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A88837 The lip of truth opened, against a dawber with untempered morter. A few words against a book, written by Magnus Bine priest, in the county of Sussex, which he calls, The scornful quakers answered, &c. But he himself is found the scorner, and the lyer, charging me with things I never spoke, nor never entered into my heart to speak. / Tho. Lawson. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1656 (1656) Wing L725; Thomason E889_9; ESTC R206504 49,355 60

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art the messenger of Satan who art charging him with inward pride when at the Scripture mentions no such thing And in as much as I said Christ is the end of sin and the end of Condemnation thou revilest me for it and calls it a new phrase like my form and that I grow worse and worse Page 89. Answ What I there said all who are of God will it own and the thing is plain but being of the off spring of Amalek thou must needs brawl and wrangle Dan. 9.24 is it not he that makes and end of sin 1 John 3.5 doth not he by his coming put an end to sin so is the end thereof and here he is known who is without end and 1 Pet. 4.7 the end of all things is at hand the end of all things saith he what is this but Christ if the end of all things then of sin what ground hast thou to wrangle for this saying and if thou knew Christ thou would know him to be the end of condemnation Is not the Law added because of transgression till the Seed who is the end of sin and condemnation which is because of sin Gal. 3.19 and Rom. 8.1 no condemnation to them that are in Christ so see thy folly who wrangles at plain words but remembers not thy own sayes which thou hast no ground of Scripture for as strong Fiat third principle of the elementary world calling the soul a little map of the great world and page 104.107.108 of thy book the most of it is thy own thoughts and imaginations And in as much as I said John wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession to babes young men and fathers then by my own confession thou sayes he wrote to all sorts of Christians to confess sin Page 90. I answer Fain thou would have thy Idols spared all thy dayes and thy green trees not cut down to worship under and stumbling at the Light thou stumbles at the Scriptures and at my words did I write any thing as to give thee a ground to say that babes young men and fathers were sinners so ought to confess sin I said he wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession read without 1 John 1.8 9. thou art blind within and he wrote to children not to sin yet if any c. 1 John 2.1 he wrote to young men and sayes they were strong and the word of God abode in them and they had overcome the wicked one 1 John 2.14 and he wrote to fathers who knew him that was in the beginning and he that abid sin him sins not 1 John 3.6 So here is nothing to be found for thee to uphold sin thy fathers image and saith John he that is born of God sins not he is kept that the wicked one touch him not 1 John 5.18 and no way can thou please thy bewitched hearers more withal than in possessing them that they must live in sin here and have heaven hereafter but know this O you bewitched people that if you live not the life of the righteous you cannot die the death of the righteous if you live not the life of the righteous your latter end cannot be like his so be warned HELL gapes for the wicked Thou sayes There is a natural man and a spiritual man and each one of these have a light and that is the same to it self and in it self but in the natural man it is but reason Romans 1.19 20. Page 96. I answer The light we bear witness to is Christ the true light who lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1.9 which light letteth every man see his evil deeds who be in the evil deeds and is the same in him that hates it as in him that loves it John 3.19 20 21. and thou sayes in the natural man it is but reason prove the light that comes from Christ to be reason shew me a Scripture calling it reason else confess thou speaks thou knows not what as for Rom. 1.19 20 it saith no such thing that the light of Christ in any man is reason he who is given a Covenant to Israel he is given a light to the Gentiles Isaiah 42.6 7. Thou sayes All light it seems is not the same though it come from the same root t is not the same to us in it self it is one and the same but to us it is called natural spiritual reason grace Page 96. I answer What the light is thy dark mind comprehends not because thou art planted in the root that bears bitterness the light is but one even Christ who is the glory of Israel a light to lighten the Gentiles Luke 2 32. and prove it by Scripture where the light is called natural and reason prove thy saying by Scripture else confess thou sayes thou knows not what as for Rom. 2.14 we own but that nature that leads to do the things in the Law contained none know but who receive Christ the Life the Light such partake of the divine Nature 2 Peter 1.4 Thou sayes The first man according to his principle hath a light and life and that flows from the root Christ in him which he sees not for the head of every man is Christ Page 97. I answer Christ is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1 9. but thou that doth evil hates the light as saith the Scriptures so another leads thee and that which thou walks in is darkness though thou may call it light so thy eye must be put out and thy life must thou loose else not know Christ the root the head of every man but thou that doth evil and hates the light art not the man but a beast yet the man of sin he that is not in the truth is a beast and the Serpent is thy head as thy fruits make it manifest selfishness folly covetous practises so the man thou knows not which bruises the Serpents head though much thou can talk Thou sayes This light though low and faint yet teaches man to feel and grope after a God and to worship yet still it is to the unknown God Page 97. I answer This thy faying is full of lies Christ the true light he lighteth every one Jew and Gentile John 1 9. Isaiah 42.6 7. which light who as it loves and obeys it leads into a sensibleness and feeling and in this keeping iniquity is departed from night and darkness and clouds by little and little vanishes and passes away so is Christ formed who is the light and makes known the Father Math. 11 27. John 1.18 Isaiah 42.6 7. the Gentiles have the light to open the prison door and if Christ the light teach not the knowledge of God what is there that can no light we own but Christ who lighteth every one and all that it loves it brings them to seek feel after and find God and nothing but the light can do this Tit. 2.11 12 this is the
come to me except the Father draw him Iohn 6.44 and the same that turns to Christ draws to Christ and this is the Father not the Scriptures and this is not to deny the Scriptures and saith Christ to the Jews who had the Scriptures Search the Scriptures in them ye think to have life they thought so in the mean time persecuted the life Iohn 5.39 40. They testifie but of me saith Christ and ye will not come to me to have life the same that turns to Christ the same draws to Christ this is not the Scriptures but his Father Iohn 6.44 and the Scriptures is for the perfecting of the man of God but the man of sin wrests them therewith to uphold his waies against the man of God Thou saies the Scriptures are a pretious light page 17. Yet all the light that is in them is borrowed from the Son I answer All this is thy words the Scriptures say God is light and Christ is light but where is the Scriptures called a light prove thou that and whereas thou saies all the light that is in them thou tells of light being in the Scriptures I say the light was before the Scriptures were and the light was in them who gave out the Scriptures but that light is in the Scriptures prove thou that or tell me what one of Scriptures hath light in it Thou saies I deny the person of Christ the Mediator page 18. I answer this is a lie for I own one God and one Mediator between God and Men the man Christ Jesus who is the expresse image of the Fathers person Heb. 1.3 Now for the peoples sake whom thou with thy high words deceives shall I make it manifest thou bears the marks of the deceivers that the holy men of God witnessed against and this by plain Scriptures I shall prove though by trading with the Scriptures thou get thy livelyhood two parish Tyth Thou saies I am still dreaming of the light within but if I knew what it were it would not move me to slight the letter the history the blood of Christ without page 19. I answer the light within is pretious and if I had not owned it thy dreams might have gone undiscovered for me but blessed be God who hath caused light to shine out of darkness such as are gone from the light and live in covetous practices as thou confesses thou dost such are out of the right way such are dreamers and the light in me slighteth not the letter as thou further shall see but stay thou calls the letter a history prove it to be so by Scripture what no more to value the Scripture than to call is a history and yet take the Tyth of two Parishes for talking it over to the people and adding thy meanings to it and thou tells of the blood of Christ without oh friend remember when the chief Priests the Elders and the multitude sought to put Christ to death the Tyth takers and Tyth payers sought to put Christ to death who put an end to that Priesthood work and wage who never confirmed it to the twelve nor the seventy nor the Apostles they said his blood be on us and on our Children Matt. 27.25 Verily it is so to this day and his blood we own which cleanseth from all sin this is truth though thou stumble at it even thou who looks to thy own way and looks for gain from thy Quarter even the Tyth of two Parishes which is thy Quarter and this is a true mark of a blind Watchman Isa 56 10 11. Thou saies I deny the person of Christ and his sufferings in the flesh This I answered before herein thou falsly charges me Thou saies I say Christ suffered not onely that suffered which was born of the Virgin page 20. Answ The Lord is my witness who is the just God of Heaven and Earth that I never spoke such a word to thee no nor to any man neither did ever such a thing enter into my heart have not I a just ground to say thy conscience is seared with a hot Iron whose tongue is a sharp sword laying to