Cretensis design next unto that of rendring my Book and all I relate in it to be false and untrue is this The aspersing me and my Antapology and Gangraena with such weaknesse and want of all learning as if I understood neither Latin nor English nor knew not how to speak or write Reason common sense or to frame the structure of a period according the common Rules of Grammar but were a profound Ignoramus and so altogether unfit to take upon me the confutation of Errors and this he insists upon in several Pages of his Pamphlet or Answer Cretens p. 10 23 24 36. Reply Now in this what doth Cretensis else but play the Jesuit and Arminian in stead of solid Answers thus to flight vilifie me and my Books that being just the way they took against such Books as were too hard for them and knew not how to Answer as Dr. Twiss's Books against Arminians c. but whatsoever Cretensis in his rage casts upon me and my Writings my Books will speak for me and themselves in the gates having the testimony of many learned and godly men both of this and other Churches at home and beyond the Seas and could I without blushing and all suspition of praising my self relate the passages in Letters messages sent me speeches by word of mouth from great Divines both at home and from abroad concerning my Antapology and Gangraena and that not only of particular men apart but of many in a body both in City and Countrey as a common joynt act besides expressions that have faln from some Independents and Independentisâ—â— concerning me my studies in the Controversies of the Church way and some of my Books as a speech of Mr. Thomas Goodwin spoken to a Minister one Mr. T. and others then present upon occasion of some Independents slighting me and my first Book as Cretensis doth here yea passages out of some of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Answers to Mr. Prynne concerning me and my Antapology it would be a full confutation of all Cretensis hath said against me in this matter yea a clear conviction that all words of this kinde are nothing else but the venting of his spleen and passion against me and my Books But all I will say by way of Answer to Cretensis reproaches of this nature is 1. The quick sale these Books had being bought up by learned and judicious men of all ranks the last Book Gangraena being now in the Presse the third time within lesse then two Moneths unto which adding the greatnesse of the Book consisting of so many sheets with the not being exposed to sale by setting up Titles in all places of the City at Church doors Exchange c. like Wine that needs no Bush though all ways under Heaven were used by the Sectaries to blast it is an evident Argument 't is not such a weak nonsense piece as Cretensis speaks of for in these times when the Presse is so thronged with such variety of Books and many excellent pieces come forth more then men can read judicious understanding men have somthing else to do with their money and time then to buy and read Books full of nonsense contradictions and whose Authors know not how to range their Parts of speech in a sentence nor how to put the Nominative Case and Verb together regularly in English 2. I will here give the Reader a true Copy of a Letter to a tittle sent me from Eight and twenty Ministers out of one County in this Kingdom whose joynt judgement upon my Antapology and Grangraena may serve with every indifferent Reader to ballance yea to weigh down Cretensis To our Reverend Friend Mr. Thomas Edwards Minister of the Gospel SIR WEE cannot but acknowledge the great service you have done for the Church of God by interposing your self against the growing Schisms and Heresies of these times And upon conference had thereof at our weekly meetings here we have thought it our part to contribute somewhat to your incouragement by testifying how great acceptance your labors find among us who give thanks to God for you and your zeal to his truth expressed not only in your usual Sermons but especially in your Antapology and Gangraena by which you are well known to us all and we earnestly desire that you will continue the same endeavors for the maintenance of the truth and opposing of Errors And as we are very sensible of the great discouragements you are like to meet withal so we shall the more heartily commend you and the successe of your labors to Gods protection and blessing resting Your loving Brethren and fellow-labourers in the Ministery March 19. 1645. Unto this Letter the hands of twenty eight Ministers are Subscribed but I forbear the Printing of them as I do the County where they live to avoid all danger which might come to any of them from printing their Names if some Sectaries in the Army come that way as they are likely to do Now in my Reply to particulars laid down in Cretensis I shall apply my self chiefly to justifie and make good those Relations in Gangraena excepted against by Cretensis reserving other things in his Answer to my fuller Reply which Cretensis God willing shall be sure of and that to the full Cretens pag. 2. labours by all his Rhetorick and many words to insinuate to the Reader how in writing of my Book Gangraena I have said all and the worst I can of the Independents and Sectaries that whilst I charge them only with such and such crimes I do not so much charge them with these as acquit and discharge them from all others and that there 's no reasonable man but will abate and deduct and that to a good proportion from such reckonings and accounts