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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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shall be spoken against us falsly for his names sake who suffered the like contradiction of Sinners as we do now for they said that he had a devil and did deceive the people and unto us the bearing of his reproches is as great Riches although it be so be called Devils Witches and Deceivers for his sake for we have his witness in our selves that we are of God and that of God in all mens consciences shall bear witnesse unto us And as for thy saying That some Quakers killed their mother following the light within them It is Answered That there was such a thing done in Yorkeshire but that they ever bore the name of Q●akers is utterly false as thousands can witnesse but was of your own Generation Neither doth following the light of Christ within teach to do any such thing as thou blasphemously wou●dst reproach it whose coming is to save life and not to destroy it And though he come to make an end of sin both original and actual yet it is through his own blood and not with the blood of others So thy charge herein is blasphemous and false in this thing and in divers other particulars which thou mentionest against the Truth and its followers As concerning the Physician in Lincoln which thou tellest of and the Maid in London which thou tellest of and divers other particulars which are falshoods grounded upon the enmity of him who was a Lyer from the beginning and are not worth the mentioning after thee neither can any moderate spirit who have any taste of Truth in their own hearts be easily drawn to believe such things which have so little face of truth with them but is apparent fruit of enmitie And as thou tells of some Quakers dancing some cursing and swearing some killing and murthering and immoderate familiarity with women and many such things against which our God hath set us living witnesses both in life and doctrine as all that knowes us can testifie so much need not to be said in our defence as to those accusations being that our lives preaches the contrary where we come in all parts of the Nation as it is well known none dwells with us in the light of Jesus who act any of these thing and live in them and repent not but with you and your hearers these things are found who are our Enemies accusers and persecuters lived in and justified by Teachers and people is divers of these things unto this day against which we are witnesses An● as for thy saying a Quaker at Dover when he came to die said he expected Salvation by his own works and not by Christ and thy bringof John Davis a Priest for a witnesse hereto To which we say that John Davis having been asked hereof seems to deny it however this we testifie to be our Faith in Christ Jesus that by him only and through obedience to his works we are justified and not in our own And whereas thou accusest some of us for saying to a Priest Now is our day and we will have you down To this we say the day is come in which you are seen and the fall of Antichrist but for any such words or intention in us of violence towards you our hearts are cleer before God and he that shall either threaten or act so towards you we deny And whereas thou accusest E. B. for saying Give the Priests blood to drink for they are worthy It s well known to many that through the Priests yea by their own hands have several of our bloods been shed yet did never we attempt to shed any of yours or theirs nor ever shall do for it is the whore and her worship that hath in her the blood of the Saints and Prophets and all that are slain upon the Earth for the Testimony of Jesus of whom the Spirit of God hath said Give her blood to drink for she is worthy And we have this testimony in our Conscience towards the most blood-thirsty of you That we had rather see your repentance than that Scripture fulfilled upon you though these words E. B. might use in obedience to the same Spirit to those who continue in that spiritual Babylon And for any Quaker way-laying the Minister of Cowwould as thou calls him justling him by the way and drawing his sword half way We say This is as false as the rest and the Minister himself thou mentionest denies it and said If it was spoken concerning him he would give his hand against it before Humph Killingbeck and Rob. Thornden who went to him properly about that businesse to enquire it out And thus thy false accusations returns upon thy own head to thy shame As that open falshood concerning William Naylor brother to James coming into Savoy Church as thou calls it and there bellowing and affrighting the people that they ran away c. When as Iames Naylor had never a brother that ever came in London nor within above fifty miles of it Oh shamelesse Man it is time for thee to conceal thy name when thou undertakes such a work as is all along in this thy book wherin is a loathsomnesse to any sober Spi●it to follow thee in thy lies or read them after thee so we leave many of them unmentioned in particular as knowing they need no further answer but the savor they carry in themselves towards every sober mind that reads them As for Mary Todd comming into the B●ll and Mouth pulling up her coats and walking up and down the room and using base expressions whilst some of the Quakers were speaking To this we say she neither was nor is any Quaker but a Ranter who came thither to oppose the Quakers as many unclean spirits have done nor was this action done in our Meeting our Meeting not being that day in that place So this is like the rest Again thou mentionest things which thou callest our Opinions and thy charge in general is That let our tenents be never so diametrically opposite to the written verity yet we will father it upon the Spirit of truth and will make him the Inspirer of these falsities and that we make Christ the light within us to hold out palpable darkness To which we say As thy charge is general and signifies little so it is false for by the Spirit of Truth and Christ the light within us do we witnesse the verity fulfilled and not contradicted and by the same are we made opposite to the Spirit of darknesse and all its false worships And though we may say that the Spirit of Christ is the same that it was and so not unequal to it self in whom or at what time soever it appears according to the Measure of his appearance yet is he ever the Spirit of Truth and not against verity whether written or spoken but is the same that leads into a●l Truth as of himself he bears testimony and we must say that his speaking in his living Temples is of greater Authority with
