Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	pray_v	spirit_n	worship_v	1,821	5	9.2706	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13773	Positions lately held by the L. Du Perron, Bishop of Eureux, against the sufficiency and perfection of the scriptures maintaning the necessitie and authoritie of vnwritten traditions. Verie learnedly answered and confuted by D. Daniell Tillenus, Professor of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Sedan. VVith a defence of the sufficiency and perfection of the holy scriptures by the same author. Faithfully translated.	Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633.; Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618. Discours sur l'autorité.; Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633. Defence of the sufficiency and perfection of the holy scripture. aut	1606 (1606)	STC 24071; ESTC S101997	143,995	256

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baptism_n do_v sin_n against_o the_o same_o article_n whence_o i_o thus_o conclude_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o donatist_n which_o be_v heretical_a can_v not_o be_v confute_v by_o the_o scripture_n alone_o and_o without_o the_o help_n of_o the_o apostolic_a tradition_n for_o to_o confute_v all_o heresy_n and_o by_o consequent_a it_o contain_v not_o alone_o sufficient_o all_o the_o principle_n of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o divinity_n and_o christian_a religion_n d_o tillenus_n his_o answer_n let_v we_o see_v if_o sainte_n augustine_n in_o those_o ten_o year_n that_o he_o handle_v his_o question_n against_o the_o donatist_n can_v not_o find_v any_o actual_a proof_n in_o the_o scripture_n upon_o this_o point_n as_o du_n perron_n say_v 7._o lib._n 1._o ●_o count_v 7._o i_o think_v he_o promise_v very_o certain_a proof_n when_o he_o say_v ne_o videar_fw-la humanis_fw-la argumentis_fw-la agere_fw-la ex_fw-la euangelio_fw-la profero_fw-la certa_fw-la documenta_fw-la &c_n &c_n lest_o i_o 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