c. much lesse will he judge such accounts short or defective in particulars and that Mr. Edwards hath but faintly informed the world how vile and bad the Sectaries are but hath justified and acquitted them from all other crimes and imputations of any worse resentment or import then those wherewith he afflicted them and consequently hath represented them to the world as better and far more deserving then far the greatest part of his own Presbyterian Generation Reply However Mr. Edwards or the Printer for him may possibly in some places of his Book print none of the truest English yet I am sure Cretensis in this Page speaks none of the best sense nor Reason that ever I read in my life but every line and sentence is so slight and weak that a man may look through and through it and the truth of it is Cretensis all along hath a multitude of bom-basted starched words priding himself therein but seldom or never in all his answers hath he any thing else witnesse his Answers to Mr. Walker Mr. Prynne and this present Passage And first for that which Cretensis speaks here the man makes good what he saith pag. 50. that he never read one quarter of my Book and
Reply as followes reserving the greatest part I have to say till my full and particular Reply to Mr Saltmarsh and his fellowes shall come forth that as t is a strange bold assertion to affirm not only for himself but for all the Parish that they know 't is a meer untruth which implies thus much that Mr Saltmarsh does not only assuredly know all things that all the women in the Parish do but all what ever the whole Town of Brasteed knowes for else how can he say so of all the women and all the inhabitants of that place so t is an untrue assertion for some who live at Brasteed do not know it to be an untruth but beleeve it to be a truth for one Mr. Wheatly a godly able Minister who lives at Brasteed in a Gentlemans house and hath lived there this two years told me very confidently this Relation of a woman in the presence of two Ministers besides two other Inhabitants of the Town who have lived longer in Brasteed then Master Saltmarsh affirme the same and three godly Ministers living neer to Brasteed have told me also there is such a woman of whom this is commonly spoken and a Citizen in London an honest man having some relation to Brasteed and knowing the place tels me there is such a woman as is reported by many of Brasteed to be a preaching woman and he coming lately out of Kent told me that upon the way meeting with a Gentleman of the Committee who discoursing of Mr Saltmarshes denying there was any such woman in Brasteed and was speaking against my Book this Citizen replyed he beleeved it to be true and offered to lay a twenty shilling peece that there was such a woman but the Gentleman durst not and besides all this the Minister who first told me having lately been written unto about it in a Letter by way of answer stands to that Relation which is laid down in Gangraena But of this in my full and particular Reply the Reader shall receive more large satisfaction only for present from what I have now said though there be much more behinde I leave to the consideration of any judicious and unprejudiced Reader whether I had not ground enough to writ as I did and whether there be not more reason to beleeve so many affirmative witnesses then one negative who may not know all that 's done in Brasteed for such a thing may be and he never the wiser besides Master Saltmarsh being a Sectary is a party and his testimony is by me proved to be false in affirming all in that place know it to be a meer untruth whereas the contrary is the truth divers living in that Town relating the story of a woman Preacher there All that Master Walwyn the Marchant either in his Pamphlets entituled A whisper in the Eare of Master Thomas Edwards or a word more to Master Thomas Edwards labours to disprove in matter of fact contained in my Book entituled Gangraena is that I have wronged him and falsified in saying Mr Walwyn a Seeker and a dangerous man a strong head as also in my Relation of Mr Lilburn the informations given unto me of both of them being such as if they had been made a purpose to shame me to all the world Now by way of Reply first concerning Mr Walwyn himself I am confident that every judicious Reader who hath but read Mr Walwyns Pamphlets out of them will acquit me that I have said nothing of him but truth he being out of his owne mouth and writings condemned for a dangerous man a Seeker and a strong head as many who knew him not before from reading his Pamphlets have told me that he hath justified to the world what I have said of him but I shall at large make good this against the man in my full Reply to him and his fellowes following him from place to place from person to person with whom he hath conversed and from one thing to another that he hath had his hand in wherein I shall lay him open to the world and prove him to be a dangerous man yea a desperate dangerous man a Seeker and Libertine a man of al Religions pleading for all and yet what Religion he is of no man can tel A man of an equivocating Jesuitical spirit being full of mental reservations equivications as appears by the sense he hath put upon the Nationall Covenant there being hardly any Jesuit could have put a more equivâ—call interpretation upon the Covenant then himself And I desire the Reader to observe what I now say of M. Walwyn Since his first Book came forth against me I have enquired and spoken with many honest godly men about M. Walwyn who know him well and all of them with one consent and voyce though I have enquired of them apart concerning him and the men know not one another yet all agree that Mr Walwyn is a dangerous man and a desperate man For present I will only alledge two Testimonies reserving others till my full Reply which I beleeve will be full and speak home and the parties who witnesse will be ready before any Committee or Court of England if called to restifie as much The first was given me in writing March 30. 