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A51289 A brief reply to a late answer to Dr. Henry More his Antidote against idolatry Shewing that there is nothing in the said answer that does any ways weaken his proofs of idolatry against the Church of Rome, and therefore all are bound to take heed how they enter into, or continue in the communion of that church as they tender their own salvation. More, Henry, 1614-1687. 1672 (1672) Wing M2645; ESTC R217965 188,285 386

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to be also that false Prophet that is to be taken alive and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone Apoc. 19. 20 to be that great City that spiritually is called Sodom and Aegypt where our Lord was crucified Apoc. 11. 8. to be the Beast that has the horns of a Lamb but the voice of the Dragon Apoc. 13. 11. decreeing Idolatries and cruel Persecutions against God's people to be that Babylon the great Apoc. 17. Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth the Woman on the seven Hills that is drunk with the bloud of the Saints and with the bloud of the Martyrs of Iesus and lastly to be that Man of Sin 2 Thess. 2. that notorious Antichrist that opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or is worshipped whose coming is with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish because they receive not the love of the truth that they may be saved For which cause God sends them strong delusion that they believe a lie That they all might be damned that believe not the truth but have pleasure in unrighteousness As well 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as well all they that love the Romish Lies and Impostures as all they that invent them are here plainly declared in the state of Damnation With this Nosegay of Rue and Wormwood antidote thy self against the Idolatrous infection of that strange Woman's breath Prov. 5. 3. whose lips yet drop as an hony● comb and ●er mouth is more smooth then oyl And be assured that that cannot be the true Holy Church wherein Salvation is to be expected which the Spirit of God has marked with such unholy and hellish Chara ●ers let her boast of her own Holiness as much as she will 24. And if she return this Answer to thee That this is not to argue but to rail in phrases of Scripture do thou make this short Reply That whiles she accuses thee of railing against sinfull and obnoxious men she must take heed that she be not found guilty of blasp●eming the holy Spirit of God I confess these Propheticall Passages apply'd to such persons as to whom they do not belong were an high and rude strain of Railing indeed and quite out of the road of Christianity and common Humanity But to call them Railings when they are apply'd to that very Party to whom they are really meant by that Spirit that dictated them is indeed to pretend to a sense of Civility towards men but in the mean time to become a down-right Blasphemer against the Holy Ghost that dictated these Oracles And that they are not mis-apply'd any impartial man of but an ordinary patience and comprehension of wit may have all assurance desirable from that demonstration of the truth compriz'd in the eight last Chapters of the first Book of Synopsis Prophetica to say nothing of the present Exposition of the Seven Epistles to the Seven Churches in Asia 25. Wherefore O serious Soul whoever thou art be not complemented out of the Truth and an earnest pursuance of thine own Salvation from a vain sense of the Applauses or Reproaches of men or from any consideration what they may think of thee for attesting or standing to such Verities as are so unwelcome to many ears but of such huge importance to all to hear For no less a Game is at stake in our choice of what Church we adhere to that of Rome or the Reformed then the Possession of Heaven and eternal Life Wherefore stand stoutl● upon thy guard and whensoever thou art accosted by the fair words and sugar'd speeches of that cunning Woman who will make semblance of great solicitude for thy future Happiness most passionately inviting thee to return into the bosom of Holy Church be sure to remember what an Holy Church she is according to Divine description and that if thou assentest to her smooth Persuasions and crafty Importunities thou dost ●pso facto pardon the vehemence of expression adventure thy self into the jaws of Hell and cast thy self into the arms of the Devil Matth. 23. 