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A69735 A new-yeares-gift, or, A brief exhortation to Mr. Thomas Edwards that he may breake off his old sins in the old yeare and begin the new yeare with new fruits of love, first to God, and then to his brethren / by Kathrine Chidley. Chidley, Katherine. 1645 (1645) Wing C3833; ESTC R21712 21,258 29

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matters by your juggling where there is none to resist you nor hold out the light in opposition to your false figures But if they were there they might not be admitted there to opose you nor to use any meanes to undeceive the people But it is an old saying though somewhat grosse that every cocke croweth on his owne miksen and that makes you so bold where you are sure you shall have no oposition But Mr. Edwards now I will counsell you to muster up all your army you bragge of and come forth set up your colours and pitch a field with the Separation bring forth all your strong reasons not only the last conceived your latter thoughts and studies but also your large tractates against the whole way of Separation which were the first conceived of old which you promised in your former booke * for you have brought no argument in your Antipologia against Separation from a false Church and false Ministry but you have challenged all high and low Anabaptists Separatists and Semiseparates c. to bring a ground from Scripture for the lawfulnesse of seperating from a true Church which thing wee never strived for for we know it is utterly unlawfull But this was your policie especially when you preached upon the house top to make the people beleeve that those who seperate from the Church of England seperate from a true Church But this is yours to prove I therfore challenge you now to prove by the Scripture that the Church of England is a true Church and the Ministry thereof a true Ministry and that they have a true outward calling which yet you have not done neither have you brought any argument neither in your former booke nor in this Antipologia that proves your Church and Ministry true And I thinke you dare not deny but that these bee substantialls and not some of your meere circumstances which you would have decided without the word of God * for if the Church be but a circumstance and the calling of the ministry a meere circumstance then you neede not stand so much for it and upon ordination from the Pope for if ever you be true Ministers of Jesus Christ it must be without that and therefore it appeareth to bee you who have ordination by persons that are not ordained and not the Ministers of the Separation for God hath ordained his Church to ordaine their owne Ministers but hath not ordained the Church of England nor the Ministry thereof at all wherefore it appeareth that you can have no true ordination unlesse you become Separate And all your arguments in your former booke tended to the keeping downe of the kingdome and power of Jesus Christ And all the tales which you tell in your Antipologia tend to the defaming of your Brethren as they came from you But as your tales are in themselves many of them turne to the praise of those whom you would defame As for instance you tell us of their humility and that they say that they dare not take upon them to determine all the waies of God For ought I know they doe well for the Prophet David who was not onely a King but a Prophet of God and a man after Gods owne heart thought not himselfe sufficient for that worke of universall determining which you may plainely see in the 119. Psalme where he so often desireth of the Lord to teach him his waies statutes precepts commandements testimonies lawes and to direct him in his word yet David refresh not there but strikes Covenant with God promising that he will run the waies of Gods commandements when hee hath learned them * and also that he would teach others when the Lord had taught him even as you say these men have done for you report that they are active for their way Now if God have made knowne his way to them more fully then he hath done heretofore they ought to be more active for it and as God enlargeth their hearts so to enlarge his praise You tell us of a sort of Anabaptists that would preach on the top of houses because they would imitate the Apostles But have you not now taken their turne for these men as you say even the Apologists with divers others have of late preached not only to the Parliament but also to the people in divers places which you name as Margrets Westminster Michaell Cornewell Mag●es at the bridge foot and Stepney with other places These men I say preaching true doctrine there in the eares of the people you have published it as it were upon the house top for you have put them in print that so we that are Separatists who dare not come to your Church and all the men in England may know it And you have threatned to print them at large * You say their doctrines make for their way and they are active for their way Indeede Mr. Edwards though Gods waies be not as mens waies yet when men make Gods waies their waies they ought to be active for the same for they are the waies of peace the waies of truth and the waies of life and though they are narrow waies because there is no rule leading unto them but the Word of God yet he that is guided by Gods spirit shall bee led into all truth Therefore it is good for you and all persons to labour to be clothed with humility for God hath promised to teach the humble his waies You say there are foure passages in the Apologeticall Narration which are good and usefull amongst so many bad Therefore wee will consider of these which are good usefull amongst those which you say are bad The first being their acknowledgement of the Parliament Herein I conceive they give Caesar his due The second of the Assembly of Divines They did not give them the Title of a Synod nor atribute authority to them to determine for the Church of Christ lawes rites or cerimonies c. For I thinke they did not understand them to have or to be capable of any such power from God for if these had knowne they had assumed it they would not as I thinke have beene of them The third is their taking notice of the miscarriages of the Separatists In this they did very well and made a good use thereof as I may judge from your owne speeches concerning their way and I pray you tell me Mr. Edwards for what end were the miscariages of Gods people written by the direction of Gods spirit but to warne others of the Saints from falling into the like for wherefore did God at any time punish his people for their Sinnes but to recall them back that so he might bee reconciled unto them againe but never to deterre them from his holy waies wherein they walked before or when they practised those miscarriages If Adam should have offered no more sacrifice because Caine fell out with his Brother for offering a