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A10844 A treatise of the lavvfulnes of hearing of the ministers in the church of England: penned by that late learned and reverent deuine, Mr. Iohn Robinsz. late pastor to the new English church of God in Leyden. Printed according to the copie that was found in his studie after his decase [sic]: and now published for the common good. Together with a letter written by the same authore: and approued by his church: vvhich followeth after this treatise Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. 1634 (1634) STC 21116; ESTC S112268 28,560 99

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them 14. OBIECTION They that eat of the sacrifice partake of the Alter 1. Cor. 10. 18. so they that receaue the word from an vnlawfull Officer partake with his office ANSWERE I deny the consequence The office is not to the vvord as the Alter is to the sacrifice The Alter makes the thing to be offred actually to become a sacrifice vvhich it vvas not before saue only in destination as Christ plainly teacheth saying Math. 23. 19. The Alter sanctifieth the gift but so doth not the office make that to become the vvord of God vvhich vvas not so actually before This argument hath its speciall waight being applied to sacraments or proper institutions The church and ministerie vnder God make in a good sence the bread and vvine sacramentall in their vse vvhich before they vvere not And to the sacraments speciallie the supper of the Lord The Apostle in the place cited hath an eye shevving the proportion betvveene the eating of the sacrifices in Israell which in that vse became their sacraments the eating of the sacrifices of the Heathens which were their sacraments and the eating of the Lords supper as the sacrament of christians With these things joyn in the last place that sacrificies considered as proper institutions might not be offred or eaten Deut. 12. 5. 6. 7. but in the place chosen and sanctified by the Lord for that purpose No more may sacraments now be eaten but in the church vvheras the vvord may be preached to any as vvell out of the church as in it 15. OBIECTION The places called Temples churchs hauing been built for Idolatry should de demolished and therfore are not to be frequented specially being accounted and made holy places Deut. 12. 3. ANSWERE Iohn 4. 21 23. 24. 1. The difference of places vnder the lavv 1. Tim. 2. 6 vvhen all other places for the most solemne vvorshippe as opposed to that one place as holy vvere vnholy is now taken away so as no place novv is holy or vnholy as then 2. Suppose it be the Magistrates dutie to destroy them of which I now dispute not nor howfarre he should proceed therein yet I deny the consequence and that I may not vse that lavvfully vvhich he ought to destroy The Magistrate ought to haue destroyed such cities in Israell Deut. 13. 12. 13. 14. 14. as vvhose inhabitants had been corrupted vvith Idolatry Yet might the cities if spared by the Magistrats lavvfully be dvvelt in aftervvards Synagogues in them both be built and frequented for Gods morall worshippe Iericho should haue been Iosh. 6. 17. 36. an execration and heap for euer 2. King 2. 3. 5. yet being built again and standing vvas the seat of a school of the Prophets The murtherer ought to be put to death yet if he be spared and surviue his wife children and seruants lavvfully may and in conscience ought to conuerse vvith him according to the naturall and ciuill relations betvveene them and him 3. I knovv no lavv in force nor doctrine receaued in the church of England that ascribes any holines to the places And for errours and abuses personall they rest in the persons so erring I suppose some such holines be ascribed vnto them as to holy churches holy buildings consecrated places c. Yet I see no sufficient reason vvhy I may not vse lavvfully a naturall and ciuill place in them for any lawfull vvork ciuil or religious priuate or publique for there is one reason of all these If any think those places like the Idolathites he mistaketh therein The things offred to Idols eaten in the Idols temple and feast vvere in proportion 1. Cor. 10. as the bread vvine being blessed in the Lords supper as both the Apostle and reason of the thing manifests Whereas the place vvhich I vse though for a religious action to be performed in it vvhether in the temple or in mine ovvne house hath onely the consideration of a naturall and ciuill circumstance The temple as a temple vvhich yet I do not think is done in England by any either receaued doctrine or lavv may be made an Idoll by consecration and yet euery perticuler place in it not made vnlavvfull for all vses If any further object that in preaching hearing Gods Word therin vve haue a religious vse of it they erre not considering that though the vvork done be religious yet the place is no more religious therefore then the time in which I do it Time and place are naturall circumstances and vvithout vvhich no finite action can be performed and some time and place more comodious fitt then others for the doing of things of all kindes I haue no more religious vse of the place in vvhich I hear publiquely thē in which I pray priuately in my house or chamber 16. OBIECTION Seing vvhatsoeuer is not of faith is sinne vvhat vvord of God and so of faith is therefor this practice ANSWERE Euery scripture that either commands Mat. 7. 24. the hearing of Gods vvord Luk. 11. 28. promiseth a blessing to them that 1. Pet. 2. 5. hear and keep it Tit. 3. 1. or that commands me to edifie and built to my selfe Heb. 12. 14. or to obey the Magistrate or to followe after peace or to preuent offences 1. Cor. 10. 32. vvarrants and in cases enjoyns this practice supposing no sinne to be in the vvay of vvhich in ansvvering the former objections to vvhich I suppose all other of vvait or couller may be referred I hope I haue cleared it And for any vnsatisfied or other vvise minded I vvishe I knew their reasons either for their good by a sufficient answere to be giuen vnto them or for mine owne by admitting of them as there may appeare vvait in them In the meane vvhile let me intreat of the differentlie minded one vvay or other that they vvould exercise mutually that true christian charitie one tovvard another and compassion one of anothers infirmities which becoms all that vvill be in trueth and deed follovvers of Christ Iesus vvhich is most needfull speciallie in things of this kinde for the preseruing of the vnitie of the spirit in the bond of peace Which bond of peace whilest men are not carefull to keep inviolated by brotherly for bearance in matters of this nature they miserablie dissipate and scatter themselues and one another euen as the eares in a sheffe are scattered vvhen the bond breaketh But as few or no good things of any kinde are so vvell vsed by some but others as much abuse them so is it to be feared that there vvill not vvant vvho vvill change their lawfull libertie this vvay into lavvlesse licentiousnes and so take vp in steed of all other religious exercises a hearing course onely And those specially of them who disliking the present churchstate in England yet vvant due zeale and loue to that vvhich themselues approue Let me a litle turn my speach to such