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A67325 A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall. Wall, Thomas. 1669 (1669) Wing W486; ESTC R38029 30,254 53

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open the signification of the word Baptism by context of Scripture which you build your Faith so much upon and to shew you how you deceive your selves in binding limiting and confining the word to signifie only to dip plung overwhelm without warrant of the learned in the Tongues or sense of holy Scripture I must acknowledge my selfe the unfittest of many to intermeddle with a work of this nature by reason of my want of skill in the Tongues as you likewise acknowledg the same yet you bring many Authors to prove the word Baptize to signifie to dip yet you confess they say it also signifieth to wash or sprinckle so that by your own grant the testimony of the Learned proveth no more for * It is error to confine it as you do you then against you and forasmuch as the Learned themselves are at their wits end concerning the signfication of some words in holy Scripture as in Job 2. 9. Some say where it is translated Curse other say Bless also the word Euriclydon Act. 27. 14. One saith it signifieth a North-East wind another a soultery hot wind but forasmuch as many words in Scripture are left by the learned in the original Term though in English Letters as Baptize Messiah and many the like It behoveth you I being Englishmen not wholy to rely upon the learned in Tongues seeing the Jewish Rabins skilfull in Tongues did not all of them understand the true sense or meaning of the Scripture nor yet to slight or lightly esteem of the worthy endeavours of the learned in translating the Scriptures who have dealt so honestly where they durst not confine the word to one sense or tearm they left it to be understood by the people of God as the Spirit of the Lord should direct them The word Messiah being alledged against a Jew to prove the death of Christ how the Angel prophesied Messiah should be slain Dan. 9. 26. I saith the Jew but Messiah signfieth any one that is anoynted Governor so that when words in Scripture have large or divers significations we ought carefully and wisely to consider the divers use and meaning of them to agree in a harmony of holy Scripture Likewise ●ell an Athiest that God made the Heavens and the Earth Gen. 1. 1. He may answer as the Learned in the Tongues say Aelohim sometimes is used to signifie Angels Psal 8. 5. with Heb. 2. 7. sometimes to signifie magistrates Psal 82. 1 6. therefore he believes not any such God properly as we profess not having Gods Spirit to understand the sense and true intendment thereof Likewise the originall word for worship as the Learned do express the same Latria and Latréuo sometimes largely used and sometimes more strictly so that word worship generally comprehendeth the performance of all duties required in the first Table of Gods Law Deut. 5. 6. 15. more strictly and properly to worship is to bow down and supplicate to God Mat. 2. 2. Again the originall word for Church Congregation or Assembly given in by the learned Kahal in Hebrew and in Greek Ecclesia which word is used for any Assembly which without the help of Gods holy Spirit cannot be rightly divided as the gathering together in a Market is Ecclesia where Women as well as Men have equall priviledge to speak yet the word Ecclesia a gathering in a Church Assembly where men and women have not equall priviledge alike to speak 1 Cor. 14. 34 35. Likewise when but two or three are gathered together in Church worship Mat. 18. 20. they bear the name Ecclesia and when the Church consisteth of thousands they are but Ecclesia Acts 4. 4. Acts 7. 38. Exod. 19. 1 3 5. 6. So when it signifieth the least we are not to despise the day of small things Zech. 4. 10. Luk. 12. 32 Likewise the word Saviour sometimes signifieth Christ sometimes Christs Mini●●●rs Obadiah ver 21. 1 Tim. 4. 16. sometimes civill Magistrates or Deliverers Neh. 9. 27. which divers use is approved by the Scriptures by which we ought to take the more notice of the word Baptize which as is said before that the learned give in to signifie to dip wash water sprinckle so that my friend R. A. you are very bold upon you own head and the men of your Judgment to bind up the word Baptize to only dip without either the learneds assent or warrant of holy Scripture therefore both you and all of your Judgment consider by what hath been said how many words in Scripture a few before treated on that cannot be confined without adding or diminishing from the mind of God but to be understood by the directions of Gods Spirit Rev. 22. 18. Deut. 4. 2. Pro. 30. 6. and learn the counsell of the Holy Ghost of these things put them in remembrance charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit but to the subverting of the hearers study to shew thy self approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth 2 Tim. 2. 14 15. So then forasmuch as the holy Scriptures hold forth three several Baptisms by the one word Baptism I shall endeavour by the help of the Lord to lay down some grounds according to the sense of Scripture how we may rightly divide the Word of Truth to understand the same comparing spirituall things with spirituall 1 Cor. 2. 13. and not altogether rely on the learned in Tongues though in due place and right use are not in the least to be despised but highly esteemed for we read the Book is given to one that is learned Saying Read this I pray thee and he saith I cannot for it is sealed And the Book is delivered to him that is not learned saying Read this I pray thee and he saith I am not learned Esay 29. 12. So that great is the mystery of godlinesse 1 Tim. 3. 16. So that when the holy Scriptures as so made use of and interpreted that no one Scripture jar against another but agree in one harmony like as the Levites having Cymbals and Psalteries and Harps and with them an hundred and twenty Priests sounding with Trumpets they made but one sound to praise the Lord 2 Chron. 5. 12. 13. so also the true Trumpets of Gods holy Truths make but one sound 1 Thes 1. 8. Rom 15. 6. to praise the Lord which none can learn but the redeemed from the earth Rev. 14. they can tune both old and new Testament to agree in one harmony of melody and soul comfort Psal 81. 2. Rev. 14. 2. Rev. 15. 3. never a Scripture to jar one against another by which learning our Lord and Master put to silence the learned Rabbins in the Mother Tongue Mat. 22. 41 42 to 46. with this learning and wisdom Stephen in disputing the Studients were not able to resist the wisdom of the Spirit by which he spake Acts 6. 9 10. But the unlearned and unskilfull to reconcile the Scriptures