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A85314 Separation examined: or, a treatise vvherein the grounds for separation from the ministry and churches of England are weighed, and found too light. The practise proved to be not onely unwarrantable, but likewise so hurtful to the churches, that church-reformation cannot with any comfort go forward, so long as such separation is tolerated. Also an humble request presented to the congregational divines, that since the differences between them and the classical-divines are very small they would please to strike in with the classical-divines in carrying on the worke of reformation, before the inundation of these corrupt opinions, have destroyed both ordinances and religion. / By Gi. Firmin minister to the church in Shalford in essex. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1652 (1652) Wing F964; Thomason E656_12; ESTC R206624 107,263 123

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mutuò Beza so Piscator so Zanchy When drunkards are full of wine then they begin to sing their Songs saith he so Christians filled with this wine have these Spirituall Songs Psalmes c. to sing for the difference between these see our English Annotations or Hiero. in Loc. Severall Objections are here made which I shall not study to answer only in a word 1 They say The text doth not say sing one to another but speake one to another the Psalmes dwelling in their hearts they were to dispense them in way of teaching but as for singing he maketh no mention of that untill he came to teach them the manner of dispensing the Word of Christ a darke expression unto God in the end of the verse and that is making melody in the heart Master Cotton answers with a grave reproofe That men should rather bow their judgements and practises to Scripture Language then bow the sence of the Scripture to their owne conceptions against the Language of the Scripture for saith he it is one thing to speake one to another in Psalmes and Hymnes and spirituall Songs as is done in singing and another thing to teach one another out of Psalms c. It is true they were to teach one another out of the Psalmes and the scope of Paul will reach that but if he had meant only so he would not have said Speake yee one to another In Psalmes but Out of the Psalmes as is the Scripture phrase c. 2 To me it seemeth strange if that were all Pauls meaning why should Paul mention only those parts of the Word which use to be sung Why doth he not mention the Prophets Isaiah c. as also the New Testament to teach one another out of them Are there not as excellent Truths gracious Promises to be found in those Prophets and worthy for Christians to be instructed in as in the Psalmes or other Songs that we finde of Moses Deborah c but for Isaiah Jeremiah and all those Prophets besides other parts of the Old and New Testament they were never wont to be sung in the Church but only these which Paul mentions in both places not adding any portion of Scripture more in the Epist to the Colossians then to the Ephesians therefore I cannot beleeve that should be the meaning as the Objector saith 3 The Apostle mentions singing we see presently now if any thing can be made out of what the Objector saith it may possibly be this That Paul would have them teach one another the sence and scope of a Psalme that all may understand the meaning of the Psalme they sing as is the practise of some Ministers if they be to sing a Psalme that is more darke then in a few words they give the people to understand the meaning of the Psalme they sing and so sing with understanding 1 Cor. 14 15. I say Why may not this be something of the meaning I leave it to more able heads to judge But this doth not exclude singing But whereas he conceives singing should be only the making melody in the heart Hieron in Colos 3. Nusquam legimus aliquem sine voce cantasse unde necesse est hic in corde ex corde intelligi c. I pray let him heare what an old Commentator said long agoe upon the words We read no where that any one sung without a voyce wherefore it is necessary that in the Heart here he understood from the Heart viz. That we sing not only with the mouth but with the heart So Beza In your heart i. e. Serio cordis affectu non autem linguâ duntaxat neque enim in corde idem hic declarat atque intus apud se cum mentio fiat canendi in caetu So other Divines as Calvin Zanchy c. whom I forbeare to name The same text also affords a good ground for singing Davids Psalmes with other spirituall Songs recorded in Scripture or else I desire them to give me a reason why Paul should direct us to the very Titles of Davids Psalmes and yet not meane Davids Psalmes any one that hath the least taste of the Hebrew Language knowes this Some of them are called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Psalms the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is used about forty times in Davids Psalmes I doe not stand upon the exact number 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hymnes the Book of Davids Psalmes is named by this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Spirituall Songs See Buxto Concord Exod. 15. this is frequent in Davids Psalms also Deborah useth this word Judg. 5.12 so now it seemes strange that Paul should point us to these and yet we must not sing them which were sung before The third ground that moves me is the example I finde in the New Testament of Christ himselfe with his Apostles Matth. 26.30 they sung a Hymne he did not sing it between the Passeover and the institution of the Supper as being a Typicall thing and so let it be joyned to the Passeover as the Jewes did but after he had instituted that Ordinance which must last to the end of the world and they received the Bread and Wine then he and they sung as some conceive six Psalmes Beza in Loc. beginning at 112. to 117. whence it is the practise of Churches following the patterne to sing after the receiving of the Supper So the example of Paul and Silas Act. 16 25. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hymnos canebant Deo saith Beza or Hymnis laudabant Deum Piscator and Pasor they praised God with Hymnes that which some object the text saith they sang praises not Psalmes this is very poore besides the originall word how should one sing praises to God but in some Psalme spirituall Sons c. for Praise if you take it properly as distinct from honour and glory is but the honourable making mention of another and that externally by tongue or pen also that text Heb. 13.15 by him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually that is the fruit of our lips c. intimates as much And this text over-throws that conceit of singing only in the heart which one that was a member of the Church of Rowly in New England had taken up and upon that ground and some other notions he had denied singing and maintained as well as he could that singing of Psalmes was no Ordinance of God I doe not know how this mans opinion came to be knowne for had he kept his owne counsell I suppose none should much have taken notice of him which makes me thinke it was of his owne venting at first our Elders laboured with him to convince him the Elders of Ipswich besides his owne Pastor this text was alledged to prove singing with an Audible voyce for they sang and the Prisoners heard him yet this man could not or rather would not for the thing is plaine as any one may understand be