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A56866 Quatermayns conquest over Canterburies court, or, A briefe declaration of severall passages between him and the Archbishop of Canterbury with other commissioners of the High Commission Court, at six severall appearances before them, and by them directed to Doctor Featly : with their severall conferences, and the doctors by Roger Quatermayne. Quatermayne, Roger.; Laud, William, 1573-1645.; Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. 1642 (1642) Wing Q148; ESTC R9277 38,184 64

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I never saw the Court so affronted before you have spoken enough to lay you by the heeles Quater Did not you say Doctor Reeve even now that you were mine accuser Doct. Reeve Yes Quater Then it is not fit you should be my Judge Archb. Mr. Quatermayne I have often heard of your name but I never saw your face before Quater My Lord I was borne not far from you Archb. In what place Quater At Watlington in Oxfordshire Archb. That is a good way off above ten miles Doct. Reeve Neere Challgrove said Doctor Reeve Quater Within two or three miles of it on this side Archb. It was not in the Countrey but here in London and neere to it but I am sorry to heare what I doe heare of you Quater My Lord I have not offended the Law in any thing to my knowledge Archb. Where did the Messenger finde you Quater At my owne house Archb. Who was with you Quater My Wife Archb. And who else Quater No body else Archb. What time was it that the Messenger came to you Quater At five of the clock in the Morning Archb. You rise betimes in the Morning Mr. Quatermayne and goe abroad and hee could not finde you at home at other times Quater I doe rise and goe abroad as my occasions serve Archb. Yea and it is very well and honestly done so to doe Mr. Quatermayne Well Mr. Quatermayne I pray repayre to Doctor Fea●…ly and then come hither againe this day fortnight I hope by that time you will have your judgement rightly informed Wee have done for this present Farwell Mr. Quatermayne This is the summe and substance of my first Appearance at Lambeth house and when I went away a great number of people came away with me which was agreat offence unto them in so much that the Officers said halfe the Court goeth away with Master Quatermayne Now followeth the Conference between Doctor Featly and my Selfe at his house I Came to Doctor Featly according to my direction the next weeke following to confe●…e about the Oath whom I found very Wise Rationall and Discreete and hee tooke much paines to perswade mee the Oath was lawfull and might be taken so it were ministred with Caution and according to Law and hee prest mee with his owne Example who had taken the Oath and as hee said had warily and wisely subscribed thereunto did avoyd much danger which other wise had fallen upon him then I requested the Doctor to give mee some Scriptures as might cleare the thing in hand 〈◊〉 hee very reddily condescended thereunto which Scriptur●… I here insert in Figures for brevitie sake The 〈◊〉 was the 4th of Ieremie and the second verse The 22. of Exodus the 11. verse The first of Kings the 8. chap the 31. verse The 10th of Ezra the 7. verse The 13. of the Romans the 1. verse Which Scriptures how purtenent they are to the Oath Ex officio I leave to you to judge After the Doctor and I had much talked concerning the lawfulnesse and the unlawfulnesse of the Oath he very modestly and moderately reasoning with me told mee he did commend mee in using the best meanes that I could in satisfying of my Conscience in things of such Consequence as this is and therefore saidhee unto me the Cause being your owne it lyeth you upon to give me your doubts and I will doe my best indeavours to give you satisfaction Then Sir said I I will bee bold to propound some things unto you then said the Doctor I pray doe Master Quatermayne what you please I have been a Doctor this one and twenty yeares but I never had any man so Rationall to reason with mee before I hope our meeting will be to Gods glory and our owne goods I hope you will get some benefit by me for I will doe my best indeavour to get by you I promise you therefore I pray Master Quatermayne speake your minde Quater Sir if you please we will reduce the Oath to action and then bring it to rule Doct. Featly Yea marry Sir with all my heart that is a good way indeed Quater With subjection to better judgement I doe conceive every action that is good must have these three things in it that which is last in prosecution must be first in intention Doct. Featly In truth well spoken Master Quatermayne it must be so indeed Quater The end to which it must tend the rise from whence it springs the means by which it is accomplished they must be all good or else the action cannot be good the end must be the glory of God and the good of the creature the rise must be from a soule sanctified in covenant with God by faith in Christ Jesus or that is conducible thereunto and the meanes must be