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A76289	A briefe ansvver to R.H. his booke, entitled, The true guide, &c. Wherein are occasionally declared and proved by Scripture these particular things following: [brace] first, that the baptisme of water is a distinct baptisme from the baptisme of the spirit. ... Sixthly, in what sense some things related in Scripture are not Scripture, with divers other particulars occasionally spoken of. / By R.B. a well-wisher to the truth, and R.H.	R. B., Well-wisher to the truth.	1646 (1646)	Wing B159; Thomason E357_2; ESTC R16628	31,113	40

further In Page 6. saying what Scripture have any to raile against the Parliament Answ Truly none that I know of nor any warrant at all to be unfaithfull toward them in the least who have been so carefull of our peace and safety and so faithfull towards us though some would have had it otherwise But R. H. would make the world beleeve that those that differ from his opinions and practices are such and therefore mentions divers opinions and among the rest this Interrogatory to render them as hatefull to the world as possibly he can as this Interrogatory especially must needs do if it were true but it may be he hath heard some that stand opposite to his opinions speake foolishly that way though for my part all those that I am intimate with stand to this day as cordiall and reall for the Parliament as ever as our neighbours can testifie But contrariwise I have heard of some of his opinion that have proved unfaithfull to the Parliament should I therefore take occasion to make mention of the actions of some few of his opinion to the world to render all of the same opinion odious yet this is the very drift of his mentioning this thing as may appeare to them that read his Booke But it may be he will say he doth but interrogate but he may know well that interrogations are either strong affirmations or strong negations and I thinke he will not say it is a negation but should I have begun and done such a thing so publiquely against them of his opinion I should have been thought at least a seducer unjustly endeavouring to draw the Parliament and well affected peoples affections from such His next things he mentions in the same page are Magistrates Masters and Fathers Verily I know none that are accused by R. H. that take away in the least from Parliament Masters or Fathers what God nature and this whole Kingdome hath invested them with severally from God but I never yet read in the Gospell of Christ Jesus that ever he gave any in the world power over the consciences of his people in matter of worship 1 Cor. 7.23 Ye are bought with a price be not the servants of men Col. 2.20 Why as though living in the world are ye subject to Ordinances touch not taste not handle not which all perish with the using after the Commandements and Doctrines of men But marke the enmity of this man against them hee opposes hee would have them thought to bee such as cry downe superiority and inferiority and yet he knowes well they stand for all due subjection to Caesars Masters and Fathers as much as he if not more For we conceive all civill subjection to be due to such whether Heathens or Christians but if he will give to them that which belongs to God we are not bound to doe so too by his example we acknowledge no power in matter of worship above Christ Jesus who is the only Law-giver to his people whose government differs from Moses government even as his house differs from his Heb. 3.2 3 4 5 6. who was faithfull to him that appointed him as also Moses was faithfull in all his house And Moses verily was faithfull in all his house as a servant but Christ as a sonne over his own house c. So that the Government of Moses house is as unfit for Christs house as a poore cottagers for a Kings house Besides Moses house yea even that whose State being shaddowish when Christ the body came the shaddowes must needs fly away as Solomon saith then to what purpose serve his proofes from the examples of the Kings of Judah more then of the Priests of Judah for the Government of Christs house unlesse they are understood spiritually and not according to the Letter For were not the Kings and Priests of Judah both types of Christ Jesus Now if he will more argue from the one than from the other let him shew his grounds from Scripture if he will argue from both as he must of necessity if he do from either then how wil he escape the Episcopall order even the Papall power of Rome it self which they raise up to the foundation of the Aaronical Priesthood But it may be R. H. is not throughly convinced of the truth and extent of the typicality of that estate nor the spirituality of the present Gospell state as the antitype of that Let him therefore a little consider first the Land is called holy Zach. 2.12 The glory of all Lands Ezek. 20.6 Emmanuels Land Esay 8.8 the typicall rest Deut. 12.9 10. Which when men beleeve they are said to enter into not that naturall Canaan but the spirituall rest Heb. 4.3 For we which have