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A45832 Saturday no sabbath, or, The seventh-day Sabbath proved to be of no force to the beleeving Gentiles in the times of the Gospel, by the law of nature, Moses, Christ being an account of several publique disputations held at Stone-Chappel by Pauls, London, between Dr. Chamberlain, Mr. Tillam, and Mr. Coppinger ... and Jer. Ives ... : together with an appendix in which the said question is more fully and plainly discussed ... / by Jer. Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1659 (1659) Wing I1104; ESTC R24396 120,548 256

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then she doth in appointing a place of worship and that Christ hath not left us a command to observe one day rather then another appears by that forecited text Rom. 14. therefore in all cases Christ hath given power to his Church to make laws as appears in that he hath given them power to appoint the place where the Church should assemble would it not then be sinful for any small inconsiderable number of the Church to appoint another place to meet in contrary to that which the whole church to which they are related have agreed to and chosen to meet in Even so in like manner will the Lord judge those men guilty of Schism that shall rent from the Churches to which they are related for no other cause but that they may keep a day in opposition to that day appointed by the Church for the exercise of Religion Now unless these men can prove by express text that Christ hath given us a command to observe the seventh day sabbath how will they escape the sentence of refusing to hear the Church and that other sentence of making divisions contrary to the Doctrine which they have received For in this case I shall appeal to the Consciences of all those men that keep the seventh day sabbath whether or no if they should agree upon a certain place to worship god in yet if after this agreement some few of the Church should at the same time in which their Church is assembled refuse to come to them and meet in another place where they list themselves would they not judge those men guilty of schism and disorder now by what Law can they do it since Christ hath appoint●d no particular place of meeting but by the forementioned law that the Church ought to be heard in all lawful thing and therefore no private persons ought to contend against the Commands of the Church when she commands nothing contrary to sound Doctrine Now then since a time to worship is to be observed we remain bound in conscience to observe that day which the Church of Christ commands us to observe which is the first day of the week till any body can shew us where Christ hath commanded another day How then will those men excuse themselves from rending and tearing the body of Christ asunder tht rent from the Churches whereunto they were formerly related for no other reason but for that the Church observeth the first day of the week and refuseth to observe the Mosaical or Jewish seventh day sabbath Let me therefore from what hath been said beseeoh all that love the Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity to tender the peace of the Church and prefer the peace and prosperity thereof above their chief joy and rather let their tongue cleave to the roof of their mouth and their right hand forget its cunning rather then let their hearts forget the peace and prosperity of the Church whom Christ hath purchased with his own bloud and let not these Disputations about a sabbath day eat out of our memories the great sabbath of the Lord that is approaching in which every one that keeps Faith and a good Conscience shall rest with Christ from all their Labourings and Sufferings in this World as GOD did from his Labour when he made the World Oh then let us all labour and strive to enter into that rest into which Christ is entred and let us take heed that while we are labouring to enter into that seventh day rest with the unbeleeving Jews that together with them we fall not into the same example of unbeleef in denying Jesus Christ to be our only Lord and Saviour into which unbeleef and disobedience many have stumbled and fallen in these days who while they have been labouring to intangle others with the 〈◊〉 wish yoke of bondage have fallen from the Grace of the ●ospel of Jesus Christ Thus having with all sincerity and plainness as in the sight of God answered those Reasons that are alleadged for the seventh day sabbath and urged those Reasons why I am perswaded beleevers are not to observe it together with my Reasons why I beleeve we ought to observe the first day of the week I shall leave the whole to the blessing of Almighty God desiring that what is here offered according to the mind of God that God may have the glory and whatever hath fallen from my tongue in disputing or my pen in writing this controversie that savors of the flesh or humane frailty I hope the Father of mercies will pardon it and so I hope will every Christian Reader into whose hands this shall fall which is all that is desired from him who is Thy Friend in the Truth JER IVES FINIS ERRATA Reader SOme few Faults have escaped which thou art desired to Correct with thy Pen. IN the Epistle page 8 line 21. for aeman read a man Epist pag. 11. l. 16. for wrandrings r. wandrings Epist p. 12. l. 10. for hold r. holding In pag. 27. l. 8. for Jer. 35 36. r. ver 35 36. in p. 28. l. 22. for two causes r. two clauses p. 63. l. 24. for poople r. people p. 78. line 12 for seventh-sabbath r. seventh-day sabbath p. 81. for Commadments r. Commandments p. 90. l. 6. for no other r. any other p. 136. l. 1. for 156. r. 133.
