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A95027 Something in answer to two late malitious libels of William Rogers; intituled, the sixth and eighth part of his (falsly so called) Christian-Quaker, &c. : Being a further caution to Friends, to take heed of that treacherous spirit that is entered into William Rogers and his abettors. : Who under the profession of primitive truth, are betraying it to the world ... / Published for the clearing of truth against William Rogers's lies and slanders ... C.T. Taylor, Christopher, ca. 1615-1686.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 6.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 8. 1682 (1682) Wing T265; ESTC R184889 30,402 42

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is that Honour that thou so often over and over in thy great wicked Book giveth and applaudeth to J. Story and J. Wilkinson is it from Above or from Below Spiritual or Temporal Heavenly or Earthly Answer Yea or Nay Against W. R's Charge of Popery and others WHereas W. R. 8th Part Pag. 3. as in many other places Chargeth us with Popish Principles and Practices And Page 5. reflects on learning from Authors And in particular R. Baxter as if G. F's Cause were at a low Ebb in being beholding to him and Presbyterians To these few words at present G. F's Cause is no more beholding to him and Presbyterians c. than to W. R. J. S. and J. W. c. when they confess to Truth against themselves or practise it and yet blame it in others To that purpose I cite R. B. and others C. 1. Sect. 45. who in his History of Bishops and Councils speaking of some Papists says he cannot believe they were ill men wherein I compare his Charity though accounted of the riged Sect with W. R's though owning Universal Grace yet excluding Micha's Mother from his and though the Presbyterians now joyn with W. R's abettors against Womens Services in the Church yet formerly they did not so But stood for them as some also of other Perswasions As D. M. Sutcliff Dean of Chelsy Colledge False semblant c. c. 6. a Cheiftain for the Church of England proves from a Sermon of theirs on Rom. 12.8 saying unless they have Deaconesses they exclaim that the Church is maimed and condemn all other Churches because Widows are Members of the Church as a Body shewing mercy c. And the said Doctor confesses that Ancient Churches divers of them had Widows and Virgins but not as Officers which Titles we stand not for * Ibid. cap. 13. from Act. 13.1 Cap. mass Musculus Soc. Com. Of the Nature and Administrations of the Church lib. 2. c. 4. nor single life nor other circumstances which vary with times but substance And says if such were restored they would resemble Nuns But Junius a great light in the Protestant-Church as some call him in the place cited already speaking of Deaconesses says they did partake of the Ministry or Deaconry as far as Women were fitter for it And that some footsteps of this remains in Hospitalls c. where Nunes sometimes are placed for service as Rubbish of a decayed house And wishes that the Ministry of Women were restored according to the Rule of God's Word the Examples of the Ancients and the Lawes of Charity This to stop the scorn and aspersion that I read in Popish Authors Cave Gualter Bucan For besides Langley's Abridgment a Protestant I name three other Protestants besides these here And could do many besides in time I Question not Henoch Clapham who writes also against the Puritans as Sutcliff Clapham Brief of Bible 2. Part. Staff 13. some whereof were for Deaconesses as appears in his Epistle Dedicatory to the Arch Bishop in K. James's Reign yet confesseth that almost all grant easily that there were two sorts of Deacons or Church-servitors the first of men Act. 6 3 c. 1. Tim. 3. ●8 the second of Women 1. Tim. 5.9 c. Rom. 16.1 And that they attended the sick and impotent many held So hee But some as the Priests cry Popery Popery as Papists cried Heresy Heresy to people Ignorant of those things without any proof but as Thieves in the head of the Hue-and-cry by their suspitious clamours to cause the honest man to be taken that they may escape As may be seen in a piece with G. W. I have writ in answer to a Priest about Durham about Justification And in an answer to a Priest in Scotland by Geo. Keith called Quakerism no Popery And now seeing these men cry Popery but prove it not I shall in short at present prove our Assertions not Popery from the Chieftains against Popery Controv. 