according to the will of God revealed in his Word all which I refer to your grave and wise co●…deration Doct. Featly Nay certainly Master Quatermayne all this is truth Quater Then Sir with subjection to better judgement I shall produce and lay downe three Rules to try an action by Doct. Featly I pray doe Mr. Quatermayne this is a very profitable way of reasoning Quater The first Rule is the third of the Romans the eight verse Thou shalt not doe evill that good may come thereof The second Rule is the fourth of the Philippians the eight Verse Furthermore Brethren whatsoever things are true whatsoever things are honest whatsoever things are just whatsoever things are pure whatsoever things are worthy of love whatsoever things are of good report if there be any vertue or if there be any praise thinke on these things The third Rule is the first of the Thessalonians the fift Chapter the twenty-two Verse Shun all kinde or appearance of evill Now Sir if you please wee will bring the Oath Ex Offic●…o to Rule as it is an action and Sir as I conceive under correction of all the Scriptures you have named there is but one that is purtenant to the purpose Doct. Featly Then said the Doctor it is the fourth of Jeremy the second Verse Quater You say true said I and therefore I pray Sir bring the Oath Ex Officio to that Scripture and open that Scripture and shew how lawfully by that Scripture I may take the Oath Doct. Featly That will I gladly doe said the Doctor First Thou shalt sweare in truth saith the Prophet and that doe I beleeve you will doe saith he for I take you for an honest man and therefore you will speake nothing but the truth Secondly Thou shalt sweare in judgement and that doe I beleeve you will doe because you are an understanding man Thirdly Thou shalt sweare in righteousnesse and that doe I also beleeve you will doe because the Oath being in a lawfull way administred unto you it is a righteous and a just thing for you to submit thereunto Quater Now good Sir give me leave to deale with the Oath and with 〈◊〉 Scripture and to bring it
to the Rules afore-cited Doct. Featly Yea with all my heart said the Doctor God forbid else it is very fit that wee should labour to have our judgements informed in every thing Quater Then Sir in the first place I cannot sweare in truth and therefore if any should aske mee as Pilate did Christ what thing is truth I must answer him in this particular I cannot tell and that because truth is wrapt up and hid from mine eyes either in the administration of the Oath or in the Oath it selfe that I cannot see it Secondly I cannot sweare in judgement because my judgement wanteth information from my understanding by reason of the darknesse and obscuritie of the Oath and yee know what Salomon saith Where there is not judgement the minde is not good Thirdly I cannot sweare in righteousnesse for it is an unrighteous thing for me either to accuse my selfe or my brother and therefore I conceive by vertue of this Scripture this Oath can lay no waight on my conscience and therefore wee will bring it to the Rule as to the touchstone to try it by for I doe conceive the end of this Oath is voyde because neither is God glorified nor my brother edified which ought to be the end of every action And now as concerning the rise from whence it came wee will examine that Doct. Featly I pray doe so I like this very well Quater Then Sir you may remember the Oath was grounded on a Statute in Henry the fourths time and it was a cursed curbe or scourge invented by the Papists and Prelates to punish and put to death the people of God under the name of Lollords who then were true Christians And this Oath was supprest in King Edwards dayes and in Queene Maryes dayes it was set up againe and in the first of Queene Elizabeth it was supprest and the High Commission Court was establisht and hath continued by the Bishops ever since and they have made use of this Oath both to suppresse the people truth of God and therefore the rise of this Oath cannot be good Thirdly This Oath is contrary to all good meanes for by the Law of God every thing should be determined by two or three Witnesses and this Oath causeth a man to be his owne accuser witnes and judge contrary to the Law of God and of the Land and the Law of Nature and therefore this Oath as it is an action neither is nor can be good and therefore to be avoyded Quater Now Sir I pray let me aske you a question or two Doct. Featly What you will Mr Quatermayne and I will indeavour to answer you Quater What benefit shall I have by taking the Oath Doct. Featly A two fold benefit The first is your libertie and that is a great benefit as you know Secondly If you will call for it you may have a Promoter of the cause and he shall give you good securitie to pay the cost of the Suit if you overthrow him and this the Court cannot deny if you will challenge it at their hands Quater I doe acknowledge Sir that both these be good so that I might have them with a good conscience Now Sir I will bring it to the