Oh then when you shall have received the truth as it is in Jesus walk in it and be not easily perswaded to move from the truth unto which thou art called for any base or by-end whatever and the God of truth shall at last recompence all thy Labours in it and thy sufferings for it But is thou art convinced that some things whereof thou hast been perswaded are errors be not ashamed to confess thy mistakes knowing that it is so far from tending to thy shame whatever Satan or thy own heart shall perswade thee that it will be a crown of glory and honour upon thy head Prov. 4.8 9. And in hold and contending for the Truth have a care lest thou over-valuest or undervaluest the truth thou makest profession of by counting those Truths essential to salvation Church Communion which are not so or on the other hand by counting the Fundamentals of Christian Religion but circumstantial things and things without which a man may be saved have a care then lest thou by thy rigidness in things of less moment shouldst disturb the peace of the Church and offend the Consciences of thy weak Brethren for whom Christ died the like care ought to be taken of the other extream of judging the Substantials of Religion as circumstances lest by so doing we break down the whole Fabrick of the Christian Religion and lay wast the profession thereof by counting the props and stays of it as indifferent things Having cautioned you about the receiving maintaining and retaining of the truth my desire is that you make use thereof in judging these insuing Conferences about the seventh-day Sabbath which I have carefully published for the stopping of slanderous mouths who have misrepresented the Disputations and also for the satisfying them that doubt and confirming of those that are weak that they be not carried about with divers and strange Doctrines and tossed to and fro with every wind If then by these threshings there be any thing beat out that lay hid before by which thy soul may be strengthened and thy hungry desire after truth satisfied give God the glory and if by the light hereof any darkness or weakness is discovered bless the Father of lights and if you do receive light walk in it that you may be found the children of it and that this may be the end of our writing and reading praying preaching and disputing is the prayer and desire of Your affectionate friend and Brother in the faith I. I. BEing by the Providence of God and the intreaty of many of His People put upon this work I hope I shall do nothing therein of which I shall need to be ashamed in my self or blamed by any that were hearers and impartial Judges of the ensuing Conferences at the Bar of whose Tribunal I now stand and for those that are captious and lie in wait for my halting I shall appeal from the Bar of their partiality to the Judge of all the World whether in this I have not walked uprightly And whereas there is somewhat added by way of Observation both upon the Arguments and Answers as occasion is offered I thought good to give notice that whatever occurreth of this kind I have put in a different Character to avoid mistakes that so the unwary or the uncharitable Reader might not confound what is added for further information with what was offered in the Disputation And if thou findest a more methodical account of Mr. Ives his Arguments then Mr. Tillams know that Mr. Tillam did refuse to observe any Logical Method either in this Arguings or Answers and therefore what thou findest amiss of this kind do not impute to the partiality of the Scribe And whereas thou findest some of Mr. Tillams words methodized and put into Arguments by Mr. Ives it is no more then what was offered in the Disputations that so the Audience might understand the force of M. Tillams Orations and to what they did amount when summed up into Arguments And for what was offered by Dr. Chamberlain I confess it was more Methodical but how rational it concernes not me to determine And as touching the last Dispute which was with Mr. Coppinger it was appointed to the end that he as Respondent should give some fresh Answers to what Arguments Mr. Ives had alledg'd against Mr. Tillam and Dr. Chamberlain the two first dayes and likewise to the end that he might answer what other Arguments Mr. Ives had further to urge against the observation of the seventh-day Sabbath which whether he hath so done or no the consideration hereof will give thee satisfaction and for the better Information of the weak I have at the end of the Disputations given a short and brief account of my 〈◊〉 against the seventh-day Sabbath 〈◊〉 of all the Objections that I have ever met with seem those that are contrary minded with brief Answers thereunto to which I desire as plain a Reply may be given if any shall 〈…〉 print any thing further upon this 〈…〉 and this I take to be a more profitable way to decide Controversies of this kinde then any other that I know of Having thus given notice of the Method here intended I now come to give an account of the Disputations the first whereof was on Thursday the sixth of January 1658. at which time the people being assembled Mr. Ives propoundeth this ensuing Question Mr. Ives The question I shall offer to be disputed this day is Whether there be any Law that bindeth the Gentiles to keep the seventh day Sabbath Dr. Chamberlain I demand first what you mean by Law secondly what you mean by Gentile I pray explain these terms in your question Mr. Ives VVhen I demand whether there be any Law c. my meaning is VVhether the Law of Nature the Law of Moses or the Law of Christ doth require the Gentiles to keep the seventh-day Sabbath and by Gentiles in the question I do mean all the world except sews and such as were Proselyted to their Religion And from the question thus explained I do demand VVhether there be any Law that bindeth the Gentiles to observe the seventh-day Sabbath Dr. Chamberlain To your question I answer that the Gentiles are bound to keep the seventh-day Sabbath Mr. Ives This I deny and therefore I do desire you to prove it and when it comes to my turn to be Opponent I shall prove that the Gentiles are not required to keep the seventh-day Sabbath in the mean time I pray prove that they are Dr. Chamberlain 1. Arg. That Gentiles are required to keep the seventh-day Sabbath I thus prove That which is commanded for Strangers to observe is commanded for Gentiles to observe but the seventh-day Sabbath is commanded for Strangers to observe Ergo the seventh-day Sabbath is commanded for Gentiles to observe Mr. Ives If by stranger you mean only the stranger that WAS within Israels Gates then I deny the Major because the stranger within the gates was the