1646. subscribed by the hand of him who brought it to me and delivered to me in the presence of two godly Citizens as his hand and that which he would maintain to be truth and produce other witnesses for the proof of it when he should be call'd by Authority and t is as followes Inprimis That Mr Walwyn did say it was a sin to pray for the King and that it would lie as a sin upon the Preists so to delude the people and that he did admire at our Preists that they should stand bauling and praying for the King that God would turn his heart and say of him that he was the anoynted of God And he said they were glad to doe it namely the Ministers because if the King maintain them in their way they would cry him up to the people And M. Walwyn being asked how we should performe the Covenant we had taken to maintain the Kings honour he said he remembred no such clause in the Covenant And further he said that he did much admire at the simplicity that was in the hearts of the people that they should suffer themselves to be Governed by a King and that under such a government the Kingdome could not be safe He being asked what he thought of Mr Marshall M. Calamy M. Sedgwick and other godly Ministers he answered and said they were a company of Mountebancks and that they kept the people in ignorance and blindnesse and that they preached nothing but what we know already and that he knew no Scriptures for them to be Preachers more then other men as he named Shoemakers Coblers Weavers or Sopeboylers and the like absolutely speaking against all Congregations and Ministers and that if
tenth part of the Discovery of the Errors Heresies Practises c. beside some things in the Letters are of another nature and to one of the Letters is annexed a Confutation of the matter contained in it consisting of two whole leaves of those few sheets within a few lines 2. As for that of jugling and forgery which Cretensis would put upon me the man measures me by himself and his party because that he and some of his party are used to juggle and possibly forge Letters and News invent and give our many things which never were have with the Jesuits their piae fraudes to advance their Catholike cause therefore he thinks so of me but I blesse God I am a plain man hating equivocations mental reservations plots underminings of men playing under-board carrying things in the clouds I count honesty the best policy and faithful plain dealing the greatest wisdom and the Independents will finde it so in the end however for a while they prosper by their shufling tricks devices policies as Strafford Canterbury and others did before them 3. To come to the main charge of concealing the names of those who writ me Letters and all the inferences drawn from thence I answer I have already given some Reasons for it and do adde these unto them most of the men who writ the Letters writ them not for that end to be printed knew not of nor imagined no such matter neither did I acquaint them with it and for me without their leave obtained to print their Names to the world I could not do it keeping unviolated the rules of friendship besides I well understood that were a way to cut off correspondency and Intelligence for the future if I should print mens Names publikely to the world writing in a private way to me Of all the Letters written to me there were two only which I expressed to the Authors I would print them and acquainted them with my purpose whose Names notwithstanding excepting the two first Letters subscribed I concealed with the rest for company But now that I may overthrow Cretensis Proposition and his Inferences his Foundation and his Superstructures I shall name most of them who writ the Letters to me and others as also from whose hands I received those Letters which were printed by me though not written to me The first Letter was written me from Mr. Strong a Member of the Assembly of Divines who after he had told me by word of mouth the contents of this Letter promised to send it me in a Letter and I acquainted him then what use it was for and he said he would justifie what he writ and named others in whose presence Master Denne maintained these Points The second Letter was written from Master Simon Ford to a Member of the Assembly Master Gowerâ—s from whose hands I received it and told Mr. Gowers I should print it to which he was willing and since Gangraena was printed the Author writes to me about his Letter That he will enlarge and confirm the particulars in that Letter and send it to me The third Letter was one Master Josiab Ricrasts who owns it and hath been with me since Cretensis came forth and to my knowledge is drawing up an Answer to Cretensis for so much as concerns that Letter The fourth Letter was written by a Weaver in Somersetshire one Crab if I mistake not the name and I received it from M. Rosewal a City Minister well known who will own it and make it good 't is such a mans And thus I have given