4. q. 7. l. 2. n. 3. viz. D. Whitaker and Juell against Bellarmin and Stapleton the Great Popish Polemic Doctors The first Whitaker says not only Peter but any the meanest Minister can impose and bind the Consciences of men not as Author Explic. Cat. de peccat Act. dist 3. but as Minister but I find not in him or any other the Condition if they be convinced Nay on the contrary I find in Ursin assented to by Panaeus and Junius all eminent Protestants a distinction of sin against Conscience and sin not against Conscience grounded on 1 Tim. 1.13 with whom Beza agrees Beza on the place In Obenheim pugn Expos pag. 607. that Ignorance is a sin though not so great The like with Brentius an Eminent Protestant also and Theophylact called a Father on Joh. 9.41 and ch 15.22 Juel Act. 27. against D. Cole affirming ignorance to be the Mother of Devotion cites Agustin on Psal 33. saying the Kingdom of Ignorance is the Kingdom of Error Origen Origen on numb hom 27. Conc. Tolet 4. can 24. that the Devils have possession of them that are Ignorant Toletan Council that Ignorance is the mother of all Error But the Libertin Doctrine is If Ignorant of or not seeing it our Duty that is free from Conviction then free from Error free from sin free from Satan free from Church censure c. And then is not Ignorance the mother of Freedom from sin and Satan And how comes that short of the Papists That its the mother of Piety as they say This is the Consequence that Ignorance is a safe State though Christ sayes the blind may be led into the Ditch I know of none that say among us follow us blindly without any sight at all But to keep the single eye open to see in measure to see whom to follow as they follow Christ Joh. 3.19 For if they abide in darkness loving darkness rather than light and hating it by which they should see Rom. 1.2 't is through their evil deeds And if their foolish heart be darkened 't is because they liked not to retain God in their knowledge though that which may be known of God is manifest in them And if given up to believe a lie 2 Thess 2.10 11. t is for not receiving the love of the truth but having pleasure in unrighteousness These causes of Ignorance in Apostates from truth are declared by the Scriptures Primitive Doctrine And if it hath been declared you are not Condemned for what you know not but for what you know and disobey It is to be understood only Comparatively Act. 17.30 as in the places above quoted and that the time of Ignorance has been winked at 1. Cor. 4.4 Paul saith I know nothing by my self or I am not Conscious yet am I not hereby justified And Beza no friend but great Opposite Larger Notes to Papists on that place saith This saying of Paul is to be restreined to a certain supposition For Spirits both are to be judged and we ought to try our selves whether we be in the Faith Neither also doth the Apostle Condemn private Judgments of Charity and much less either Civil or Ecclesiastical Polity But enough of this at this time one may think to ballance with a private uncharitable Judgment that our Doctrin and Practice is Popish without any other proof but that W. R. is so perswaded he hath said it and the people must pin their Faith on his sleeve His Authority is all as all Authors thereby he charges us virtually with them all in Gross in the lump But let us see them single to be tryed seeing herein we must be tryed by them for as Erronious Doctrin must be tryed by the Scriptures as they say and Spirits by the Spirit So Popery being that which came up under the Pope and generally opposed by Protestants can only be proved to be such by their Authors Possevinus in Atheismis cap. 13. For Socinianism denying the divinity of Christ a gross Error yet is not Popery And Papists holding the Contrary is not therefore Popery but was before Popery Truth So herein he has also but exposed himself an evil surmiser to those he has exposed us to as such Gault on Jon. 1. For whose sake also this is to prevent the poison of prejudice and jealousy than which nothing is more fallacious and unjust Arg●on i st ein Schalck 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 according to the German Proverb To which agrees the Greek vers signifying that More devilish slanders arise from thoughts than deeds Proverb 18.17 He that is first in his own Cause seemeth just but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him A lover of Truth R. R. FINIS
we trample in the power of God upon their evil Spirit if they do their worst And as Christ Jesus said to Judas that Traytor That thou dost do quickly so that they do let them do quickly that when they have done their wicked work without repentance they may go to their proper place And as for my adoreing G. F. and his Laws it is an ignorant sottish Idle Childish Story I knew before thou T. C. W. R. I Pennyman were called Quakers how to Adore and Worship the true and living God and stil do know how to love and dearly to esteem such Ancient Elders and Friends as were and are still Instrumental to bring forth blessed things for the service of God and his Truth and this is done by a Divine breath c. and thus to affirm is neither to Adore or Worship Men or Things but to Assert the Truth which thou hast not disproved with thy scandalous lying breath and thy lyes and slanders are detected and I charged thee to make thy charge good wherein I am such an one as Adore G. F. and his laws as thou calls them bring thy proof or eat thy words for thou hast grossly perverted mine as the Reader may see and the least thing that 's done by the weakest Instrument in obedience to God's Will is by a Divine Spirit or Breath which thou scoffs at and falsely callest it Adoring or worshiping G. F and