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A82528	A friendly debate on a weighty subject: or, a conference by writing betwixt Mr Samuel Eaton and Mr John Knowles concerning the divinity of Iesus Christ: for the beating out, and further clearing up of truth.	Eaton, Samuel, 1596?-1665.; Knowles, John, fl. 1646-1668.	1650 (1650)	Wing E121; Thomason E609_16; ESTC R205964	49,997	66

Sabellianism Your Third Scripture is Tit. 3.13 Tit. 3.13 which I shall pass over till I come to your second paper where it is brought forth in a more formal way and with an appearance of greater strength THat which follows is 1 Iohn 5.20 1 Iohn 5.20 This is the true God and eternall life Answ Christ is the most high God in that he is as you suppose here called the true God The words I confess at the first blush seems to stand on your side but if well considered they speak not a word for your cause for they relate not to the Son but to the Father onely First if we consider these words this is the true God and eternal life as an intire body of themselves not having dependance on the words immediately preceding as probably they have not being by a full point separated from them then they are the Epitome Abridgement or summe of the whole Epistle And so the Apostles mind seems to be this This Father which I have in this my Epistle treated of is the true God and this Iesus Christ of whom I have spoken and in whom ye have believed is eternal life that is the way to it Secondly but were it granted that these words This is the true God do depend on the foregoing words yet will it not of necessity follow that the Son not the Father is the Antecedent to the Relative this and so that the sentence must be thus understood This Son is the true God In the precedent words there is mention made of the Father And we know saith the Apostle that the Son of God is come i. e. We Believers assuredly know that the Son of God is already come in the flesh notwithstanding many at this time gain-say and deny it And hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and this Jesus Christ being in the bosome of the Father and having received from him the promise of the spirit hath anointed the eyes of our mindes that we might savingly know him that is true that is the true God as some Greek Copies have it And we are in him that is true c. If with Erasmus and Tindal we read the words thus and we are in him that is true through his Son Jesus Christ the meaning is this We have not only an apprehension of but also union and communion with him who is the true God by the means of his Son Jesus Christ But if we follow Piscator the words hold out that oneness and fellowship which the Saints have with the Father and his Son Jesus For thus he would have them read And we are in him that is true to with the Father and in his Son Iesus Christ But last of all if we consent with Hierome who by making 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a redundant hath them thus and we are in this true Son Iesus Christ they speak only of that oneness we have with Christ Now the words that follow relate to the Father This is the true God The Apostle intends the Father But because his assertion is contrary to many mens interpretation take for the backing of it these few Reasons 1. Because the Text will Grammatically bear it for the words may be thus rendred That is the true God and so the Antecedent to the Relative is not the Person immediatly foregoing which is Jesus Christ but another spoken of at a farther distance to wit the Father 2. Because Jesus Christ no where in the Scripture is called the true God and therefore is it the more questionable whether he be so called here the place being somewhat doubtful and ambiguous 3. Because the Father is called the true God distinct from the Son 1 Thess 1.9 10. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entring in we had unto you and how ye turned to God from Idols to serve the living and true God and to wait for his Son from Heaven whom he raised from the dead even Iesus which delivered us from the wrath to come It is evident from this Text that the Father distinct from the Son is called the living and true God and therefore is it probable that in the Text under Examination the Father onely is intended in this expression this is the true God 4. Because the Father is called the onely true God John 17.3 And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God and whom thou hast sent Iesus Christ Here the Father is called the onely true God and so the Son is excluded from being the true God and therefore of necessity in 1 Iohn 5.20 The Father onely is intended THe Text which comes next to be scanned Ier. 23 6. is Ier. 23.6 And this is his name whereby he shall be called The Lord our Righteousness Hence is gathered that Iesus Christ is the most High God because the incommunicable name Jehovah is attributed to him Answ First that it is a probable conjecture that our English Translators saw not this Mystery wrapt up in the name Jehovah In that they do not here