beleeved enter into rest c Besides Jerusalem when the Jewish state stood was the chiefest place of Gods worship unto which all men of that Nation were bound to resort three times a yeare according to the Law Exod. 34 23 24. Thrice in the yeare shall all your men children appeare before the Lord. So Psal 122. But now every where and in every Nation men may worship God if they worship him in Spirit and truth John 4.20 21 23. The houre commeth when ye shall neither in this Mountaine nor in Jerusalem worship the Father But the houre commeth and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and truth Acts 10 35. In every Nation he that feareth him and worketh righteousnesse is accepted of him Secondly The people were separated from other people to God Levit. 20.26 I the Lord am holy and have severed you from other people that you should be mine But where hath God in the Gospell separated any whole Nation or Kingdome as a peculiar people but rather chuseth out to himselfe a people by the voyce of the Gospel not of all Nations but out of all Nations and tongues Rev. 5.9 Thou hast redeemed us by thy bloud out of every kindred and tongue and people and Nation And is it not plaine that the spirituall Israel holy Nation and peculiar people as Peter calls them 1 Pet. 2.9 ●re the true Antitype of that Thirdly The Priesthood was typicall as may be seene at large Heb. 7 8 9 Chapters what was signified by it and how and in whom fulfilled Lastly To go no further though much more might be said the Kingdome of Judah was typicall to Christ according to that Gen. 49.10 The Scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a Law-giver from between his feet till Shilo come So Hos 3 5. Afterward the children of Israel shall returne and seeke the Lord their God and David their King and shall feare the Lord and his goodnesse in the latter daies Ezek. 37.22 24 25 And I will make them one Nation and one King shall be King to them all ver 24. And David my servant shall be their King Amos 9.11 In that day I will raise up the Tabernacle of David that is falne So Esay 9.6

11 12 13. They could swallow down impositions from men Gal. 6.12 which the true Servants of Christ could not do and this was because they desired to make a faire shew in the flesh and to avoid persecution as in the place before quoted appeares the true servants of Christ were accused of Heresie Acts 24 14. yea accounted Sectaries and seditious Acts 24.5 and under that notion of Sectaries they were every where spoken against Acts 28.22 and were accused of and charged with many things which could not be proved against them Acts 24.23 This I say that even as then so now is it the portion of Gods people But one thing I note in particular which is his calumniating the maintainers of free-Grace as if they were the Abetters of carnall liberty Truly I canot see how any that understand the Doctrine of Gods Free Grace aright can make such conclusions except Legalists or carnall Christians my reason is because the truest and most active principle of all holinesse in conversation is the right knowledge and experience of Gods Free-Grace and Love the which knowledge is no acquired thing as he conceives but is the free gift of God Ephes 1.17 18. and Luke 1.77 saving knowledge is there said to spring from the remission of sins and so it followes that saving knowledge is no more acquirable then Salvation it selfe or remission of sins And where as he complaines of thorny objections that indangers the pricking of their fingers I answer him as Jesus Christ did Saul afterwards called Paul It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes Acts 9 5. so it is hard indeed to resist the Spirit of God whose comming is said to be in brightnesse and clearnesse of the Truth to destroy all Antichristian Tenents though they were esteemed never so Orthodoxe before 2 Thes 2.8 The Lord guide both him and me to see the Truth as it is in Jesus and there to rest and not as it is in any man or men whatsoever even as Saint Paul counsels Be ye followers of me as I am of Christ Ephes 5.1 A Briefe Amswer to R. H. his Book called The TRUE GUIDE FIrst he stiles his Booke the True Guide A speech very Emphaticall and seemes to me a Title too high for any sinfull Creature either to assume to himselfe or affixe to his writings for never did any one of the Apostles assume it but it was given only to Jesus Christ and to the Spirit of Truth First to Jesus Christ Revel 1.5 The faithfull witnesse And take notice of the word The three times in that verse Also it is given to the Spirit expresly Joh. 16.13 when he The Spirit of Truth is come he shall guide you into all Truth John Baptist indeed was A burning and a shining light Joh. 5.35 but Jesus Christ was the true light Ioh. 1.9 and The way The truth and The life Ioh. 14.6 But if his Spirit had been infallible and he had titled his Book A True Guide in stead of The True Guide then might his Title have proved Orthodoxe I hope he will suffer his Epistlers termes which now must remaine Hererodoxe