an account of the Copies of all the whole Letters printed by me Now for the Extract of certain Letters written to me some other Ministers for seven of them which are the greatest part of those Extracted Letters namely all those which concern Colchester and Mr. Ellis or some others there of which Letters Mr. Ellis himself writes thus to a friend in London The aspersions cast on me and some others here by Mr. Edwards are as false as foul which because they are a great part of his Book and strength those who are here concerned in it will if God please shortly make Reply Cretensis p. 44. he who writ them is not afraid of his name neither was his name concealed for fear of an Examination of the truth of the Letters as Cretensis by reading this Letter lately sent to me from him may understand which I here print to a tittle To my Reverend and worthy Friend Mr. Thomas Edwards Minister of the Word of God Reverend Sir THere is a passage in Mr. Iohn Goodwins Book charging you with abusing Mr. Ellis of Colchester and the Saints in those parts and that he will shortly make Reply to your false and foul aspersions These are therefore to certifie you that concerning those Letters I writ unto you from Colchester I have them attested under the hands of many sufficient witnesses each particular that is material being ayerred by three witnesses at least and those of piety and judgement which attestations I shall keep by me to produce them upon fit occasions to iustifie those Letters to the world Yet it is possible he will Reply to those things as false and foul or come off with distinctions and mental reservations but these things are so evident in this Town and much more then I writ unto you as his Preaching for the pulling down of our Churches and other things that I can prove that his Pamphlet will do him no good in this place For it will not be the first time that he hath said unsaid the same things here denying and dissembling his opinions for advantage as will be testified by many witnesses by some of the Honorable Members of the House of Commons Ministers and others godly and judicious Christians This I thought good to signifie for the present recommending you to the grace of God I rest Your affectionate friend and fellow labour in the Gospel Rob. Harmar April 1646. Now by all this the Reader may see what to judge of Cretensis and his false glosses and commentaries upon the Letters Printed in Gangraena and had I Cretensis railing scoffing Rhetorick which he makes use of in this section and in many other places of his Book I might spin out whole leaves in aggravation and scoring up of lyes evil surmisings bitter words scoff and jeers expressed by Cretensis upon occasion of the Printed Letters but I forbear to contend with him in this kind truth needs not such colors though errors does to set it off The hare relation of these things is a sufficient confutation of Cretonsis and if the printed Letters of which Cretensis Master Ellis yea and Master Saltmarsâ— make such a cry of forgerie falsitie dare abide the light and their Authors are ready to justifie them the judicious Reader by this may both judge of the truth of other things contained in Gangraena and of the folly and vanity of the rest of Cretensis allegations against my Book
a Pike in the street upon which Cretensis makes jests as that Lilburn is able to see and read twenty untruths and ten in Mr. Edwards Book with the worst of them I answer this passage as also that of two Children taken away at a time from Cretensis are not made any thing of by me or insisted upon to upbraid them but touched only to shew their own folly in rash censuring of Presbyterians from acts of Gods Providence in afflicting by giving instances in themselves However for the truth of the thing Lilburns eye was so run into by a Pike immediately upon his Letter coming forth against Mr. Prynne and the Assembly as that he could not see with it for a great while and it was feared and commonly reported he would never see more with it but for my part I am glad to hear he can see again with it and the recovery of his sight doth no whit infringe the truth of what I have written I expressing not how long he could not see speaking only of presently after his Letter came forth but supposing his eye-sight to be as good as Cretensis expresses it yet I am sure he cannot read twenty and ten untruths in Gangraena and I suppose by this time the Reader by my Reply is well satisfied that this speech of Cretensis is an untruth and as for that jeer of Cretensis That if I had not a great beam in my own eye I might easily have seen that neither of Lilburns eyes are put out I Reply that lately in Westminster Hall I walked by Leiut Col Lilburn and eyed him well and could easily see a great blemish in one of his eyes which was not in the other and so visible that many a one in whose eye lesse is seen yet cannot see at all and I am of the minde if Cretensis do but put on his Spectacles he may see a great blemish in the eye upon occasion of the Pike running in but for my part the greatest hurt I wish to Lieut Col Lilburn is that he may not lose the eye of his soul in the wayes of Error Schism contempt of the Ministery dispising of Dominion and speaking evil of Dignities yes my earnest prayer to God for him Cretensis and other of their Brethren is That God would anoint their eyes with eye-salve that they might see and be ashamed and return Lastly for Thomas Moor a great Sectary and manifestarian that hath