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A50679 An antidote against the venom of Quakerism, or, Some observations, on a little pamphlet, stiled, The Christianity of the people commonly called Quakers by John Meriton ... Meriton, John, 1666-1717. 1699 (1699) Wing M1816; ESTC R11247 24,688 49

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no doubt but all good Christians own Christ to be the Bread of Life and have Spiritual Communion with him in his Holy Ordinances which Communion I dare affirm they cannot have whatever bold pretences they make who do not obey Christ in these his Holy Institutions but slight vilifie and contemn the same and that the Quakers do so see Parnell's Shield of the Truth written from the Mouth of the Lord as the Title Page shews p. 13. We are accused says he to deny the Supper of the Lord He answers The Supper of the Lord we own which is the Body and Blood of Christ that is considered Spiritually for Saints are Spiritual and their Communion is Spiritual and Eternal And here all Drunkards are shut out and all Liars Adulterers Proud Covetous c. And are without feeding upon the Husk and shadow which is Carnal and Natural and only feed the Outward Carnal Body and goeth into the Belly and so passeth out c. And so likewise the Cup which they drink and so the Communion and Fellowship of the World passeth away but this is no nourishment to the Soul And here is no Communion but Natural Outward and Carnal Full of filthiness and uncleanness which is the Table of Devils eating and drinking their own Damnation not discerning the Lord's Body which is Spiritual which the Natural Man discerns not And here stands the World's Communion and Fellowship which is Carnal p. 14. And here they are without feeding upon the Husk and Shadow without See Smith's Primer p. 36 37. says the Child I would know Father how it is concerning those things called Ordinances as Baptism and Bread and Wine which are much used in their Worship The Father answers Why Child as to those things they rose from the Pope's Invention who had Power in the Night of Apostacy and hath set up his Devices which are yet continued in England tho' he seemingly is denied and the whole Practice of those things as they use them bad their Institution by the Pope and were never so ordained of Christ Neither did He Ordain Bread and Wine to be so Used and Received c. Geo. Fox in his News coming up out out of the North c. p. 4. Your Baptism and Sacrament as you call it and all your Ordinances and Churches and Teachings it is Cain ' s Sacrifice And p. 14. Their Sacrament as they call it is Carnal Their Communion Bread and Wine it is the Table of Devils and Cup of Devils And W. Penn in his Reason against Railing c. p. 108. I affirm says he that the Paschal Lamb is as much in force as Bread and Wine And p. 109. And we can testifie from the same Spirit by which Paul Renounced Circumcision that it is to be Rejected as not now Required Quest Do you believe and own the Holy Scriptures contained in the Books of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine Inspiration and to contain all Matters of Doctrine and Testimony c. necessary to be believed and practised in order to Salvation and Peace with God Answ Yes we do and by the Assistance of the Grace of God which gives the true Understanding of the Mind of God and M●●ning of Holy Scripture we always desire to live in the Faith Knowledge and Practice of them in all things appertaining to Life and Godliness Holy Scripture being given by Divine Inspiration is Profitable for Doctrine Correction and Instruction that the Man of God may he perfect thoroughly furnished unto every good Work able to make the Man of God wise unto Salvation thro' Faith in Christ Jesus OBSERVATION Here is like unto the rest a Plausible Profession but whether Sincere or not I leave to the World to judge when they shall have read and considered these following Quotations See John Whitehead and Rob. Ruckhill their Quakers Refuge p. 17. Whether the first Penman of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes Or whether both these are not one Or whether there are not many Words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit Whether some Words were not spoken by the Grand Impostor some by wicked Men some by wise Men ill applied some by good Men ill expressed some by false Prophets and yet true some by true Prophets and yet false c. Sam. Fisher in his Appendix p. 752. Printed 1679. has these Words speaking of the Text of Scripture Which Transcriptions and Translations were they never so certain and entirely answering to the first Original Copies yet are not capable to be to all Men any other than a Lesbian Rule or Nose of Wax This worthy Author in his Works has the Testimony of Luke Howard Hallelujah Fisher and Will. Penn and Lawson's Untaught Teacher p. 2. To say the Word of Truth is called the Scripture or that the Scripture is the Word of Truth is a Lie and Sam. Fisher p. 460. The Scriptures not the Saints Rule but the Spirit and Sword of the Lord drawn p. 1 2. The Scriptures are not the Saints Rule of knowing God and living unto him And Edw. Barrough p. 47. No Command in Scripture was any further binding than as we are convinced of the Lawfulness thereof by the Light within For says he That is no Command from God to me what he commands to another neither did any of the Saints which we read of in Scripture act by the Command which was to another not having the Command to themselves See G. Fox's Gr. Myst p. 246. The Scriptures are not the Word of God yet he says of his own Writings p. 225. To you all this is the Word of the Lord. Nay James Nayler in his Answer to the Jews p. 22 25. It 's Blasphemy for any to say the Letter is the Word of God it is the Devil that contends for the Scriptures to be the Word of God This Will. Penn at a venture vindicates tho' he confesses he never saw the Book out of which it was quored see his Pamphlet Entituled A Brief Answer to a False and Foolish Libel called The Quakers Opinions p. 15. Printed 1678. The Question being asked the Quakers see Will. Penn and G. Whitehead their Serious Apology p. 49. Do you esteem your Speakings to be of as great Authority as any Chapter in the Bible The Answer is in these Words That which is spoken by the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and greater See Lawson's Threefold Estate of Antichrist p. 9. The Scripture is Dust and Death Beastly Wares c. And for a Conclusion of this Head see G. Fox's News out of the North p. 14. Your Original is Carnal Hebrew Greek and Latin and your Word is Carnal the Letter Their Original is Dust which is the Letter which is Death and their Gospel is but Dust Matthew Mark Luke and John which is the Letter Again see Will. Bayley's Works p. 195. viz. The Scriptures in
