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A45243 A review and examination of a pamphlet lately published bearing the title Protesters no subverters, and presbyterie no papacy, &c. / by some lovers of the interest of Christ in the Church of Scotland. Hutcheson, George, 1615-1674. 1659 (1659) Wing H3828; ESTC R36812 117,426 140

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and ease c. as Prelats and their creatures did and not when these sufferers left it to keep a good conscience and by leaving thereof did perform that duty of suffering and left their Ministery to keep their flock by their example from the wolf and from all liking of his fair shews and not as the careless shepherd who leaveth them to the claws of the wolf Yea these sufferers did teach them by their example of suffering when they were not suffered to do it by doctrine but did willingly submit to the providence of the Lord who for the present called them from it Much more to this purpose may be read in the Author at large in the Section cited as also Sect. 15. Whereas it is said that it is an omission of a duty upon a non-relevant reason of the meer will of men which they so often repeat and in the close of Arg. 3. pag. 102 103. tell us that these duties cannot cease to be obliging to such a person hic nunc upon that reason unlesse we prefer the commandments of men to the Commandments of God and say It is better to obey men than God Answ It is true that the unjust Sentence is the object of the mans suffering and from it is the rise of his forbearance but the reason why he suffers and forbears is most relevant as being in obedience to the Command of God requiring us to suffer in a matter which is our priviledge and comfort rather than make a Schism But this is their grand mistake that they look only to men as their party and to the injustice of their procedure But do not remember that God by that dispensation of His providence in suffering lawfull Authority to do them wrong is calling them to suffer And that when they submit thereunto it is not to men but to God also and to the Order established by Him 5. Whereas they make it a great exception in the matter of Submission that we are the plurality and pag. 10. they alleage there must be no good intention when the stronger party doth presse the Submission of the weaker Answ We do believe indeed that this hath not the least weight with them in this debate for they have made it apparent throughout the Pamphlet that were they the plurality they would not admit of it as a relevant exception against them nor do we believe was this ever an exception before in any true Church But to the thing it self As by the Conference for Union there was sufficient provision offered for securing them in matters of our bypast differences So men of our judgment have yeelded the same Submission we require where they are the plurality And when a Presbyterie wherein the plurality was of their judgment did depose one of our judgment for not submitting to their Sentence of Suspension the Synod did ratifie the Sentence of Deposition though the Synod as they well know were of a different judgment from them and were not satisfied with their procedure in his Suspension Having now brought this debate to a close wherein though we have not followed their method yet we trust we have not shifted or passed-by any thing of weight in all their arguings And having also spoken our mind so far as is necessary to the whole Pamphlet We shall only for a close of all adde a word to the Reader and especially to those Ministers and Professors who differ from us upon the matter of our late debates And 1. though we have been necessitated to speak somewhat home to this Piece and what is contained in it in our own and the Churches defence yet we intreat and obtest it may not be understood as spoken to all that Party but only to the guilty and chiefly to the Authors of this Pamphlet to whom this Church and all Reformed Presbyterian Churches do owe little thanks for their contributing so much to the advancement of all Sectarian Designs and their strength●…ning the hands of all licentious persons who live under their inspection and jurisdiction We have made conscience to forbear railing and have spoken many things the Lord knoweth in the grief of our heart of their way which we wish had never been or were buried in perpetuall silence And if any thing of that kind be found which any will dis-relish as we desire that charity which Scripture alloweth unto men under much oppression and do request that our Reasons may be weighed impartially So we entreat that none will suspect that these things do beget any heart-alienation in us from our Brethren with whom our soul desireth to be united in the Lord and who we trust will return these Agents little thanks for their service 2. Though the importunate clamours of these men have drawn us out in our necessary defence as is said before upon the debate of the late Resolutions Acts of Judicatories and Censures inflicted by them which those of our Judgment have so often offered to remove for their part out of the way that they impede not an Union Yet let none think that we have receded from these our Purposes and Overtures whereby all these debates may be buried We hold our selves bound to Declare that in these things we are where we were notwithstanding these Contests and do heartily request our Brethren that there may be a condescendence on their part And though we be reflected upon as carnall politick men in these our endeavours and offers Yet we trust it shall be no grief of heart to us one day to be found lovers of Truth and Peace and such as seek Peace and pursue it FINIS ERRATA PAge 29 line 31. read were deposed p. 55. l. 3. for that r. than p. 56. l. 1. r vigorously only for p 64. l. 6. for that r. their Ibid. l. 10. r. es there is guilt p. 70. l. 5. r. Assembly Ibid. l. 12. for would r. will p. 107. l. 21. r. 98.