ANSWER To a Book called the Fanatick History Published with the Approbation of divers Orthodox Divines so called and Dedicated to the King by RICHARD BLOME Against the QUAKERS· WHICH Being Examined and Tried is found to be a Packet of Old Lies many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament and since to other Parliaments and Protectors which by us was Answered and Confuted in the Year 1653. many other Lies and false Reports is gathered up since by them which herein is Answered and Disproved And herein also is a short Relation of the twelve changes of Governments which have bin in this Nation in those eight yeares under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that Truth which we yet stand Witnesses for against all its Opposers Richard Hubberthorne James Nayler Oh England In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood and in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger In thee have they vexed the fatherlesse and the W●dow In thee have they taken gi●●● t● shed blood Ezek. 22. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-Spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls 1660. In Answer to the Epistle directed to KING CHARLES FRIEND THou seems to dedicate thy book of false accusations to King Charles and would put it upon him as matter of his duty to be patron thereof but it is a wisdom in all men but especially in Rulers to know what they Father or take upon them to defend in this day when the old lier and murderer is at work in the earth seeking and creeping into every severall government to stir them up that are in present power by false accusations to persecute Gods innocent people yea what power hath risen in this age of men which have not been by flattering titles tempted hereunto and also overcome by a sort of teachers and people which are not children of peace nor have wrought peace in these nations or the rulers thereof but bloud falls and overturnings and if King Charles look to be established in peace and truth and Righteousness which is the anointing of God then he must not patronize lyes Prov. 20.12 Not countenance wickedness and envy which is the substance of thy book which thou wouldst have defended and against a harmless people whom thou wouldst have him suddainly to restrain and that under pretence of defending Christs faith But friend to restrain people from following the light of Christ in their consciences and his truth in their inward parts is not to defend his faith which faith is a mistery and held in a pure conscience And they that follow the Lamb are led by his spirit and truth in their inward parts and this the eternall God of Heaven and Earth requires and seeks such to worship him and this to restrain is not the Kings safety nor the work of his sword nor are you the friends of his establishment in Gods peace who would put him upon it to please your bloudy spirits But to restrain open ●rofainness and to be a terrour to evill doers and to preserve people from the fist of wickedness and to d●liver the poor and helpless from him that is too strong for him and to bring judgement into the gates and make it free for all sorts of people without respect of persons or opinions that the ●vil doer may be punished and the well doer encouraged in every corner of the nations that when God c●me to enquire for innocent blood or oppression it may not be found nor violence in the land This is that which God looks for at the hands of Kings and Rulers that they bear not the sword in vain and this you cry not for by which his authority maybe owned of God subjected for conscience sake but you would have that in the conscience strifled and restrained and then what is all obedi●nce worth towards God or men or Rulers but to follow any thing that is set up and be true in heart to nought and many such spirits will be found in this nation if ever King Charl●s stand in need to prove them further then by flattery and self e●as as those have f●und that was before him And whether it will be his wisdom to fall upon the tender Lambs of Christ and seek to restr●in th●m from following their leader and so procure his wrath for pleasing these spirits let the wise in heart judge who have duly observed Gods appearance towards such a work all along in this age And whereas thy complaint is that if his Majesty put not forth his Royall hand and power to restrain us we are so seducing that in a little time we wil defuse our poyson over the better part of his kingd●m for nought but a Royal Authority can stifle it I say then what is become of your spiritual weapons have not your teachers told people of the str●ngth of truth and the power of godlin●ss have you lost both may wisd●m say and run you now to the arm of flesh to get errors stifled as you call them or else your hope is lost and your faith fails you did ever any of Christs ministers leave their spirituall weapons to run to the arm of flesh or a carnall weapon to stop seducers I say no this they never did but with spiritual weapons they wrestled and overcame spiritual wickedness and with that cut down heresies blasphemi●s and false worships and cl●ared the Churches of Christ of them and drove them down before them in the world for none could resist the spirit by which they spoke of all the false priests and false worshipers but being put to worse they cryed as you say to rulers and people help us or all will be over run for they that turn the world upside down are come hither mind your cry and then the rude multitude run as heaps upon them and made tumults often and fell upon them with staves and fists assaulted the houses that entertained them as yours do and so haled them before rulers who take their part herein and put them in prisons and often whipt them unless it were some that were so noble as not to heed the cry of their multitudes but would hear their cause and give leave to speak before they would sentence them that was accused and this was the nobility of heathen Kings and rulers and do not you seek to make Englands Rulers worse least heathens rise up in the day of judgement against them who are called christians and condemn them And in this your cry for help against so contemptible a people you like silly women do but discover your weakness and worthlesness and if God open the eye of King Charles he will see it what have you pr●●ched and wrestled your selves out of all hope and saith that either suddain help from him or all is lost and overrun Surely it may be said you have been