first Rule and that is this Thou mayst not doe evill that good may come thereof thy damnation is just in so doing for me to have my body at libertie and my conscience in prison it is an evill and a bitter thing so to doe and therefore by this Rule to be avoyded Againe secondly for me to have my cost allowed me and goe further in debt with God by reason of sinne that will not hold by this Rule and therefore as our Saviour saith What will it profit a man to winne the whole world and loose his owne soule Againe for the second bring the Oath Ex Officio to the second Rule and see what good report it hath among its neighbours I never heard wise man nor foole good man or bad speake a good word for it surely if it were good there would not yesterday have been at the Parliament House so many hundreds as was to speake against it Thirdly Bring it to the third Rule which is Shun and avoyd all appearance of evill and this is not onely an appearance but evill it selfe and therefore to be avoyded Doct. Featly Truly Mr Quatermayne you have reasoned to the purpose I am sorry that time calleth mee away from you What is it you would have mee to write I will write what you will have me to write Quater No good Sir by no meanes I will not appoint you what to write for then it will be my report and not yours therefore I will leave it to your wisdome and Gods guiding to direct you write what you please Doct. Featly Truly Mr Quatermayne I will write nothing that shall do you any hurt I pray will you fetch it upon thursday morning and my man shall deliver it unto you Quater This is the summe and substance of the Conference betweene Doctor Featly and my selfe being to him directed by the High Commission Court Here followeth a Copie of Doctor Featly's Report to the High Commission Court upon our Conference To the Right Honourable and most Reverend Father in God WILLIAM Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury his Grace Primate of all ENGLAND and Mettopolitan IN obedience to an Order made by your Grace in the Honourable Court of High Commission on Roger Quatermayne Gent. Came to my House the fift of this instant May to conferre with mee whom I found conformable to the Doctrine Discipline and all holy Orders and Constitutions of our Church save onely he maketh some scruple in taking the Oath Ex Officio and in that also he seemeth to mee very desirous to receive satisfaction and if by your gracious favour and goodnesse he may obtaine a longer time of respit more maturely to consider of the point and resolve his Conscience I conceive good hope that he will conforme himselfe to the publike Justice of this Kingdome and submit in all things to the proceedings and Order of this Honourable Court Your gracious humbly devoted DANIEL FEATLY Quater My second appearance in the High Commission Court was the seventh of May 1640. Bishop Wrenne I being called by Bishop Wrenne the Arch-Bishop being absent that day the Bishop of Ely asked me if I would take the Oath Quater To whom I answered as before that I would not take it for I did not hold it lawfull Bish. Wrenne Why said the Bishop you were to goe to Doctor Featly and that he should report hither how he found you Quater To whom I answered I did goe according as I was directed Bish. Wrenne Well said the Bishop and what doe you say of Doctor Featly Quater I answered and said that he was a very wise and judicious Gentleman Bish. Wrenne How said the Bishop a wise and judicious Gentleman and yet not give you satisfaction concerning the lawfulnesse of the Oath Quater I
and I was no whit discouraged by his words as knowing my hope was not in the world but in God onely There I waited certaine houres while men stared on mee and every one censured mee and condemning mee At the length I was called in before the Lords where was about sixteene or seventeene of them together and when I had stood there a pretty while the Lords looking one upon another and then upon me at last spake the Lord privie Seale to the Archbishop of Canterbury My Lord what say you to this man Archb. Then the Archbishop said this Mr Quatermayne standing here before your Lordships is such a one as will not submit to our Court nor our authoritie especially our High Commission Court neither will he subscribe to the Oath Ex Officio although I have used all means to informe his judgement and resolve his conscience and therefore I appointed him Doctor Featly to whom he himselfe was willing to goe that so he might receive information of his judgement from him and I never used him unkindly I appeale to himselfe for I never imprisoned him nor threatned him with imprisonment and yet notwithstanding he is so farre from the taking the Oath that he hath been in the Countrey in divers places both in Oxfordshire and in Barkshire and there hath drawn much people together and preached unto them and made Conventicles as I am credibly informed by divers wise and judicious Gentlemen that he hath preached and made Conventicles in the Countrey in divers places and at sundry