the conscience that is best and most rightly informed To draw to an h Jâ— is full time I thinke they haue babbled long enough end we most submissiuely beseech your Maiestie to conceaue no otherwise of vs then of your most dutiful and loyal vassals acknowledging in i Nothing but so yet not so neither Reade Bozius his book de Temporali Eccl Monarc all politike and civil affaires no other Superior theÌ„ the sacred authority of your Highnes resting ever most ready to accomplish al your commaÌ„dements touching the same were our liues never so certainly engaged in the executioÌ„ Only requesting that in matters of soule conscience we may haue leaue to distinguish an eternal Lord for a temporal Lord to preferre our k They cal dark nesse light obedience to the one before our obedience to the other if obedience to Princes against God may be tearmed obedience not rather irreligious pusillanimity And as wee haue presumed moâ—â— precious Soveraigne vpon confidence of your true royal dispositioÌ„ benignity to make known to your Princely consideration wisdome our gr efes our hopes the favor connivence we desire togither with some few reasons aswel of state as of religioÌ„ for shewing the coÌ„cordance that our request hath with the good of state also the grounds of our perswasion in conscience why the religioÌ„ we beleeue in is true So do we carry a most tender regard of yeelding all satisfaction to your Maiestie and to all other in authority yea even to those who stande most iealously conceited of the true affection loyalty of Priests the Pastours of our soules towards your Highnesse person Crowne the weale of the Realme In whose behalfe we l These men wil prescribe the King what to doe doe therefore confidently and most assuredly vndertake that they all shall willingly readyly take their m But cannot the Pope dispense with these at his pleasure corporall oaths for continuing their true alleageance to your Maiestle and the State or in case that bee not thought aslurance enough they shall giue in sufficient suerties n AvaÌ„t knaues what are one or two treacherous Papists sufficient hostages for the securitie of of a Prince safety of a realme one or moe who shall stand bound life for life â—or the performance of the said alleageance and of their fidelity and faithfulnes in the premisses Yea they most voluntaâ—ily offer yet further that it so any of their number be not able to put in such securitie for their loyall cariages that then they will all ioine in one supplication to the Pope for recalling such o His Maiestie needeth not the Popes helpe for effecting this businesse priests out the Land whosoever they be or how many soever We feare to be tedious and therfore we wil shut vp all in few words Our hearts our soules and both with deepest cries doe most humbly alike instantly beseech your most excellent Maiestie to take pitie of our afflictions to compassionate our sufferings and to relieue our long indured pressures either by licensing the free vse of our Catholike Religion or if we may not be so happy yet at least by graunting a publike Disputation to the end we may be heard our cause tryed our teachers receiue confutation and the deserved shame of their salfe doctrine if in case they haue misled vs. A favour which the adversaries of our Religion haue obtained in other Countries and which our Country-oppositors seeme in their bookes to be very desirous of and is also of it selfe of all other meanes the most potent to reunite all parties in one the deceived being hereby let to see their errors So that by the grant here of no doubt your Maiestie shall get eternall praise over the Christian world the Protestant Religion everlasting fame if shee prevaile the neighbour Countries great edification the waverers and such as are doubtfull in faith a stay and worthy satisfaction as none greater al posterity a right noble example and president to follow And we your Maiesties loyall subiects must and shall alwaies as our bounden duety exacteth rest through the delivery out of the blindnes if so wee liue in blindnes for ever most strictly oblieged to pray incessantly for your Highnes long life and prosperous Raigne over all your Dominions with multiplication of immortall renowne in this world and of endles ioies in the next God saue the King