since his eternal Power broke forth and was manifest amongst us hath he done great things in the Earth for he hath prepared his way and made it plain before the face of all people by the appearance and testimony of his eternal light in their hearts which hath not only the●e shined but is broken forth into a life of Righteousness in many whom the Lord hath accounted worthy to be his Servants in his work to raise up a seed unto Jacob and to gather the dispersed of Israel and Juda both Jews and Gentiles into the Covenant of Light and Life with the Father from whence the● are erred by transgression and for the accomplishing of this Work and Service hath the Lord furnished us with Spiritual Weapons to war even against Spiritual wickednesse in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And against the Rulers of the Darknesse of ●his world Ephes. 6.12 which hath appeared under many Forms and Governments since the breakings forth of truth in this Nation Yea many Heads or Governments hath been raised up and cast down again by one Hand and Power and have all from the Lord through his Servants had a word of Wisedom and Councel ministred unto them what they should do that they might be established which if they did not the Lord would break them to pieces which word of the Lord was fulfilled upon them all And every divers Head had a Horn in it to push at the Lambs of Christ withall and at every appearance of his Spirit and Power in his People but for his Elect sake was their daies shortned and his breakings and destruction came upon them according to his word spoken to them by his Servants at divers times And it is to be observed as the Lords doing and ordering by his mighty Power that with in these eight years since we have been persecuted and cruelly used for the name and Testimony of Jesus and the Answer of a pure Conscience there hath been twelve Changes of Government in this Nation which have all of them more or lesse been guiltie of our Sufferings either in acting against us or in suffering others to act cruelly and not endeavouring to restrain them when they had power in their hands to do it and the sufferings laid before them who suffered for Righteousnesse sake so that they could not plead Ignorance but was left without excuse which now in the day of their misery and tribulation some of them do consider it when their time is no more 1. As first in the time of the Long-Parliament in the year 1652. although many pretended some prayed and some fought for Liberty of Conscience in matters of Religion and yet at that time were we imprisoned beat and persecuted for obeying and worshipping our God in Spirit and Truth according to his teaching and at that time the Priests Rage begun to burn like fire and they run one unto another and kindled the wrath in one another against the Truth even to petition against the spreading of it and those that walked in it as a dangerous thing and they generally with one consent called the Truth Heresie Delusion and Blasphemy and those that ministered it abroad they called Ring-leaders of Sects as in the Apostles daies there was the like example But these was warned in their day not to persecute the Innocent nor to uphold those that preached for filthy lucre who served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellies But they hearkned not to the Council of the Lord but shut their ears against his Instructions therefore was their day taken from them and their Power given to another that they also might be tryed 2. In the year 1653. a Council of State was called by O.C. but they did nothing to take off the weight of oppression in the Nation neither in Spiritual nor Civil things for Pride and the deceiptfulnesse of Riches entred into their hearts that they did not regard nor set themselves wholly to do that which the Lord did require of them although they were warned of God in their time yet the Yoke of the oppressor was not taken away but under it the Nation groaned and they wrought no deliverance in the earth 3. Then the Little Parliament sat in the same year and there was a plant of Righteousnesse tending towards some equity and freedom springing up in them but the strength of deceipt and subtilty in others did Quench it before it brought forth any thing to perfection and in that time the Priests fierce persecuting Zeal was so inflamed that many Petitions from several parts of the Nation was presented against the Quakers to the Parliament and their continual clamor Petitions and Addresses and they being regarded and harkned unto was one cause of the continuance of the Nations bondage and oppression and God never prospered such as received them into their Councils or gave heed to their reports but a Curse and Destruction alwaies followed them in their undertakings whose ear was open unto such things And in the time of this Power and Government was persecution continued about Religion though much was pretended to the contrary they also were warned and wisely counselled in their day and so was left without excuse 4. Again in the same year was O.C. made Protector who had his day and power in his hand to have done good and to have done that which he and others pretended but he joyning with the covetous Priests and their Interests to make his arm strong thereby betrayed the Lord and his People into the hands of sinners And insteed of removing Persecution he caused new Acts to be made to Persecute by and so brought a Curse upon himself and Family and Tribulation upon those that trusted in him And the Lord did often visit him with reproofs and instructions untill he hardened his heart against all reproof and then was he given up of the Lord and of his People to his appointed end as an Example to all Hypoc●ites and Treacherous ones 5. Again his second Parliament was called and sat in the year 1654. in their daies was not the Land eased nor freed from its bondage and when they had let in the Priests Spirit and was insensed against the Truth and intending to make Laws to Persecute then were they broken and their power taken from them who in their day was warned but did not the thing which the Lord required of them 6. Oliver's 3d. Parliament which consisted of two Houses sat in the year 1657. they more than any of the rest did draw back into that which they had declared against and they let in the P●iests Persecuting Spirit and made Laws for Persecution and many were Imprisoned in the time of their Government because for Conscience sake they could not pay Tithes to the Hireling Priests and because they could not Swear contrary to Christs command Mat. 5. And they had many warnings and admonitions from the Lord which they rejected and so the Lord rejected them as from doing