15. God of his mercy give us all Grace to consider what has been spoken that we may evermore escape these Snares of Death Amen THE END CHAP. X. The Answers of my Antagonist to this 10th Chapter and my Replies put together without any distinction of Paragraphs HItherto I have reduced my Antagonists Answers to the Paragraphs of each Chapter But now he does so overflow with humour wit and confusedness and walks so alo●t in Generals that I cannot reduce this last Section of his on my last Chapter to any such particular distinctness but must make what I can of things in that order they lye First then my hearty Exhortation to men to take heed how they be drawn into the Communion of the Church of Rome he phancies may fitly be called Dr. Taylor revived or a second Dis●asive from Popery Whereupon he takes Occasion to give the different Characters of Dr. Taylor and my self For Dr. Taylor is a Person says he of a more refined and plausible Insinuation a smooth tongue and o●ly Expression cloaking his many and great Disingenuities with fair glozing words in an affected strain of Scripture phrase pretending to the power of Godliness But Dr. More is a Polemical man of a quite different Temper His fiery zeal wears no mask His disputing is open rayling and his Arguments blustering words not always too much concerned whether true for alse To which I Reply Whether he call my hearty Dehortation Dr. Taylor revived or a second Diss●asive from Popery he may please his own p●ancy in that he shall find me a man of great humanity and facility in matters of that kind And let Dr. Taylor be of one temper and my self of another so there be no Immorality in these different tempers that is all one to me also But when he talks of the great Disingenuities of Dr. Taylor I suspect they are nothing else but great and hard Arguments against the errors of the Roman Church which they cannot Answer The same crime that I have been guilty of all along this book hitherto and it 's ●ell I be not charged with great disingenuities my self at last which now I think on 't I have been already under an harsher term he calling that calumny in me who seem to be a more rude Writer which in Dr. Taylor that more smooth and oyl● Arguer he termes a disingenuity But it 's needless for me to say any thing more of Dr. Taylor his learned and eloquent writings will Answer for him and themselves too But now for my own Charge That I am ●olemical I am sure I am neither Souldier n●r disputacious Schoolman But if I be Polemical or warlike it is in that war●are whose weapons are spiritual as the Apostle speaks 2 Cor. 10. 4. for the pulling down strong holds and inveterate Imaginations raised against the truth of God and the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. 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for my fiery zeal that wears no mask the Apostle says Gal. 4. 18. It is good to be zealous in a good matter and as good to be zealous against a bad one And is not the spirit of God resembled to fire Which where it appears in truth it will burn off all masks of Hypocrisy and make men walk in all simplicity of Conversation before God and before men But why is my disputing open railing If I speak any thing false witness of the fal●hood But if the corruptions of your Church be such that they cannot be named by their proper Names such as all solid Theolog● Philosophy and ordinary humane Laws would call them in calling them so am I a Rayler or you very great and enormous sinners I speak of those two grand crimes Idolatry and Murder which are interwoven into your Religion And whet●er my Arguments be blustering words or solid Reason let any indifferent Reader judge by what has passed ●itherto in your pretended Confuration of this Antidote against Idolatry and in my ●o clearly proving my Reasonings therein to remain sound and unshaken for all the Battery you could lay against them And whereas you add not always too much concerned whether true or false it is such an equivocating Imputation that look one way on it it says less than is true For I confess I am never too much concerned whether I speak true or false especially considering of what moment the things are I write of But if you mean I am not always enough concerned whether what I affirm be true or false The tree is known by its fruits ●●ow me where I have trip't or if I have any where trip't prove that it was out of carelesne's whether it was true or false which I uttered And this I think he pretends he will show in this Dehortation of mine For immediately he adds Witness the Contents of this Chapter whereof I shall give my Reader a brief Extract drawn up in the Form of an Homily yet in the Doctors own words and charitable Dialect Thus then begins the Dissuasive Repl. This is a Dissuasive of my Adversaries own making whom though I acknowledge a man of Wit and Eloquence yet I will not trust him in making speeches for me and se●ing his Dissuasive is pretended but an Epitome of mine and mine being already under the eye of the Reader I hold it altogether impertinent to set down his especially he putting his for mine and calling it so adding at the end of it This is Mellifluous Dr. Mores sweet harangue c. The truth is he has made as dry and lank an Homily as he could and heaped up those Titles their Church is adorned with in the Apocalypse barely and nakedly without the Occasions and circumstances I bring them in upon to make himself and his party merry and to make my serious Exhortation to deceivable People that they take heed of the frauds and danger of that Church to look ridiculously But this is one Artifice of theirs amongst the rest when the weight of Reason and Religion presses on them to any purpose to slip from under it by some ludicrous jest or profane raillery Wherefore letting this drollery pass let us observe what in