and must of necessity be degraded Further he saith the weakest Christ an may be able to discerne the true way of the Spirit of God c. By way of the Spirit I suppose R. H. chiefly intends the outward way of it and that especially in the publike Ministery as may appeare in his third distinction Pag. 1. and his so oft mentioning of it almost in every Page to the end of the Booke at least it is the chiefe thing in difference betwixt us and whereupon I shall chiefly insist Truly it is strange to me that R. H. his Guide should habilitate the weakest Christian to discerne the true way of the Spirit of God about the publike Ministry for that he chiefly drives at whereas the strongest Christians indued with far greater light about this point in controversie then ever yet R. H. saw are at a stand about it witnesse the strong Controversie yet on foot about that point of Ministery and Church-Government even amongst them of clearest light Which Controversie was not in the Primitive times after the giving of the Holy Ghost Acts 2. For during the continuance of those necessary members of the Church of Christ 1 Cor. 12.27 the Apostolical Office Gifts which were infallible there was no place left for any difference among the Churches in that point it being a part of the truth of the Gospell revealed for if it were not so then by as good reason they might question the certainty of the whole Gospell as that part of it Witnesse likewise the flow comming in of the Synods Answer to the Parliaments Quaeries It followes from all false and erronious wayes Certainly R. H. must needs be indued with the gift of discerning of Spirits at least a gift not given to all in the Primitive Churches 1 Cor. 12.10 To another the working of miracles to another Prophesie to another discerning of Spirits c. I wonder that we in this Towne living so neare him have reaped no better fruits of it having divers times both by word and writing desired conference with him in a loving way and could not obtaine it but were put off with this excuse he had a paine in his head by reason of which his memory was weake Truly had not his love to us been weaker then that he made shew of and seemed earnestly oft times to desire he would have dealt with us as brethren and not have given us the first fruits of it in a scandalous and lying Pamphlet published to the world but would either by word or writing first have taken counsell of the Word and Spirit in Matth. 18.15 If thy brother trespasse against thee go tell him his fault betwixt him and thee alone c. which all Christians that understand that place both in Old and New England confesse to be a rule observable not only betwixt particular Brethren but by Analogie betweene Churches themselves in case of difference But he leaves not only that way but also the more excellent way of Love as the Apostle cals it 1 Cor. 12.31 But covet earnestly the best gifts and yet show I vnto you a more excellent way compared with 1 Cor. 14.1 follow after charity which way of love is not only to be sought before but is indeed more excellent then all Ordinances and likewise the Prophets and Apostles examples who never published to the world the grievances or imperfections of the people of God 2 Sam. 1.20 Tell it not in Gath publish it not in the streets of Askelon c Mica 1.10 Declare it not at Gath c. Yet the Apostles in divers of their Epistles had to do with false Apostles and with scandalous and false Brethren But he knowing no world no Gath nor Askelon now in being takes this unbrotherly course to render us that differ in judgement from him as odious to the world as

made Hereticks But if it be so that he himselfe useth to make all Scriptures speake what he would have them speake let him not conclude others do so because he doth so but let him remember his owne lesson and learne it Page 11. he saith there They that profit by the Word are more humble and low in their owne eyes and thinke every Christs 〈…〉 then themselves Phil. 2.3 and that at here know more of God then they do as Elihu Job 32.6 Who saith I am young and ye are old wherefore I was affraid and durst not shew you mine 〈◊〉 But seeing R. H. hath first spoken and published his opinion and that in a rigid and censorious way I am induced to take Elihu's further counsell verse 9.10 where he saith Great men are not 〈◊〉 wise neither do the aged understand judgement therefore I said hearken to me I will also shew you my opinion And so may I to R.H. though he be somewhat more aged then I declare my opinion for possibly R.H. may erre he is not a man infallible he may pervert the Scriptures as well as another man and so be liable to tryall unlesse it be lawfull for him to Stigmatize others without controule A little further in Page 12. he saith Some of them have denyed the truth of some Scriptures Answ This one expression the truth of some Scriptures plainly declares who he meanes as shall by and by appeare and verily had he been charitable and not malicious he would not have mentioned this about the Scriptures it