NO SENSE can properly be called the Word of God c. yet with Respect to their own Scriptures I mean what is given forth by their Light within is in some Sense the Word of God else why did G. Fox in his Several Papers given forth for the spreading of Truth and in which Book he also calls the Scriptures Dust Death and Serpents Food p. 3 4 45 46. thus writes p. 62. To you all this is the Word of the Lord I charge you in the Presence of the Lord God to send this Book among Friends and Brethren every where to be READ in ALL Meetings to you all THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD. Now if Fox did not believe this Book of his to be in NO SENSE the Word of God why did he charge his Disciples to send it up and down as THE WORD OF GOD to charge and command them to read it as THE WORD OF GOD in SOME SENCE at least and that in all their MEETINGS whilst they say as above noted the Scriptures are not the Word of God No not in ANY SENCE And therefore as Mr. Bugg has well observed that in all the time of his being a Quaker which was 25 Years they never Read one Chapter in the Bible or one of the Epistles of the Holy Apostles in ANY ONE of their Meetings nor can they disprove what he says in THAT as well as in OTHER things Now whether they have such a great Esteem and Veneration for the Holy Scriptures valuing and preferring them before all other Books extant in the World as in their new Creeds they tell us and as they made frequent Outcries at West-Dereham Conference before Thousands let the Reader judge Quest Do you believe the Doctrine of the Resurrection from the Dead and of Eternal Judgment and the Immortality of the Soul Answ We sincerely believe and confess the Doctrine of the Resurrection from the Dead and of Eternal Judgment according to Holy Scripture Heb. 6. 2. That God will raise the Dead and judge the World in Righteousness by His Son Jesus Christ in the Day appointed even in the great Day of Judgment and that Harvest which is the end of the World Tho' the Soul of Man tho' Created is Immortal and never dies even as these Doctrines are more fully testified in Holy Scripture by Jesus Christ and His Apostles 1 st For the Doctrine of the Resurrection see Mat. 13. 43. c. p. 15. OBSERVATION The Answer is VVe sincerely believe and confess the Doctrine of the Resurrection from the Dead according to Holy Scripture that is according to their Sense and Interpretation of Holy Scripture which is no ways agreeable to the Sense and Interpretation of any Orthodox Christians To that end see Will Penn's Reason against Railing p. 134. it is objected That the IT in the Text 1 Cor. 15. be not the same Body how can that be called a Resurrection For that supposeth the same To which Penn answers If a thing can yet be the same and notwithstanding changed for Shame let us never make so much stir against the Doctrine of Transubstantiation for the Absurdity of that is rather outdone than equalled by this Carnal Resurrection Ibid. p. 138. It was objected by his Opponent That the Joys of Heaven would be imperfect if the Bodies did not Rise He Answers Is the Joy of the Ancients now in Glory imperfect Or are they in Heaven but by halves if it be so unequitable that the Body which hath Suffered should not partoke of the Joys Caelestial Is it not in measure unequal that the Soul should be rewarded so long before the Body But why must the felicity of the Soul depend upon that of the Body Is it not to make the Soul a kind of Widow and so in a state of Mourning and Disconsolateness to be without its beloved Body Which State is but a better sort of Purgatory In short if the compleat Happiness of the Soul rests in a Re-union to a Carnal Body for such it is Sown then never cry out upon the Turks Alcoran for such a Heaven and the Joys of it suit admirably well with such a Resurrection See his Invalidity of John F●ldo ' s Vindication p. 369 370. I do utterly deny that this Text 1 Cor. 15. 44. is concern'd in the Resurrection of Man's Carnal Body at all but the two States of Men under the First and Second Adam Men are Sown into the World Natural so are they the Sons of the First Adam but they are Raised Spiritually thro' him who is the Resurrection and the Life and so are they the Sons of the Second Adam who came to Raise up the Sons of the First Adam from their Dead to his Living their Natural to his Spiritual Estate But perhaps it will be objected that the 47 vers The First Man is of the Earth Earthly and part of the 49 vers We that also bear the Image of the Heavenly seem to imply a Bodily Resurrection but let the whole Verse be considered and we shall find no such thing c. See Tho Ellwood in his Answer to G. Keith's first Narrative p. 149. Printed 1696. In 1 Cor. 15. 37. he makes the Apostle thus speak The Body that shall arise is not the same Carnal Body that Dies and is put into the Grave No the Body that is put into the Grave or is Sown is a Natural Body but the Body that is Raised is a Spiritual Body It is Sown a Natural Body it is Raised a Spiritual Body Ver. 44. And that none might think this Spiritual Body was the same with the Natural Body he adds There is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body He does not say the Natural is made a Spiritual Body or the Natural Body and the Spiritual Body is but one and the same Body But he sets them in Opposition as two distinct Bodies and that none might think this Spiritual Bodies was the same he adds there is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body Further see Rich. H●bberthorn's Collections p. 119. he there tells his Opponent That he Lies concerning the Saints on Earth saying The Saints in Heaven hoped for the perfection of their Bodies at the Resurrection c. And his Envy hath reached to Heaven to prove that the Saints in Heaven are not perfect but wait for the Redemption of their Bodies which now if People mind the Scriptures there is no such Doctrine in it as the Saints in Heaven have not receiv'd the Redemption of their Bodies And again Ibid. p. 121. These are they viz. the World's People or Truth 's Enemies that say that the Saints Glorified in Heaven do yet hope for the Resurrection of their Bodies and so not come to the end of their hope tho' in Heaven But whatever whimsical Notions they are possessed with and whatever false Glosses they put upon Scripture yet I hope all Good and Orthodox Christians will readily believe and say with Job c. 19. v. 25