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A70157 A just defence and vindication of Gospel ministers and Gospel ordinances against the Quakers many false accusations, slanders and reproaches. In ansvver to John Horwood his letter, and E.B. his book, called, A just and lawful tryal of the ministers and teachers of this age, and several others. Proving the ministers calling and maintenance just and lawful, and the doctrine of perfection by free justification, preached by them, agreeable to the scriptures. VVith the Quakers objections answered. And the Quakers perfection by hearkning to, and obeying a light within them, proved contrary to the scriptures. And their practices in ten particulars proved contrary to the commands and examples of Christ and his apostles. By a lover of gospel ministers and gospel ordinances. Gaskin, John, fl. 1660. 1660 (1660) Wing G290; ESTC R223664 109,852 161

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not build up themselves on their faith nor pray as is your practice and for Prayer some of your company are not ashamed to say and write that Ministers praying before and after Sermon is a will-worship and that you know not one example left for it either by Christ or any of his Apostles and that praying is for the honor and magnificence of our Idol and that is preaching they are Tomlinsons own words But let all sober minded persons judge whether your silent meetings or praying and preaching is will-worship and an Idol If you have no example of Christ and his Apostles of such silent meetings then it is an Idoll and a will-worship of your own devising which I challenge all you Quakers to bring any one example of Christ or his Apostles of any such meetings or any example of any Church since the Apostles dayes whether Separate or any other and do you think that the Apostles and all the Churches were ignorant of any part of the Service of God while now of late dayes you Quakers have found it or rather invented it had not they the light of Christ within them to direct them seeing you say all men have the light of Christ within them Wherefore I conclude that this your light is darkness and this your practice is a meer invention of your own brains and therefore are not perfect A ninth particular practice used amongst you is your Quaking fits with which many among you are strangely taken falling on the ground their arms and leggs shaking their mouths foaming their bellies swelling and some of them purging to which I may add your strange kind of disfiguring your faces and countenances hanging down your heads or holding them awry looking like a company of forlorn dejected condemned persons that were afraid to look up to Heaven Now for those quaking fits from whence you have the name of Quakers many are of opinion that they are Diabolical by a kind of witchcraft and to that end I have heard strange relations of inchanted ribins of giving of drink after which the persons have been taken with quaking fits and some say possessed with the divel And when I have read John Gilpins Book called The Quakers shaken and John Toldarns Book called The foot out of the snare in which they relate such strange kind of actings and workings of their bodies besides the relations of several others and compare them with those whom we read of in the Evangelist Luke I confess there is a likeness and a resemblance between them And lo a spirit taketh him and he suddenly crieth out and it teareth him that he foameth again and bruiseth him All which actions the Quakers have had in their quaking fits as you may read in the two forenamed books and many have been eye witnesses of the same effects in others in which fits some of the chief Quakers have said that now the good spirit was driving out of the bad But however if it be not a bodily witchcraft sure it is a spiritual witchcraft whereby the minds of the people are bewitched to believe that those shakings and quakings of the body are from the Spirit of God I have read in the Scripture that the Mystery of iniquity in the spirit of Antichrist even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power signes and lying wonders and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish because they received not the love of the Truth that they might be saved And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions that they should believe a lie I believe these are some of those signs and lying wonders with which the followers of Antichrist shall be deceived The Papists who have deceived you Quakers as that divine Lawyer M. Will. Prin doth at large prove in his book called The Quakers unmasked Also I have read in the Scripture that God hath caused such shaking and trembling to fall upon wicked men as a punishment for their sins as Belshazzar that his countenance was changed and his thoughts troubled him so that the joynts of his loyns were loosed and his knees smote one against another And in the Philistians Camp or Loft there was trembling and among all the people the Garrison and they all trembled so it was a very great trembling and among those curses pronounced in Deuteronomy against wicked men this is one The Lordshal give thee a trembling heart And it is threatned as a curse upon the wicked Let their eyes be darkned that they see not and make their loyns to shake I wish it be not your condition that your eyes be not darkned in that you take shaking for a blessing when it is a curse the Devils are said to tremble But you object that we read in the Scripture of shaking quaking and trembling rejoyce with trembling Psalm 2. 11. and work out your salvation with fear and trembling Phil. 2. 12. and Paul is said to tremble Acts 9 6. and the keeper of the prison came trembling before Paul and Silas Acts 16. 29. By trembling I understand no other then the fear and trembling of the heart generally spoken of in Scripture and not a quaking and trembling of the body as is usual amongst you Quakers and that fear and trembling is twofold First that which is at the first Act of conversion as that of Paul and the Jaylor whose trembling I understand of the soul and if it were of the body it was extraordinary and not to be brought to a rule and that fear or trembling of the soul at the first act of conversion is general to all that are truly converted called the spirit of bondage Ye 〈◊〉 not received the spirit of bondage again to fear and those that were converted at Peters Sermon being about three thousand souls they were pricked in their hearts We read not of any trembling or quaking of their bodies but that they gladly received his word and this fear or trembling of the soul at the first conversion is not in all alike but in some more and in some less though in all some We read that the Lord opened the heart of Lydia hearing the Apostles that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul and she was baptized and her houshold We read not of any fear or trembling much less quaking and yet no doubt but she had a conviction of her own unworthiness the Apostle John saith that perfect love casteth out fear that is all slavish hellish fear Secondly there is a son-like fear after conversion which is a fear whereby the soul is fearful of doing any thing that is contrary to the will and mind of such a good loving and kind God and Father and this fear or trembling is no wayes agreeable to the quaking and trembling of the body practised amongst you nor to the disfiguring your faces with holding down the head