being openly among all our opposites at that meeting where the difference about some Scriptures arose agreed upon as all can witnesse that were then present and this it was it was about Jobs three friends that came to visit him and I then spake to this effect that though the speech of Jobs three friends was in the Scripture and was a true relation of it and so in that sense is Scripture ye it is not positively the truth and mind of God as it came from them in relation to God Job and so in this latter sense it is not the Scripture Word or Truth of God my reasons are not only because Job disclaimes their speeches but even God himselfe Job 42.7 8. Saying ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right Now if it be not right it is falshood and so none of Gods Truth but only in the sense afore said that is to say a true relation Object But you are not the p●●●●● meant in the True Guide Answ Truly I wonder how he dares in the least to deny it the things being so plainly spoken which for the greatest part have passed betwixt us in this place from Page 11. the foure last lines and almost halfe way in Page 12. but especially this about denying the truth of some Scriptures I heare indeed a rumour of some men in the world that deny the Scriptures but they deny all alike and not some only and so cannot be the parties here intended for those intended here deny but some only Besides I sent him word by a friend of his that if we were none of them he aimed at in his Booke if he would but cleare us by declaring who they were it might give satisfaction to us but we have no answer to this day therefore it is plaine to me and others that all his faire glosses and guilded shewes to the contrary were but figg leaves to delude us that he might render us odious unobserved and this his cunning evasion is but a new tricke of the old Serpent to deceive us by faire words and foule deeds but let him read that place Rev 9.7 8 and consider it well those Locusts there spoken of are said to have faces as the faces of men reasonable and modest in their words and outward appearance but they had teeth like Lyons to bite withall And I am perswaded that the new persecution of the Saints that is to come by the old formall Professours shall be most bitter for who were greater enemies and persecutors of Christ and his Disciples then those formall Professors the Pharisees who were the strictest in the Jewish Religion Acts 26.4 5. even as those who were formerly called Puritans in the Protestant Religion Yet I speake not this of all that are our opposites in judgement for I put a wide difference betwixt those whom God hath endewed with the Spirit of brotherly love and concord and those who remaine still bewitched with the Antichristian spirit of persecution But it may be R. H. will say you plead for Christian Liberty and will not suffer us to enjoy ours Answ If R. H. say his Christian liberty consists in persecuting his brethren who are as deare to Christ as himselfe I utterly deny such Christian liberty both in judgement and practice and desire him to cleare and prove that to be lawfull which he hath done already namely to publish the grievances and differences among the Saints to the world contrary to that of David 2 Sam. 1.20 except he thinke that God as little regards the credit of his people as he or lesse now then in the time of the Law Certaine it is that God will have a time to vindicate his peoples reproach Zeph. 3.19 Behold saith the Lord at that time I will undee all that afflict thee c. And I will get them praise and fame in every Land where they have been put to shame and ver 10. I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth when I turne backe your captivity c. Truly Gods people are yet in their Spirituall captivity reproached not only from the world but even of them who thinke themselves no small Christians And because R.H. cites Doctor Sibbs on the Canticles I also desire him and others to read his notes upon those words Cant. 5.7 Page 298. who in those times he lived in was not altogether unsensible of the reproaches Gods people found then even as we find now abundantly as if that Prophesie in Cant. 5.7 were now fulfilling I will deliver it in his own words at large It should teach us saith he not to thinke the worse of any for the differences of the times the watchmen that is the Ministers as he interprets it here take away the vaile of the Church and her forwardnesse is disgraced by them And is it not so now are not our waies accounted mad zeale whimseys and doth not R.H. call it new light dealing with us as those did with Saint Paul Acts 17.19 20. May we know what this new Doctrine whereof thou speakest is for thou bringest certaine strange things to our eares Doctor Sibbs saith further Take heed therefore we entertaine not rash conceits of others upon the entertainment they find abroad in the world or even among those that have a standing in the Church for so we shall condemne Christ himselfe saith he how was he judged of the Priests Scribes