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etc._n erroris_fw-la 〈…〉_o do_v sine_fw-la verbo_fw-la lei_fw-it non_fw-la esse_fw-la veritatem_fw-la sed_fw-la vetustatem_fw-la erroris_fw-la truth_n but_o the_o antiquity_n of_o error_n the_o council_n of_o cartbage_n resolve_v thus_o â—_o the_o lord_n say_v in_o the_o gospel_n i_o be_o truth_n he_o say_v not_o i_o be_o castom_n phil._n can_v you_o so_o easy_o trample_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o father_n you_o have_v former_o pretend_v much_o honour_n to_o the_o venerable_a testimony_n of_o antiquity_n where_o you_o conceive_v it_o consonant_a unto_o your_o principle_n and_o now_o you_o will_v decline_v that_o touchstone_n because_o you_o know_v full_a well_o it_o be_v against_o you_o in_o this_o point_n of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n theoph._n these_o sentence_n i_o have_v produce_v be_v of_o the_o father_n and_o see_v the_o word_n of_o god_n do_v not_o establish_v your_o doctrine_n