follow their usuall custome in giving the Hebrew name for they read not Jehovah but the Lord our righteousness Yea that the Apostles themselves were ignorant of the use where unto the name Jehovah is put by you and others For though we have in the New Testament Hebrew names yet Jehovah appears not there but in stead thereof 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Lord which is a common name Against this you once objected That the name Iehovah cannot be exprest in the Greek language But to me this seems not true for there is no letter in Iehovah which the Greeks want but may be found in other names which in the New Testament are rendred in imitation of the Hebrew as Iacob Abraham David And it cannot but seem strange that that name which cannot as you say be expressed in the Greek language by which the Old and New Testament was published to the greatest part of the world should be a foundation for that which you call a truth fundamental Secondly that it is not an undeniable consequent that Jesus Christ is the Most High God because called Iehovah for although the name may most properly belong to the most High God yet 't is communicated in the Scripture unto creatures To Angels frequently Gen. 19.24 Then Iehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from Iehovah out of Heaven That is the Angel which did sustain the name of Iehovah he rained c. If credit may be given to some the title Iehovah is in this of Ieremiah appropriated to the people of Israel and Iudah They read the words thus and this is the name which they shall call it to wit the people Iehovah our righteousness that is God hath done well for us In Ier. 33.16 the people of Ierusalem and Iudah in the letter but according to a Mysticall sense the Church of Christ is called Iehovah our righteousness

A friendly DEBATE On a WEIGHTY SUBJECT OR A Conference by Writing Betwixt Mr SAMVEL EATON AND Mr JOHN KNOWLES Concerning the DIVINITY OF IESUS CHRIST For the beating out and further clearing up of TRUTH LONDON Printed by T. N. for GYLES CALVERT at the black spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls MDCL presented Truths nor thine own Eyes to be too much weakned by over much use of the clouded spectacles of Ancient termes and opinions but in regard there must be some Oneness and Analogy between the Recipient and the thing received to make up an intellectuall and perfect conjunction as the Metaphysicks say be exhorted in the fervent Love of the Love-working Spirit to understand what you receive and to receive what you convincingly understand let not ancient Authority darken Truths glory though newly discovered nor new Errors shake Truth setled though anciently confirmed but as the Apostle saith in the Spirit of the Father Try all things The Treatise designes the confirmation of the Negative part of this Logicall Question Whether Jesus Christ the Son of the Most High God be that God the nature thereof is of high concernment and cals for the greatest the gravest consideration 'T is the exhortation of the Spirit Heb. 3.1 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heb. 3.1 Holy Brethren consider the word is weighty Beloved Christians the Son requires the understanding of a sublimated spirit sunk down into the very Center of the Soul expunged from the Reliques of the dregs of vain delusions Professors of all sorts examine principles already taken in try it with your own hands especially this heer presented it is matter of moment and that for these Arguments 1. In regard of the Excellency of this Knowledg Phil. 3.8 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so Paul cals it Phil. 3.8 't is the knowledg of him that lay in the womb of Eternity that received that revealed the bosom-secrets of glory 1 Ioh. 1.18 'T is the knowledg of our friend that is crowned King in the Assembly of Heaven and contains the treasures of wisdom and knowledge Psal 2.6 Col. 2.3 2. In regard of the Mysterie of this Knowledge Every Truth is a secret and that in regard of its proximity that I may not say Identity to the highest Then that sure more eminently which the Spirit of God intentionally signes so The Sons name is a secret as that Angels Judg. 13.18 Phelij a secret a wonderfull name a wonderfull name indeed would it be were his name in the number thereof made known And Col. 4.3 Eph. 3.3 Col. 2.2 Col. 4.3 Ephes 3.3 Col. 2.2 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The disquisition and search of things remote separate and transcendent is a work for Spirits generated in the Divine Love and tinctur'd with the Divine Nature which enobles them above all acts seemingly glorious in the worlds view especially 3. In regard of the Utility thereof The Knowledge of the Son is very profitable by the right understanding whereof many prophecies concerning the Church lye either chained up in darkness and undiscovered or appear so mighty that they are by most too too rashly censur'd condemned 'T is no less then eternall life in all the parts thereof John 17.3 1 John 5.20 Nay John 