forget those things which are behinde and reaching forth unto those things which are before I presse toward the mark for the price of the high Calling of God in Christ Jesus Let us therefore as many as be perfect be thus minded that is as many as are perfect by Justification But you will say that the Apostle was then in his warfare as you say he was when he writ the seventh Chapter to the Romans To which I answer that the Apostle and every Christian are in a warfaring condition so long as they live in this world else why doth the Apostle exhort the Ephesians to take unto them the whole armour of God For we wrestle not with Flesh and Blood but against Principalities against Powers against Spirituall wickednesse in high places And the Apostle writing to Timothy saith He is a good Soldier of Jesus Christ and saith fight the good fight of Faith For every Christian hath three great enemies to fight against so long as they live The Devill the World and the Flesh and I say you are no Christians if you do not finde these enemies to fight against Christ is called the Captain of our Faith I marvel that you Quakers are so proud to think and say you are more perfect than the Apostle Paul but you say that Paul had overcome his corruptions To which I answer that the Apostle saith that he had a thorn in the flesh the messenger of Satan to buffet him for this thing I besought the Lord thrice that it might depart from me and he said unto me my Grace is sufficient for thee Now by that thorn in the flesh is understood some corruption or some temptation which he was troubled with and was to war and fight against it so long as he lived for the Lord denyed his Petition to take it away but answered him My Grace is sufficient to support and uphold thee Wherefore know that so long as the Church of God in general or any member in particular have spiritual enemies so long are they in a warfare But the Church and people of God have spiritual enemies so long as they live in this world therefore are in a waring condition so long as they live in this world But you object the Apostle John saith He that commiteth sin is of the Devil I answer by the committing of sin is meant for a man to give himself up wittingly and willingly to sin to love it and delight in it now a Christian may say as the Apostle Paul said I do the evil that I would not so that it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me Also the Apostle saith He that is born of God sinneth not for his seed remaineth in him To which I answer that as a Christian is regenerate or born of God the regenerate part sineth not but there is in every Christian an unregenerate part which some time as the Apostle saith rebelleth against the Law of my minde or regenerate part and leading me captive unto the Law of sin which is in my members Then I my self though an Apostle in my minde serve the Law of God but in my flesh or unregenerate part the Law of sinne But some of you do farther object and say that Adam in Paradise was perfect and in his Innocency had no sin in him and all that are regenerate and born again are as righteous as Adam was in Innocency To which I answer that every believer is as righteous in and through Christ the second Adam as Adam was in the estate of Innocency and hath a more excellent righteousnesse than Adam had before his Fall for Adams righteousnesse was but that righteousnesse in which he was created the righteousnesse of a man subject to be lost but the righteousnesse which every Christian hath in and by Christ by which alone he is Justified is the righteousnesse of God as the Apostle saith we are made the righteousnesse of God in him for it is the righteousnesse of him who is God Minde in him not in your selves for if our righteousnesse were in our selves then might it be lost as Adams was but that conceit of yours of being as righteous in our selves as Adam was in Paradise you Quakers learned of the Familists and Adamites and as the Adamites did many of them go many times naked to manifest that they are as perfect as Adam was so have many of your Quakers go●e up and down naked to manifest that they are as perfect as Adam was in Innocency who was naked and was not ashamed And some of your company have justified the lawfulnesse of their going naked because Adam and Eve were naked in Paradise and were not ashamed But all this doth proceed from your ignorance of the righteousnesse of Christ by Faith by which alone we are made perfect not in our selves but in Christ according to that saying of the Apostle Not by works of righteousnesse which we have done but according to his mercy he saved us that being justified by his Grace we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life But I say you being ignorant of this righteousnesse of Justification go about to stablish an imaginary righteousnesse in your selves by which you rob Christ of his glory and take the glory due to him unto your selves and I have been the larger in this point that so you may be convinced of this your grosse error for if you erre in this you erre in the foundation and stumble at Christ the Corner-stone who will break you in pieces But if a Man hold the foundation and build upon this foundation gold silver precious stones wood hay stubble If a mans work shall be burnt he shall suffer losse but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire Wherefore I say if you did hold the foundation for your other stuffe of wood hay and stubble I should believe you might be saved yet so as by fire And now I hope I have proved that our Ministers do not preach to maintain people in sin but contrary they Preach that we are justified and made perfect in and by the righteousnesse of Christ alone which righteousnesse apprehended by Faith doth draw the Soul out in love to God in Christ which love of Christ doth constrain them to walk in all works of righteousnesse towards God and love to their brethren and these works are evidences of the truth of their Faith and negatively wheresoever these good works are wanting there is no true saving justifying Faith Now I come to your last ground by which you would prove our Ministers to be false Teachers Your seventh and last ground is because there is no better fruits of or by their Preaching for say you there are many sins in which both Priest and People do live in For answer to which I say that if this be a ground to prove a Minister to be no true