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A53190 A dialogue of polygamy, written orginally in Italian rendred into English by a person of quality ; and dedicated to the author of that well-known treatise call'd, Advice to a son. Ochino, Bernardino, 1487-1564. 1657 (1657) Wing O126; ESTC R9210 45,713 173

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same cause he suffered them to have sundry wives that is to say he did not forbid or hinder it nor punish the same by any Law enacted in his Common-wealth But it follows not therefore that they did not sin in Gods sight and that they did not deserve punishment unlesse they repented Tel. That thing is permitted which is neither punished nor hindred nor forbidden Truly I will not say Moses sinned if to avoid a greater evil and to comport with the hardness of the Jewes hearts he permitted them to have divers wives that is to say he did not punish or hinder them But if he permitted them so as not to forbid them I cannot but say he sinned For Moses ought to have expresly forbidden that any man should have more then one wife which because he has not done we must needs confesse that it is not a thing unlawful Och. The having of many wives was then as it is now so apparently filthy dishonest and vitious that it was needless for Moses to forbid the same Tel. And was it not apparent that Adultery was a thing filthy dishonest vicious yea much more then the having of many wives and yet he expresly forbad adultery But in case it had been unlawful to have many wives he ought to have forbidden that so much the more expresly by how much the unlawfulnesse thereof was lesse manifest then the unlawfulnesse of Adultery was Is it not a clear case that Homicide is unlawful and yet he forbids that In a word What are the ten Commandements but an Expression of the Law of Nature Och. It may be said that God might remit the transgressions against the second Table because he is above not only all Creatures but his own Law and peradventure he might remit the same to all mankind born before the death of Christ and consequently be willing that they might have more wives then one without sin And so it comes to pass that those under the Old Testament that had many wives did not sin and under that consideration God might give many wives to David Though it may also be said that he gave them to him that is permitted him to have them in as much as he neither hindred nor punisht him Tel. That it is unlawful to keep more wives then one if your opinion be true is clear from the word of God who said that two should be made one flesh but that God did so far remit of his Laws that men should not sin in having more does not appear in the word of God that opinion therefore of yours has no foundation Och. If you consider well you shall finde that Lamech a very wicked man was the first that had two Wives Other holy men that preceeded him knowing the will of God had onely one a piece Tel. As if that Abraham Isaac and Iacob were not more holy then those very men you speak of But in the first place I cannot tell how you came to know that Lamech was the first man that had two wives although he be the first man whom the Scripture mentions to have had two But as this is a vain Argument The Scripture no where mentions that Cain had more then one Son therefore doubtlesse he had no more so as vain is this which follows It is no where in Scripture recorded that those men that lived before Lamech had more wives then one therefore none of them had above one wife Moreover where it is said that Lamech had two wives it is not charged upon him as a sin but seems rather to be set down as a thing pleasing to God that a man should have more wives then one seeing by them he gave Lamech such ingenious Sons as proved the inventors of Arts both delightful and profitable Neither can I see how you came informed that Lamech was so wicked a man as you talk of Och. God plagued him by suffering him to fall into the sins of murther and desperation only because he had married two wives Tel. But I cannot see either that he was a murtherer or fell into despair neither does the Scripture teach any such thing if it be rightly interpreted Or if the Scripture had intimated any such thing which I do not grant yet does it not thereby appear that God suffered him so to slip because he had married two wives Och. But we may conjecture that his having two wives displeased God seeing his murther is presently after mentioned Tel. In the first place I have already told you that by the words of that Text if they be rightly understood there is no signification made that either he was a man-slayer or in desperation and if such a thing were intimated it does not therefore follow that his plurality of wives was the cause thereof or that God was offended with him therefore inasmuch as presently upon the mention of his two wives he commends their Sons as if he would give us to understand that he approves of plurality of wives Add hereunto that nothing ought to be affirmed or avouched in the Church of God as necessary to salvation if it cannot otherwise be known save by conjectures only Och. Seeing I cannot convince you out of the old Testament I will try what I can do from the New Tel. You are in an errour if you think the Old Testament is not sufficient to teach us all things necessary to salvation If therefore that be the cause you betake your self to the New you are deceived seeing as Paul writes All Scripture of Divine insp●ration is profitable for reprehension correction and instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be made perfect furnished for every good work Now clear it is that Paul in that place speaks of those Scriptures in which Timothy was exercised from a child And because the new Testament was not then written you must be forced to confesse that Paul in that place speaks of the Old The old Testament therefore is profitable not only to assert the truth of such things as are necessary to salvation but also to confute falsities and consequently to render a man perfect For which cause Christ ●peaking thereof said Search the Scriptures for in them is fou●●d 〈◊〉 life Och. Perhaps somethings are forbidden to us in the New Testament which were not forbidden to them in the Old Tel. In moral matters verily what ever is unlawful and to us forbidden was in like manner evermore forbidden to them and whatever was allowed and commanded to them the same is in like manner allowed and commanded to us God was equally Author of the old Testament as well as of the New nor was he ever contrary or unlike himself Och. That was allowed to those under the old Testament because of their imperfection which is not allowed to us in whom carnal desires ought to be much more mortified Tel. You take that for granted which you have not proved viz. That it is unlawful to have more wives then one Moreover you