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fancifull_a opinion_n which_o make_v they_o do_v violence_n to_o all_o philosophy_n and_o the_o reason_n of_o man_n and_o undo_v and_o cancel_v the_o principle_n of_o two_o or_o three_o science_n and_o these_o word_n which_o one_o will_v think_v be_v not_o so_o very_o favourable_a and_o absolve_a lie_v just_a between_o the_o two_o sentence_n the_o defender_n have_v transcribe_v in_o the_o next_o paragraph_n he_o call_v idolatry_n the_o crime_n which_o papist_n formal_o hate_v and_o we_o material_o avoid_v and_o again_o in_o the_o next_o to_o that_o say_v if_o they_o who_o do_v as_o the_o papist_n do_v be_v not_o formal_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n there_o be_v no_o danger_n their_o disciple_n shall_v be_v so_o so_o that_o he_o plain_o own_v they_o guilty_a of_o material_a and_o dare_v not_o venture_v to_o acquit_v they_o even_o of_o formal_a idolatry_n notwithstanding_o the_o defender_n go_v on_o at_o all_o adventure_n 35._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 31._o §._o 35._o and_o will_v have_v it_o a_o fault_n in_o dr._n taylor_n to_o say_v in_o one_o book_n that_o if_o papist_n be_v deceive_v in_o transubstantiation_n it_o be_v certain_a they_o commit_v a_o act_n of_o idolatry_n whereas_o he_o say_v in_o another_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a the_o object_n etc._n etc._n be_v the_o only_a true_a and_o eternal_a god_n etc._n etc._n which_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o very_a course_n compliment_n to_o his_o reader_n for_o it_o either_o suppose_v he_o so_o lazy_a as_o not_o to_o look_v back_o what_o word_n those_o &_o cetera's_fw-la stand_v for_o or_o if_o he_o do_v so_o dull_a as_o not_o to_o see_v that_o dr._n taylor_n in_o both_o these_o quotation_n only_o charge_v the_o papist_n with_o material_a idolatry_n ibid._n ibid._n he_o will_v likewise_o have_v m._n daillé_n to_o be_v faulty_a for_o oppose_v the_o papist_n with_o such_o a_o form_n of_o argument_n as_o will_v prove_v the_o lutheran_n to_o worship_v a_o mite_n but_o instead_o of_o his_o miserable_a thatwhich_a solution_n let_v he_o interpret_v the_o word_n join_v in_o the_o major_a of_o his_o own_o syllogism_n by_o consubstantiate_a as_o he_o must_v do_v if_o he_o mean_v to_o oppose_v the_o lutheran_n and_o he_o will_v find_v that_o it_o have_v four_o term_n in_o the_o three_o place_n faulty_a with_o he_o be_v dr._n stillingfleet_n for_o two_o or_o three_o reason_n which_o as_o they_o have_v be_v urge_v so_o they_o have_v be_v answer_v before_o but_o he_o tell_v we_o we_o in_o good_a time_n that_o catholic_n grant_v as_o much_o as_o the_o dr._n that_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o divine_a nature_n in_o any_o thing_n be_v no_o good_a ground_n to_o pay_v divine_a worship_n to_o that_o thing_n for_o he_o hope_v we_o have_v forget_v his_o abstract_n from_o a_o corporal_n and_o ground_v his_o adoration_n precise_o upon_o a_o real_a presence_n we_o desire_v he_o will_v stick_v to_o this_o grant_n and_o that_o supposal_n and_o then_o show_v what_o trick_n he_o have_v leave_v to_o evade_v idolatry_n 31._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 36_o 37._o §_o 31._o he_o conclude_v all_o these_o be_v faulty_a i_o say_v why_o so_o positive_a good_a sir_n why_o because_o they_o charge_v the_o papist_n with_o worship_v a_o creature_n instead_o of_o christ_n from_o which_o other_o protestant_n clear_v they_o but_o what_o if_o the_o charger_n give_v better_a reason_n then_o the_o clearer_n or_o what_o if_o the_o charger_n be_v the_o far_o great_a number_n be_v a_o majority_n the_o guide_n belove_a argument_n grow_v out_o of_o favour_n or_o what_o if_o the_o charger_n and_o the_o clearer_n both_o agree_v in_o the_o matter_n of_o fact_n as_o indeed_o they_o do_v for_o the_o one_o part_n only_o say_v that_o the_o papist_n worship_v bread_n and_o the_o other_o that_o it_o be_v true_a they_o do_v so_o but_o it_o be_v more_o than_o they_o mean_v to_o do_v to_o conclude_v the_o papist_n direct_v the_o act_n of_o adoration_n to_o the_o species_n suppose_v christ_n to_o be_v local_o present_a under_o they_o but_o if_o christ_n be_v not_o so_o but_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n instead_o of_o he_o as_o the_o protestant_n affirm_v and_o prove_v then_o the_o papist_n who_o intentional_o worship_n christ_n do_v actual_o pay_v their_o worship_n to_o bread_n instead_o of_o he_o which_o be_v all_o the_o protestant_n accuse_v they_o of_o for_o that_o act_n be_v as_o certain_o a_o species_n of_o idolatry_n as_o the_o object_n have_v the_o species_n