done much hurt in Lincolnshire which Cretensis denies by saying he doth not more believe there is any such man then he does that there is any woman-Preacher at Brasteed in Kent c. and he believes me to be the greatest Manifestarian under Heaven there being no man that hath manifested that weaknesse of judgement that strength of malice against the Saints that I have done I Reply first the Reader may do well to take special notice of the bold impudency of Cretensis who dares deny any thing if it may make for the Sectaries and 't is no wonder he denies many other things in Gangraena calling them lies forgeries when as he will dare to write thus and to deny that which is known to many hundreds and to persons of all ranks Ministers Gentlemen Citizens Souldiers This Thomas Moor does much hurt in Lincolnshire some parts of Norfolk Cambridgeshire he is famous at Boston Lynne Holland followed and accompanied somtimes from place to place with many attending him and I cannot think but Cretensis hath heard of him and that he hath some Equivocation in his words or evasions as it may be upon the word Sectary Cretensis not judging any of his Saints Sectaries or upon great Sectary as those words seem to imply A Sectary of that magnitude which he imports or else upon those words That hath done much mischief Cretensis not believing that any of his Saints can do much mischief and truly Cretensis may with as much truth deny there is any such man as Master Hugh Peters as deny what I have written of Thomas Moor and that there is such a one I have seen and have by me at this time writings of his to the quantity of almost twenty sheets for his Opinions written by Thomas Moor himself subscribed with his Name to a worthy and learned Member of the Assembly As also this Thomas Moor since these Wars was questioned and committed by the then Governor of Boston Colonel King for keeping an unlawful Conventicle at an unseasonable time in the night in the Garrison Town of Boston and for abusing and mis-calling the Governor when he was brought before him about it Secondly as for that jeer There is no more any such man then such a woman at Brasteed in Kent let Cretensis know for all Master Saltmashes bold affirmation in his late Book that the contrary is known to himself and all the Town there is such a woman who Preaches often both at Brasteed and other Towns thereabouts and besides what the Reader in justification of this may finde in this Book p. 24 25. I shall adde this as a farther proof related to me lately by two godly Ministers of Kent which is as follows Upon Mr. Saltmarshes Book call'd Groans for Liberty coming forth and denying there was any such woman who Preached at Brasteed many of the godly Ministers of Kent in that part of Kent about Town Mauling at a meeting of theirs took it in consideration to enquire and finde out the truth of that related in Gangraena but denied by Mr. Saltmarsh and entreated particularly a Minister on Mr. T. born in those parts neer Brasteed knowing the Town and the people thereabouts to make it his businesse so to search into it as that the certain knowledge of it might be reported to them at their next meeting that accordingly it might be communicated to me for the further clearing of the truth Mr. T. willingly accepted of the Motion of his Brethren and accordingly did act in the businesse and at the next meeting satisfied the rest of the Ministers that he had found out there was such a Preaching woman an Anabaptist who somtimes at Brasteed and other times at Westrum a Town neer Brasteed doth meet other women and after she hath Preached she takes the Bible and chuses a Text some Verses in a Chapter or somtimes a whole Chapter and expounds and applies to her Auditors and Mr. T. the Minister who returned this relation to the Minister knows this woman and knows this to be so One of those two Ministers who acquainted me with this being entreated to give it me under his hand hath under his hand given it me which I keep by me to produce upon any occasion so that the Reader may see both the one and the other Thomas Moor the Sectary and a woman Preacher at Brasteed and both true notwithstanding Cretensis will not believe them but makes a jeer and scoff at these as he doth at all other things Thirdly to that bitter uncharitable unchristian expression of Cretensis
who will settle here with them Hereupon they are presently so high flowne that they will have our publike meeting place commonly called the Church to preach a weekly Lecture though we have an Order from the Committee of Parliament that there shall bee none without the consent of both the Ministers in Dover and have acquainthem with it yet some have threatned if the Key be kept away they will break open the doores and since M. Davies journey to London the Members of his Church meeting everie Lords day twice and once in the weeke Mr. Mascall a man employed by the State to bee a perfector of the Customes undertakes to feed the flock expounds the Scriptures and with much vehemencie cries out to the people expressing himselfe thus against the present Ministerie Your Priests your damned Priests your cursed Priests with their fooles Coat Your Levites who if they get an Ordinance of Parliament will thunder it out but they let alone the Ordinances of Christ and perswades the people of the evill that Synods and Learned men have done to the Church and therefore presses them to the uselessenesse of humane learning and at other times in private meetings perswades people that they will fall into most miserable slaverie if they have a Presbytery and saith That hee shall stand and laugh at them when they are under their burthens For our parts if the State will suffer themselves to bee so vilified in what they have by the best advice proposed and will have us trodden under foot for following Christ and obeying them and will have us take Covenants and suffer as many as will to violate them wee shall then thinke that wee are fallen into worse times then ever wee yet saw Wee desire you to counsell us and to improve your power in the Assembly and with the Parliament what you may to stop these violent proceedings here that we may enjoy our priviledges especially the peace of our Consciences and Countrey we rest Your loving Friends Dover April 13. 