17.3 1 John 5.20 John 14.9 't is to know the Being of all knowledg and the center of every Being John 14.9 Friends sit down no longer in deadness in darkness but consider these things in your selves once and again and then judg according to the spirit of Oneness and divine Revelation that works in you See more by your own Eyes that the Babel of Traducall Doctrines authoriz'd only by man may fail and fall To beleeve this or that to be without a spirituall light and intelligent perswasion is but an implicit faith and comes under the Roman condemnation He knows best that hath truth written upon his own soul But when on the one hand I weigh the wantonness of these dayes in lifting up the heel against many Truths pressing near and the facility on the other hand to entertain without knowledge and understanding it prompts me to premeditate the various effects this ensuing Treatise will produce Some Luxuriant and heady spirits will peradventure draw the curtains before they know 't is night and sit down in their retired their forced darkness Others whose ears stands always open and Athenian-like are wandring are waiting for some new thing wil too easily welcom it as an Angel of Light and lodg it with them without so much as quaering What are you But are afterwards as soon drawn out of it as dallied to it Yet is it my hopes that some Valiant one in spirituall Israel whose sword is on his thigh Cant. 3.7 8. will enter the List with her to the discovery of her strength or weakness and endeavour the settlement of this point in Question Happily this may be the time that the Truth of these Mysteries of the Father and of Christ shall be manifested who sees not the multitude of divisions haesitations acceptations concerning God Christ and the Spirit The smoke of the pit ascends very high me thinks it proclaims the glory of the Lord to be rising for the breaking of the cloud to the ushering in of the day But why are such things brought forth to trouble the people 'T is not I can assure thee blazon'd with singularity or effected publicity but that that Doctrine formerly received might have better foundations then the Philosophers Jus Rationis or occulta qualitas to palliate their ignorance that things might come to a particular scrutiny and that the seemingly fair face of many mentall buildings may be searched and their body examin'd to the very Basis Let no man be offended at the style thereof plainness of language may be no hinderance to her entertainment she may happily make better provision in that kinde when humane Eloquence is made the Watchword in the Lords Army and yet if any shall wonder why it adventures abroad in such a cloathing give me leave to Apologize a little for her Garments and tell you that she rose in haste and intended onely a visitation to a private friend upon a more then earnest invitation but by the way meeting with some adventitious Salutants she was unwillingly arrested and now prest to hazard her self upon the doubtfull multitude Lastly for I am writing an Epistle if any Man from its pretence to Light and claim to Reason especially the Gentleman for whom it was intended and to whom 't is committed shall daigne to descend the Sands with it Let him in Love and in the Spirit know That reviling is no reason and that he addes nothing to Truth that belcheth forth bitterness from a distemper'd spirit Let him teach himself in the Doctrine of Luther Non convitiis sed argumentis errantis conscientia est erigenda And if yet any man shall indiscreetly and scornfully handle his weapons the return of the Author I

will keep thee in the hour of temptation so that it is Christ now in heaven that keeps the Saints on earth which being a meer creature he cannot do 11. If Christ be a meer creature then a meer creature is the judge of the world which is against the Scripture for the Judge of all the world is God before whom Abraham stood Gen. 18.25 when he pleaded for Sodom Rev. 2.5 6 the day of judgement is called the day of the revelation of the righteous judgement of God who will render to every man according to his works 12. Lastly which should have been before if Christ be a meer creature then prayer to him being now in heaven is altogether vain and frivolous insomuch as persons may cry loud long enough before Christ hear them at that distance But the Saints have been wont not onely to pray to God in Christs Name but to pray to Christ directly and immediately as in Acts 7.59 Rev. 22.20 Lord Jesus receive my spirit Come Lord Jesus c. Master KNOWLS his Answer to the Arguments and Scriptures alleadged by M. Samuel Eaton concerning the Divinity of CHRIST SIR IT is a good thing as the Author to the Hebrews speaks that the heart be established in grace and to me it is an indubitable truth that unsettlement is sometimes the next way to a right and firm establishment For Errour whilst misapprehended is entertained in gracious hearts as a welcome guest and Truth whilst received hand over head by tradition onely is as a Building whose foundation is but sandy which holds