of_o bread_n 35._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 37._o §._o 35._o the_o five_o and_o last_o protestant_n author_n that_o be_v quote_v be_v the_o reverend_n and_o learned_a dr._n hammond_n who_o according_a to_o the_o defender_n seem_v to_o charge_v the_o papist_n rather_o with_o a_o material_a then_o formal_a idolatry_n and_o this_o material_a idolatry_n we_o be_v tell_v like_o material_a adultery_n may_v in_o many_o case_n be_v commit_v without_o sin_n this_o latter_a doctrine_n i_o believe_v be_v none_o of_o dr._n hammond_n for_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o plain_a scripture_n for_o when_o abimelech_n gen_n xx._n have_v like_a to_o have_v commit_v material_a adultery_n with_o sarah_n and_o be_v reprove_v in_o a_o dream_n plead_v the_o innocence_n of_o his_o intention_n god_n acknowledge_v this_o innocence_n and_o say_v for_o i_o also_o withhold_v thou_o from_o sin_v against_o i_o therefore_o i_o suffer_v thou_o not_o to_o touch_v her_o v._o 6._o so_o that_o it_o seem_v the_o act_n have_v be_v a_o sin_n against_o god_n 5._o v_o 5._o notwithstanding_o abimelech_n do_v it_o in_o the_o integrity_n of_o his_o heart_n and_o the_o innocence_n of_o his_o hand_n but_o to_o return_v to_o dr._n hammond_n it_o be_v plain_a he_o have_v hearty_o endeavour_v to_o strain_v his_o charity_n and_o yet_o for_o all_o that_o censure_v the_o papist_n as_o severe_o as_o any_o sober_a protestant_n ever_o do_v and_o the_o reader_n will_v be_v full_o satisfy_v of_o this_o truth_n if_o he_o please_v to_o consult_v for_o it_o will_v be_v too_o much_o to_o transcribe_v the_o etc._n the_o §_o 63._o he_o deliver_v himself_o to_o this_o effect_n to_o worship_v the_o bread_n in_o the_o sacrament_n must_v certain_o be_v idolatry_n in_o the_o literal_a notion_n of_o the_o word_n and_o they_o that_o do_v this_o upon_o any_o the_o subtle_a ground_n that_o by_o any_o error_n or_o mistake_n be_v it_o never_o so_o pious_o take_v up_o believe_v it_o not_o to_o be_v bread_n but_o very_o christ_n incarnate_a and_o thereupon_o worship_n it_o these_o i_o say_v in_o case_n they_o be_v mistake_v though_o they_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n in_o all_o the_o aggravation_n that_o belong_v to_o it_o among_o the_o heathen_a yet_o i_o can_v free_v they_o from_o the_o charge_n of_o worship_v a_o idol_n etc._n etc._n nine_o section_n which_o the_o dr_n have_v write_v upon_o this_o subject_a begin_v §_o 63._o of_o his_o discourse_n of_o idolatry_n i_o assure_v myself_o the_o mild_a censure_n that_o can_v be_v pass_v upon_o the_o defender_n will_v be_v that_o he_o never_o read_v that_o discourse_n but_o he_o think_v he_o have_v lance_v we_o to_o the_o quick_a 32._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 37._o §_o 32._o when_o he_o put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o our_o forefather_n who_o for_o many_o centurye_n be_v such_o idolater_n as_o we_o make_v the_o present_a papist_n poor_a man_n where_o have_v he_o be_v sleep_v these_o fifty_o year_n that_o he_o know_v not_o this_o stale_a objection_n have_v be_v so_o often_o urge_v and_o answer_v that_o all_o understand_a papist_n be_v now_o ashamed_a to_o make_v use_n of_o it_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o we_o be_v likely_a to_o part_v good_a friend_n for_o he_o tell_v we_o his_o catholic_o grant_v it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o worship_v the_o bread_n if_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v god_n 33._o ibid._n §._o 33._o or_o direct_v the_o outward_a act_n to_o our_o lord_n as_o corporal_o present_v in_o the_o sacrament_n if_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v he_o so_o present_a thus_o instead_o of_o defend_v his_o catholic_n for_o adore_v he_o gracious_o absolve_v the_o protestant_n for_o not_o adore_v as_o for_o what_o he_o add_v of_o submit_v our_o judgement_n to_o the_o church_n that_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o present_a purpose_n for_o he_o know_v that_o we_o insist_v upon_o it_o that_o popery_n in_o this_o point_n do_v direct_o and_o manifest_o overthrow_v all_o the_o principle_n of_o sense_n of_o reason_n &_o religion_n and_o we_o be_v not_o so_o singular_a in_o this_o opinion_n but_o that_o papist_n themselves_o own_v they_o can_v in_o this_o question_n pretend_v to_o scripture_n without_o first_o defy_v sense_n &_o reason_n in_o the_o last_o section_n the_o defender_n propose_v two_o question_n which_o he_o think_v the_o most_o material_a in_o this_o dispute_n 1._o 34._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 38._o §_o 34._o whether_o the_o popish_a