1646. This Letter is given into the hands of a Peer of this Kingdom The Copie of a Letter written from a learned and godly Divine from beyond the Seas to a speciall Friend of his here in London and translated by him out of Dutch into English VVE do earnestly long for some Ordinances from England for the suppressing of the high growing Sects Heresies and Schismes which get the upperhand We are afflicted in our verie souls that there is such a depth of Distractions and Errors such liberty for Schisme Blasphemie and ungodly Tenents both at London and in the whole Kingdome O blessed holy Holland righteous Amsterdam heretofore accounted the sink of Errours and Heresies but now justified by London With us are punished with banishment or piercing through the tong with a hot Iron those that but slanderously speak of the Virgin Mary Here we burne the books of the Socinians Errours and they may not with knowledge be sold in these parts Here indeed every one is left to enjoy the freedome of his Conscience in his own Family but to keep Conventicles and meetings of divers Families together Amsterdam it selfe will not suffer except in Anabaptists Lutherans and Remonstrants At London is taught Blasphemy against Christ God his Word Worship and Sacraments by Enthusiasts Antinomians Libertines and Seekers There the Socinian tricks are new moulded there all Sects and Hereticks may keep their separated publike and secret Conventicles Whence is it that you are so suddenly led away unto another Gospell Is there no balme in Gilead that the wounds of the daughter of Sion are not healed are the Prayers of the Saints and the Labours of the upright all in vain Gods judgements hang over that Kingdom which feeds and fosters such sins A Passage extracted out of a Letter lately sent from a godly Minister in Colchester to a Minister in London THe last Sabbath day we had one Clarkson a Seeker that preached at Butolph Church the same man I believe that M. Edwards mentions in his Book His Sermon tended to the vilifying of the Scriptures all Ordinances Duties Ministers Church State Hee vilified the Scriptures and would not have the people live upon white and black and that they of themselves were not able to reveal God of which I shall give M. E. a full account the next week An Extract of a Letter written from a Minister in New-England to a Member of the Assembly of Divines DIscipline or Church Government is now the great businesse of the Christian World God grant we forget not the doctrine of Repentance from dead works and Faith in the Lord Jesus I long much to see or heare what is done in England about this matter I shall not fall into particulars as I might do could we speake mouth to mouth I am no Independent neither are manie others who say Communi Presbyterorum consilio Ecclesiae ab initio regebantur nor am I of a democraticall spirit Much have I seene in my almost eleven yeares abode in this Wildernesse and I wish such as maintain an Independen Democracie had seene and found as much experimentally A house like to be well governed where all are Masters but no more of this For my self God hath been here with me and done me much good learning me somthing of himselfe of my selfe and of men N. E. is not Heaven and here we are men still Decem. 8. 1645. To his loving brother M. Thomas Edwards SIr that Book which discovereth our generall Gangraena containeth truth which will procure you many enemies it s the fate of Truth But to this end saith our Lord Iohn 18.37 was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should beare witnesse to the truth and so for this Cause are Christians begotten againe by the Word of Truth Everie one that is of the truth should do so espcially such as are his Ministers Revelasse will be superasse I le joyn with one of your adversaries in that alleadged Text. But they shall proced no farther for their folly shall be made manifest to all men as theirs also was 2 Tim. 3 9. I wait for its accomplishment You yea we all must look to suffer for plaine dealing especially now when as truth lieth in the streets and is trampled on by dirty feet when as there are so many adversaries unto it and such an Independent Combination against it The great objection against you is You are too too vehement in your opposition which when I heard I remembred I had read in Luther de servo Arbitrio the same objected to him by old Erasmus The Answer of Luther unto it mee thinkes may well bee ours yours and yeeld us much comfort and encouragement Quod antem vehementius egerim agnosco culpam si culpa est imo testimonium hoc mihi in mundo reddi in causa Des mirificè gaudeo Atque utinam ipse Deus id testimonii in novissimo die confirmaret