up no longer then the waves and windes hold in Whether most Professors have not swallowed without chewing much of that Doctrine they now profess is not my work to determine It is enough for me with shame to confess that I have been of the number of those if any such be who see with other mens eyes and pin their faith as we usually speak on the Churches sleeve But having now through the goodness of God turned over leaf and learned a new course I am resolved to examine all things by the Touch-stone of Truth that I may unlearn what I have learnt amiss and hold fast that onely which in my understanding is good Upon this account being somewhat willing to make a scrutiny into the Common Doctrine of the holy Trinity of which in most ages there have been some scruples amongst men of parts and learning and exhorting others to the same practice for the abovenamed ends but especially reasoning thereof as one dubious therein I was suspected to say no more by you and others to be in Faith unsound and Heterodox Wherefore that the Common Doctrine might be supported you published a Paper and did cast the same into my hands which lying open to many Objections I promised being urged to present you therewith upon this condition That nothing spoken might be taken for my judgment To which you agreed and therefore I shall act freely as if I were in judgement directly opposite to you and shall desire that neither you nor others do conclude before I profess what my judgement is I was about to present you with an exact Epitome of the common Doctrine of the holy Trinity with Interrogations about it Arguments against it and seeming Contradictions in it but have forborn till I finde by a modest Answer to this that your spirit is able to bear Now ad rem to the business in hand which is concerning the Deity of Iesus Christ The Question is not clearly stated in your Paper wherefore give me leave to do it The Question is not Whether Jesus Christ be a God in Name and Office Nor whether the Father dwell in him but Whether he be That most high God whose Being and Actings are originally of himself That he is you assert but I deny and that for the beating out and further clearing up of Truth The way you have taken by Scripture and Reason to make good your Assertion I cannot dislike the truth is I like no other way Whether the Scriptures brought speak on your side and whether your Reasons have weight in them is now the thing in debate I shall begin with your Scriptures and with that first which first appears which is Psal 5.6 Thy throne O God is for ever and ever and the Scepter of thy Kingdom is a right Scepter Answ First that no Argument can be found in the text to confirm the thing you assert for though it were granted that this Psalm is a Prophecie onely of Iesus Christ which I shall not allow it being spoken according to a literal sence of Solomon the King to which Willet Pareus Hugo Grotius Iunius Cotton and almost all Interpreters do consent yet this Title God will not bolster up your opinion of Christ For the name Aelohim which here is attributed unto Christ is common with the most High to Creatures both Angels and Men. It is given to Angels Psal 8.5 Thou hast made him that is Christ a little lower then Aelohim Gods so in the Hebrew which is translated by the Author to the Hebrews Chap. 2.7 the Angels To men Psal 82.1 God judgeth among the Gods that is the Rulers of Israel So vers 6. I have said Ye are gods Likewise in Exod. 22.8 9. where the word is translated Judges Secondly that some Arguments may be drawn from this Psalm to deny the thing you assert Take these 1. He that is blessed of God is not the most high God For without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better Heb. 7.7 But this God Jesus Christ is blessed of God vers 2. Grace is poured into thy lips therefore god hath blessed thee for ever 2. That God which hath a God is not the most high God But this God Jesus Christ hath a God Thou lovest righteousness and hatest wickedness therefore O God thy God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows vers 7. Therefore c. 3. That God whose authority is derivative is not the most high God But the authority of this God Jesus Christ is derivative vers 7. where he is said to be anointed by God that is to receive Kingly or Godlike power form him Therefore this God Jesus Christ is not the most high God Now I hasten to your second Scripture Isa 9.6 And his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor The mighty God The ever lasting Father The Prince of Peace Answ These two Titles The mighty God The everlasting Father you dig out of the text and lay them as the foundation of your faith that Jesus Christ is the most high God To this Scripture take this Reply 1. That according to some mens reading those Titles do not at all belong in this place to Jesus Christ and after some mens expounding they appertain not to Christ onely Some Jews thus read the words And this is the name by which The Wonderful Counsellor The mighty God c. shall call him to wit The