my charge things I know not be ashamed of thine envy and hard speeches thou who bears rule by the Peoples means which thou calls thy right and property Ier. 5 30 31. A mark of a Deceiver Thou saies I scoffed three or four times at thy saying that the Crosse of Christ is the crucifying suffering and dying in the flesh page 21. Answ This is false to charge me with scoffing the Crosse is that which crucifies to the world Gall. 6.14 But thou who art in covetous practices in selfishness as thou hast given it out in print thou art alive in the world and being in covetous practices thou art an enemy to the Crosse of Christ minding earthly things Phil. 3.18.19 and this is a mark of a Deceiver and Paul wept because of such as thee who lived in covetous practices so were enemies to the Crosse of Christ Again thou art telling me of getting a Pigg and a Duck and bids me ask my conscience where page 23. I answer my conscience bears me witness that I know nothing of this thing but they are Creatures of God and every Creature of God is good and if such were set before me and I eat moderately thereof what unrighteousness is this truly all that are sober minded cannot but judge that if thou wert a Minister of Christ as thou saies thou art thou would have other Messages to the world than to publish therein reproachfully what one with moderation eats of surely though thou pretend gravity yet envy makes the appear very childish and thy sending and publishing abroad such things cannot but cause thee to give a loathsome savour among all the sober minded as if thou had such a peculiar interest and property in Piggs Ducks and Pullen that it is a great crime and fault to deprive thy greedy appetite of such Creatures this I say to thee that if I did eat of that Creature if thou can convince me that therein I trespassed against thee I will acknowledge thee to be my Priest and when I offer an Ox or a Sheep for my trespasse offering thou shall have the Shoulder the two cheeks and the maw for thy due Deut. 8.1 2 3. and other appurtenances if thou require them and till thou convince me that I have committed a crime mind that in thy conscience the Law of equity that thou may see how many Piggs Ducks and Pullen are brought to thy house or to thy brethren the Priests their houses which you pretend a property to and an interest in but from Christ cannot prove it whose Minister thou saies thou art thus much of this thing here thou art answered according to thy folly Prov. 26.5 Thou saies we trample upon the Scriptures and abuse them that speak of the Resurrection Judgment Heaven and Hell after this life and that our fancy meaning and interpretations must be all
even the high Priest Jesus saith he Heb. 8.1 So that he sheweth that Christ the high priest is the sum substance life or end of the things he before told of and what be the things even Tyth in Abrahams dayes Levies dayes Law carnal Commandment c. Heb. 7. chap. and Heb 8.1 and this the truth in none can gainsay Thou saies The man that was with me at thy house said he was Christ pag. 61. I Answer I his is a lye he spoke no such words Thou saies I say I am Christ the Lord who am come to judge the world pag. 62. I Answer This is a lye and by thy lyes thou makes it manifest thou delights in thy fathers work I challenge thee to produce where ever I spoke or wrote such a word or any such like thing to give thee any just ground for this thy Report hatched out of thy wilful mind Thou saies I cry out against Cuffs Gaudiness Rings Hoods Vails and bids me cry against them where I see these things used without modesty pag. 62. I Answer Now thou art come to plead for the Back as I before said he who abode not in the truth his pleading is against the truth and what is wrought in them who abide in the truth Isaiah a Minister of the Spirit he testified against the proud Ones and their needlesse Ornaments which they used to satisfie their wanton minds their bravery c. their round Tires like the Moon their chains bracelets ear-rings rings changeable suits of apparel glasses fine linen hoods vails c. Isa 3. Paul witnessed against broidered hair and not to be adorned in gold pearls costly aray 1 Tim. 2.9 10. So likewise Peter 1. Pet. 3. In the same Spirit we witnesse against all the sought out fashions and inventions of the world which the curious proud fond mind runs a whoring after and all your unneedful attire which is to set up your selves above others and to feed the lust we witnesse against your Cuffs Gold-Rings Gold-Lace Silver-Lace Ribbons and all other unneedful things but the modest cloathing we own and he that was a true Minister he said Fashion not your selves according to the world nor according to the lusts in the time of ignorance 1 Pet. 1.14 Rom. 12.2 but who is more in the worlds fashions then the Priests many whereof waste as much in Ribbons and unnecessary things on one suit of Cloathing as would buy a modest Raiment thus is the Creation which was created to be used in moderation devoured on the lust and in the mean time many crying out of want and thou and they brethren plead for these vanities and devouring wayes and by your example preach them up Oh woful guides are ye now saith Paul be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ 1 Cor. 11.1 and Phil. 3.17 walk as you have us for an example saith Paul who testified against the worlds fashions now if your flocks must walk after the example of their blind leaders then the whole parish must go in their Cuffs Boot-hose-tops Rings costly aray and live in pride idlenesse and fulnesse of bread who then must maintain the Priest and his Family in their pride and idlenesse if that all should follow his example and live like Drones in idlenesse pride foolish and unneedful attire is of the Divel and when the truth in Sons or Daughters arises against these things to bear witnesse he tells people it is but modesty decency or according to their place or breeding thus he seeks to get his works justified and here art thou seeking to justifie what the lust devises gaudy unnecessary attire and saies it is malice or envie which speaks against your pride so sits judge with thy evil thoughts of the Spirit of truth which alwayes testified against the Divel and his works and calls it railing so thou art found out to be one that Solomon spoke of who art justifying the wicked and his inventions and condemning the just which witnesses against your pride and vanities so abomination to the Lord thou art Prov. 17.15 this stands and shall stand a witnesse against thee according to that in thy Conscience Thou sayes There is too much folly and selfishness in the best of you Page 64. I answer T is well that once thou hast spoken the truth in confessing thy folly and selfishness and thy selfishness is highly seen in thy taking the tyth of two Parishes which thou hast been convinced of to be unrighteousness and in words hast declared it and me thou told when I was with thee that thou could not plead for tyth by Scripture but now with the rest of thy dark brethren a●t thou pleading for it and joyning with them thou knows to be the Caterpillars and the Locusts thus thou art getting the friendship of the world and gaping for that thou hast seen to be unrighteousness and thy folly selfishness and covetousness thou confesses Judas confessed who turned to the Priests that took tyth as thou dost and if thou forsake not thou comes no further than Judas which is confession so I leave thee in this thing giving the Reader another mark to know thee by which is self-love a lover of thy self thou art who rather than thou will deny the wages of unrighteousness denies the Lord of life all who take tyth deny Christ who put an end to it so are Antichrists so among the self-lovers thou art which Paul testified against 2 Tim 3 2. Again thou sayes When the Saints spoke how that the bloud of Christ had purged away all their unrighteousness and that they were as Christ in the present world thou sayes they never made use of any of these Scriptures to any other end then to set forth what they were in Gods account and favourable acceptation yet in their flesh they saw no good thing but were conscious of errors and sins page 64 65. and thou all edges Job David and Paul I answer What hast thou to do to meddle with the Saints or their conditions who lives in the abominations as pride folly selfishness and covetous practises as thou confesses such the Saints testified against even against such as thee and the Apostles suffered mockings scornings buffettings stoneings imprisonment yea and some of them death for bearing witness against that Priesthood that took tyth and were covetous and selfish as thou confesses thou art Oh that ever thou should be so seared and past feeling as to tell of Saints of thy self being a Minister of Christ who art in that generation by which the righteous evermore suffered and thou art falsly charging the Saints that they were not so purged nor so clean as they spoke of but for such and such ends they so spoke let all the wise in heart judge what thou knows of the Saints who in another place art calling such Saints as live in rage violence and imagination such David called Heathen Thou sayes The Saints in their flesh saw no good thing and were
and imaginations but thy thoughts and thy fancy as thou calls it and thy imaginations and thy lies and thy slanders thy covetous practises all come out of one seat even the earth which is rejected of God and of all that know God and keep in this crosse but thy practises by Scripture prove where did ever Christ give Davids experiences to the world to sing in Meeter where did the Apostles give Davids conditions to the world to sing in Meeter who were to teach people to observe all that Christ commanded them where did any of the gathered Churches use Meeter singing but thy flock would have it and thou arts a man-pleaser for thy two parish Tyth sake and Sternhold and Hopkins their invention of Meeter singing is become a dainty dish for Dives and with the same mind that you will lye cozen covet jeer and scorn with the same mind you will offer up Sternhold and Hopkins invention to the living God and this is part of your will worship and worse and worse thou grows for against this invention thou hast witnessed but for thy Idols sake thou wilt give Dives all his dainties thy blind hearers their customs and that 's the way to make thy covenant strong with them but it is but with death and hell and wo is the end of it but