good earnest he would weaken my Exhorration by or where is that place in it where he will make good that Imputation against me that I am not enough concerned whether what I say be true or false Now I would gladly know says he what there is in all this discourse which an ingenuous Son of the Church of England will not be heartily ashamed of and even blush for the Doctors sake Repl. Why did you then make such a silly Oration in my name that all the ingenuous Church-men in England should be ashamed of it as well they might if I had made such a jejune lank piece of stuff as your officiousness has made for me But for mine I dare say there is no ingenuous Son of the Church of England unless ●ou measure the I●genuity and Disingenuity of men by their affection and disa●fection to the errors of your Chuoch as you seem to do in Dr. Taylor much less any genuine Sons of our Church but will approve of the firmness reasonableness and seasonableness of such an Exhortation Here is I conf●ss quoth he stout railing Disingenuity more than is necessary for a Doctor c. Repl. Here the Reader may be pleased to take notice of the special sense of Disingenuity with my Antagonist namely that it is the plainly speaking such Truths as argue the gross errors and perillous Enormities ●f the Church of Rome Whenas it is ten thousand times more disingenuous according to the law of God and Nature to smother Truth to the great and real injury of both the Church of Rome and our own And then for my stout Railing which else where he calls that ●nmanly Rheto●ick of Railing let us put them together The stout unmanly Rhetorick of Railing I demand If it be either ferine or womanish with a plain open Constancy to declare those Truths that are of such vast Concern and of so perspicuous a clearness to those that do not wilfully wink against them Or if the propriety of language and to declare according to the nature and true Notion of things and that without all ill will be any form of Rayling Unless Adam in the state of Innocency railed when he gave names according to the natures of the Creatures And this great Clamour against me of Railing is because I call Idolatry Idolatry and the killing of men because they will not commit Idolatry with the Church of Rome barbarous murder But if he mean because I call the Church of Rome by those Titles the Spirit of God calls her in the Apocalypse my Apology is already made in the twenty fourth Paragraph of this 10th Chapter Which I desire my Antagonist and every one it may concern in the fear of God to● peruse and to consider the latter part of it touching those eight last Chapters of the first book of my Synopsis Prophetica and my Exposition of the seven Epistles to the seven Churches of Asia In both which Expositions I challenge any diligent searcher to show any considerable flaw that will lessen the certitude of them for the main or if they think there is the least faultering in this proposal let them show any flaw at all if they can For as for my self though I have been an anxious searcher after Truth I was never yet satisfied concerning any more palpably than of these I speak of Which God knows I do not speak in the way of Boasting but merely to excite the ingenuous to try the strength and evidence I find them that they may thereby after a manner whether they will or no feel it also themselves and find it Nor do I use those Names of Infamy wherewith the Spirit of God has branded the Pontifician Clergy nakedly and without occasion as my Antagonist has
kept in Error by such Topicks as these Dr. Thorndike is not of the same mind with Dr. More therefore Dr. More uses blustering arguments not much concerned whether true or false For my part I desire no man take my Arguments or Assertions upon trust but do appeal to Scripture and his own Reason whether what I say be not true and would have him examine them accordingly And therefore Dr. Thorndike must not be offended though I yield not to his name though I have a due respect for him till I have tried the strength of his Arguments in each Antithesis to my Assertions As to the first Antithesis therefore where he denies the Worship of the Host in the Papac● to be Idolatry Cap. 19. the short and long of his Argument is this That no Papist worships the Elements of the Eucharist nor the Accidents of it for God Therefore no Papist in this VVorship is an Idolater He V● orships not the Elements of the Eucharist because he does not believe them to be there Nor the Accidents as they call them because he believes them to be no part of the Body of Christ into which the consecrated Bread is Transubstantiated But to this I briefl● Answer That the Bread Transubstantiated into the Body of Christ and Hypostatically united with the Deity there where the Accidents shew us so that they become that very Person God-man is the intended Object of their Worship and Adoration being visible to them merely in vertue of those Accidents or species that are like Bread Now therefore it is plain if there be no such thing as Transubstantiation that their Adoration passes upon a mere untransubstantiated piece of Bread instead of the Body or