times Archb. Master Quatermayne were you not at Farrington the latter part of this Summer Quater No my Lord I was never at Farrington in all my life Archb. I was informed that you were and that you drew much people there together and made Conventicles Quater I was never there Archb. Were you not that wayes Quater Yes my Lord though I will not take the Oath Ex Officio yet I will speake the truth in any thing that shall be demanded I was at Longworth Archb. And did you not there draw people together and make Conventicles Quater No my Lord I did not draw people together nor make Conventicles Archb. My Lords for any thing that I doe know to the contrary Master Quatermayne was the principall cause of the mutiny upon Thursday last at the Convocation House at Pauls although he was not called nor did wee intend any more to call him and therefore in as much as he doth not neither will submit to our authoritie I will have no more to doe with him but refer him to your Lordships Quater Then spake the Lord Privie Seale in this manner following Lord Privie Seale Quatermayne Quatermayne Quatermayne You keepe a fayre quarter you quarter it indeed you are a Separatist an Anabaptist a Brownist a Familist and you are Preacher to them all and they all receive quarter from you and you upon Thursday last raysed a multitude of them and made a mutiny and you pulled downe the High Commission Court and no Court of Justice can stand for you you will pull them all downe as you were the cause of the High Commission Court pulling downe the other day as we shall justly prove and you are like to suffer for it I will assure you Quater My Lords is it your pleasure that I shall speake and they all answered Yes Quater Then I turning my selfe to the Archbishop said for answer to your Lordships whereas you say I doe not submit unto your High Commission Court I thus farre submit as being bound in a band of one hundred pounds to attend your Court I have alwayes attended as I have been appointed and whereas your Lordship saith you have used all means to informe my judgement by appointing me to goe to Doctor Featly I doe acknowledge it a truth and the Doctor did take paines therein And whereas you say you used me not unkindly in not imprisoning nor threatning of me I doe not lay any hard thing to your charge But for my not taking the Oath Ex Officio my Lords I will give all your Lordships a reason thereof it is not for want of information of my judgement for my judgement is rightly informed and I doe know and will prove it that the Oath Ex Officio is contrary to the Law of God and of the Land and of the Law of Nature and therefore I neither did nor never will take it Then turning my selfe to the Lord privie Seale I answered him in this manner As for all that your Lordship hath said it is impurtenent and to no purpose it is no way proper nor appertaining unto mee at all all that your Lordship hath spoken I will reduce into two heads and answer it in two words Whereas your Lordship saith I am a Separatist a Brownist an Anabaptist and a Familist all which I doe deny and will prove the contrary and for proofe hereof if you will be pleased to call in the Messenger he shall prove that I was at Saint Georges Church and heard both Service and Sermon this day Lord of Dorset Can you make that appeare said the Lord of Dorset Quater Yes my Lord if you please to call in the Messenger he shall justifie it Lord Dorset No said the Lord of Dorset it shall suffice I thinke you speak truth Sir Francis Windebank Master Quatermayne said Sir Francis Windebank Doe you receive the Sacraments in our Church Quater Yes I receive both the Sacraments Baptisme and the Lords Supper and all my children have been Baptised in this Church according to the 〈◊〉 of the same Lord of Dorset Can you make all this appeare to be true M Quatermayne said the Lord of Dorset Quater Yes my Lord by a thousand witnesses I will not tell a lye before your Honours for a hundred pounds Lord of Dorset I thinke you will not sayth the Lord of Dorset Quater Then I turned my selfe to my Lord Privie Seale and 〈◊〉 my second head thus That I was not nor could not be the cause of the mutiny in Pauls I will give your Lordships a just account how I spent my whole time on Thursday 〈◊〉 In the Morning when I went from my owne house I past over the Water to Bridewell to an honest man that hath some Suits in Law to advise with him the best I could for his owne good and stayed with him the space of an houre and from thence I went to Fryday Streete to a Merchant and there I continued about an houre more and from thence into CloakeLane and from thence into St Thomas Apostles and there stayed untill dinner time and from thence I with one more went to the Dagger in Fryday-street and there wee dined and our dinner cost nine pence and from thence wee walked together to Pauls-Church-yard and from thence he went about his occasions and I into Pauls to attend the High Commission Court I went alone no body with me and when I came thither there stood a