the singing with the Spirit we own the singing of the Ransomed we own but in the Pit and Grave you are and thou makes them erre Thou saies There 's the Appetite and that 's the seat of desires lustings and longings after things whether good or evil page 108. I answer Thou art again in the Ranters line and would perswade people that all desires lustings and longings after things whether good or evil comes out of one seat Oh that ever England who hath been so crowned with the Mercies of the Lord should be led with such enchanters as thee Surely surely as they come out of the pit which you and they are faln into they cannot but cry out We have trusted in lying Prophets and we have given our mony for that which is not bread thou art in the flesh where thy lustings and longings after evil is and that is thy seat but Christ is the light of the world who lighteth every one that cometh into the world Joh. 1.9 and this light who owns desires are begot after the good and to escape the evil without me you can do nothing saith Christ and this I leave with thee to prove that all desires lustings and longings after things whether good or evil come out of one seat and that is Appetite Again thou makes a long Rabble and tells of the reason will the seat of doing good or evil fancy the seat of thoughts and imaginations and of the appetite the seat of lusting and longing after things whether good or evil c and when the Lord comes thou saies all these are healed and made well and they are all brought into the life of God page 108. I answer O friends consider these his sayings and blasphemous speeches who is telling of healing the will the fancy the thoughts and imagination the appetite the lusting and longing after good or evil and of bringing them into the life of God when as no unclean thing can dwell with him surely he imagins God to have a heart like his own else he would never publish it of bringing the very spring of evil thoughts and imaginations lustings after evil all into the life of God Surely you that are his Hearers except you be seared and past feeling as he is you cannot read these wicked blasphemous speeches but tremble and be ashamed and know this that if you receive these things for truth you are given up to believe lyes and that is a woful judgement Thou bids me take thy thoughts of heaven and hell and use them at my pleasure page 109. I answer thy thoughts are altogether vain and thy words blasphemous so therewith heaven thou must not enter and the lake the deceiver must go into and the deceived who set up thy thoughts but them I deny and thee also Thou saies Among the Saints there is a great variety of opinions and judgments concerning the binding and loosing of Satan page 111. I answer This is a lie the Saints in light grow up in the life where Sects Schisms Heresies and divers Opinions be not here the one heart mind and soul is known here the Angel the great Chain is known and the binding of Satan is rightly known but thou and them thou cals Saints live in rage imaginations and violence so are Heathen so one cries up one thing and another the contrary and the many Opinions among you is found and such vain talkers as thou and thy raging imagining Saints as thou cals them are wrangling about the binding of Satan without you how it shall be and when it shall be in the mean time he is loose within you some rage violence imaginations blasphemous speeches covetous practises variety of opinions but we know the Kingdom which is not divided where rage violence diversity of opinions and covetous persons come not so we witness against you and your Kingdom which is divided where the many Sects Opinions Heresies and Blasphemies are hatched and brought forth Thou sayes The Saints live upon God in the Scriptures Page 117. I answer This is another lie and all that know where the Tabernacle of God is they will bring in their testimony against thee who sayes God is in the Scriptures this is all thou knows of him or where he is the Scriptures say God is in his Son in his Saints in his Throne in his Temple in his holy Hill in Immortality but it saith not that he is in the Scriptures neither that the Scriptures is his Son Saints Throne Temple holy Hill nor Immortality so prove what thou hast said and what the Saints seed on no covetous selfish earthly mind doth know such feed on swines flesh Cockatrice eggs this is thy feeding so read the Scriptures and tell me what Scripture hath God in it so by thy words he that hath the Scriptures hath God he that can buy a Bible as it is called may buy God also for God is in the Scriptures thou sayes Again thou sayes Plain light is written in the Scriptures Page 118. I answer This is another lie the light is but one Christ Emanuel God with us who said all mine are thine and thine a●e mine and I am glorified in them John 17.10 in them saith Christ the light but that light is in the Scriptures this thou art to prove but the many lies thou vomits up out of the bottomless pit makes it manifest the Devil is raised in thee according to thy own words who told Humphrey Killingbank that I had abused thee in writing to thee so I had raised the Devil in thee it appears he is high risen in thee who is a lyar from the beginning so art publishing