corporeal presence of Christ supposed to be veiled with those Accidents of Bread which therefore is plain Idolatry For in that they are mistaken in their Object and intended no Worship to a piece of Bread but to Christ does not excuse the Idolatry by the 4th and 5th Conclusions of the second Chapter See also Conclusion 21. and 22. as also the last Conclusion of the same Chapter I have represented Dr. Thorndikes Argument with the utmost strength I could possibly and yet it is no other than you see To the second Antithesis Dr. More says he ho●ds that the placing and reverencing of Images in Churches is Idolatry Repl. I do not hold that the mere placing of Images in Churches is Idolatry though I must confess I had rather have their room than their Company but onely the worshipping of them And now let us hear what Dr. Thorndike Chap. 19. alledges to the contrary ●n doing honour saith he to the Images of Saints there can be no Idolatry so long as men take them for Saints that is Gods Creatures much less to the Images of our Lord. ●or it is the Honour of our Lord and not of the Image And a little after to the like sense For indeed and in truth it is not the ●mage but the Principal the Nicene Council calls it Prototype that is honoured by the honour that is said to be done to the Image because it is done before the Image This is the sum of his Argument to prove that Image-worship is no Idolatry Now in order to the better understanding my Answer you are First to take notice that both my Adversary and Dr. Thorndike understand such Images as have honour done to them in the Church of Rome viz. Images dedicated or consecrated as you have an example of the form above and therefore such as are the symbolical Presences of their Principals or Prototypes Secondly That this honour here mentioned in general by Dr. Thorndike is the Honour done and allowed by the Church of Rome unto Images viz. Invocation before them Incurvation setting up Wax-candles and burning Incense before them No● that the doing of this honour to these Images is not Idolatry Dr. Thorndike would prove upon the Principel of Pope Adrian and the second Council of Nice Because the Honour does 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 passes from or through the Image to the Principal in so much that the Principal alone seems to be worshipped not the Image And this Principal being either the Saints or Christ so long as we remember the Saints to be Gods Creatures it can be no Idolatry much less in the Image of Christ since the Principal or Prototype there is God Repl. To the first of which I Answer That the Primitive Christians knew the Emperor to be Gods Creature and even eo nomine because they remembred him to be Gods Creature would not cast a few grains of Incense into the fire in honour of him though it cost them their lives for not doing of it And the departed Souls of the great Heroes or Benefactors among the Heathen whom they after death made Damons and worshipped them were known well enough to be Gods Creatures that is to say the off-spring of the highest Numen 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as the Heathen Poet could sa● and y●t no Christians doubt but they were Idolaters in worshipping them And therefore by the third and fourth Conclusions of the first Chapter the worshipping of the Images of the Saints though terminating on the Saints themselves is Idolatry Besides Incurvation to an Image such as is here practised is Idolatry by the seventh and eighth Conclusions of the same Chapter See also the nineteenth Conclusion of the second Chapter And then for the Image of Christ though Christ be God yet to Worship God by an Image is Idolatr● By the nineteenth Conclusion of the second Chapter and by the second Commandment and the ●earfull vengeance on the Israelites for worshipping the golden Calf which not withstanding was the symbolical Presence of Jehovah And for the pretense that the Worship is done onely before the ●mage not the Image since the Image is a symbolical Presence dedicated to Christ or this or that Saint and that these are the Instances of Honor debitus viz. Incurvation toward it burning Incense and the like used by the C●urch of Rome and specified by the Council of Nice to which the Council of Trent does refer it is manifest that these honours are done to these Images as well as to their Protoypes as appears further from the tenth Conclusion of the first Chapter and the twentieth of the second which Conclusions are improvable also to the case of burning of Incense and lighting up wax-candles and bringing of Oblations to these symbolical Presences which please the simple people when they visibly behold their Masters to whom they pay their Religious Tribute or Offerings whether Money or money-worth What Idolatry can be more Pagan-like than this So little satisfactory is it what Dr. Thorndike produces for the freeing of the Church of Romes Image-worship from Idolatry To the third Antithesis Dr. Thorndike says he excuses Invocation of Saints from Idolatry Repl. Truly upon my perusal of that Chapter in Dr. Thorndike I think my Adversary has little reason to