his laws c. and I lay it upon thee when thou Prints again to set down this Idol what it is and such as thou calls G. F his laws set down a Catalogue of them all for people will not else I hope be satisfied to pin their Faith on thy or thy brethrens sleeves to believe your bawlings against them as if they were some mishapen Monstrous things Now T. Crisp I must tell thee thy cause is naught and thy brethrens also and thy and your Battle of Wickedness will come to an end and I pray God preserve his People unto himself from your muttering peeping Counsels who lye in wait to destroy the simple-minded with your Craft and Wickedness and this is my Testimony that your Work is wicked and the God of Heaven is highly displeased with you and if I should never more in my native Country appear in Print or however I may in this outwatd World be disposed on I say I affirm in the presence of God that thou T. C. W. R. J. Pennyman and all the rest who in their hearts and souls have resolutely Espoused your Cause against G. F. and thousands others both Elders and Friends of Truth that though for a while the Lord may suffer you as an exercise and tryal to his People yet your wicked Rebellion and gainsaying will come to an end and except it be possible you can find a place of Repentance your end will be miserable and this Testimony I leave behind me however the merciful good and most gracious God may dispose of me Oh! my native Country how dear is my love to thee Praying that the Lords holy Truth may still prevail in thee and that my Friends and Brethren in the Truth may be kept faithful in it that his Glory may still arise and his Power prevail so that this Nation may be as a Nursery to the Nations about it to send forth Rigbteous and Faithful Plants with success into his Vineyard that thousands and ten thousands may be alarm'd by the sound of Truth to come out of their Graves of sin and unbelief to the Resurrection and Salvation of Jesus Christ Amen The 8th of the 9th Month 1681. Thomas Crisp said That he hath paid Tithes lately and that the Spirit of God did or might allow him to pay Tithes or Marry by a Priest And that by the same Spirit of God another might be required not to pay them or not to do the same things This Thomas Crisp spoke the day and Year abovesaid and consented to have it Writ and Printed and took a Copy of the aforesaid Words Witness John Field Jun. See what an Agent W. R. J. Story and J. Wilkinson have gotten who is a false wicked perverter of the Truth and of Friends Ancient Testimonies in the Truth in the beginning Oh monstruos To set the Spirit of the Living God against it self Did we ever thirty years since and since to this day Preach for Doctrine and tell People The Spirit of God did or might allow them to pay Tithes or Marry by a Priest and that by the same Spirit of God another might be required not to pay them or not to do the same things Here the Reader may see their Confusion and Blasphemy against Gods Spirit and Truth what they would be at under the Pretence of Liberty so that at the last for ought I know they may commit gross Evils which Truth Condemns and say It is their Liberty and God allows them to do it by his Spirit though others may be Judged for it And so by this wicked principle usher in all manner of Ranterism Alas how miserably blind are those that cannot discern these mens wicked and ungodly design how mad and wicked they are to make void the Cross of Christ and wrest the Truth to serve the Turn of their own Licentious Spirits and Carnal Minds And I doubt not but some of these Brawlers against us are got too far with their Liberty into the Ditch already to their own destruction who do not deserve the name of a Quaker And now at this time when we are expos'd to great sufferings by Imprisonments spoiling of Goods c. for these Apostates T. C. W. R. and their Adherents to be so malitious as at such a time as this to render us Odious to the World by spreading and Printing their defaming lying and slanderous Books against us All sober Readers may see how the malitious mask is taken off these Babel-builders and so their Spirit is seen to be the same with those old Apostates that are gone before them And that they do but hypocritically deceive People in pretending themselves to be Quakers who are none nor Children of the Light as may be seen by their Books and Principles And from that meek Spirit of Life and Truth they are gone and under pretence of exalting Christ and his Kingdom they are exalting self and with it are opposing the Order of the Gospel and the Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Christ Jesus and their wicked Spirit and Work is to be Judged out of the Camp of God John Story being asked why he did not hinder William Rogers from Printing his great wicked Book against us in my hearing he Answered That William Rogers was such a Strong Willful Man that if he set upon a thing he would do it if all the World set against him So that W. R. may see what Esteem J. S. his great Elder and Brother had of him if he spake not in Hypocricy at that time And W. R. what