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A93576 The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse. Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1657 (1657) Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852 26,539 40

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to the Lord then the cutting of a Dogs neck Isa 66.3 or offering Swines blood so long as thou art not justified by Faith therefore give over Divining for money and Preaching for hire and let all fl●sh be silent before the Lord for he that exalteth himself will the Lord a base and bring down that no flesh may glory in his presence Fulw. But let me proceed to demand of you satisfaction in one thing Pray how do you prove the Ministers of England preach an other Gospel then Paul preached for that was one of your marks of the false Prophets Answ I own and have union with the Ministers of England and elswhere that declare freely unto others that which they have heard and seen tasted and bandled of the Word of Life 1 John 1.1 which they have received neither of man nor by man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ and I have nothing to say against them But if either thou or any other man in England or an Angel from Heaven preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle preached let him be accursed Fulw. I receive the Gospel from Paul as the Galatians did even from the same writings of Paul Ans Even as Paul said to the Galatians so say I to them who believes thy testimony O foolish people and unwise I who hath bewitched you to believe such a lying spirit or to own such a one for your Minister Is it a like thing that Fra-Fulwood could receive the Gospel from Paul as the Galatians did It s manifest that Paul had preached the Gospel to the Galatians before he wrote that Epistle to them from Rome and the Galatians had also received it before that Epistle was written And these writings are not called the Gospel which he saith he received the Gospel from and if they were he is found but one of them that steal the Word from his neighbor and from another mans writings So it is but death and destruction that speaks of the same and therefore receive no such into your houses neither bid them God speed least you also be partakers with them in their evil deeds for all such filthy dreamers and men of corrupt mindes are sure to have their portion with Jannes and Jambres and their Forefathers and Brethren in iniquity Corah Dathan and Abiram although by this craft they prosper for a while and get much wealth which is but the wages of unrighteousness Fulw. Come come Sir you have told us That what you delivered you have by revelation from Heaven wherein I tell you you blaspheme the Lord you have said to the people That the false Prophets meaning us in the Ministery deny the light that is in all men Ans It is not blasphemy to declare what I have received by revelation from Heaven but it is blasphemy for false Prophets to call themselves Christs Ministers For me to declare against false Prophets as I am moved of the Lord is neither blasphemy nor railing discourse as thou accountest it and in as much as thou deniest the sufficiency of the light to lead to salvation or eternally to condemn thou maist apply it to thy self to be one of those false Prophets that rebels against the light Job 24.13 whose pernitious ways many have followed by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of for thou sayest the light spoken of in the Scripture will be found to be onely common and not saving Here the nature and operation of the light is by thee denied and the Scripture perverted and with the light that never changes art thou comprehended judged and condemned Christ saith John 8.12 I am the light of the world and he that follows me shall not abide in darkness but shall have the light of life And Christs Ministers bear testimony to the same light and this is the condemnation That light is come into the world and men loves darkness rather then light because their deeds are evil For whatsoever is reproved is first made manifest by the light and whatsoever makes manifest is light Ephesians chap. 5. And his light turned to believed in loved and obeyed is sufficient to lead to salvation And for this purpose were Christs Ministers sent forth as sheep among wolves to turn men from the darkness to the light that shined in the darkness which their dark understandings did not comprehend before they heard Preachers that were sent and of this light I am a witness and this is the Message I have to declare That God is light and in him is no darkness at all in him was life and his life was the light of men And this is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world The Law of God also is called a light Prov. 6 23. and the Commandment a Lamp and the Word of God is a Light and a Lanthorn and his Covenant a light as it s written Behold I will keep thee and give thee for a Covenant of the people for a light to the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation to the ends of the earth Christ Jesus is this light as it is written Lord now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace according to thy Word for mine eyes have seen thy salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of all people a light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of thy people Israel and in vain is salvation hoped for from the mountains and from the hills for upon him that is mighty is salvation laid who saith Look unto me and be saved all ye ends of the Earth Fulw. There is no means sufficient to salvation but what Scripture asserts to be so but we do not finde in Scripture that the light is sufficient to convince of sin if improved if it be shew it Answ The grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men and this grace is sufficient 2 Cor. 12.9 And the Scripture declares there is no other name given under Heaven whereby men can be saved 2 Cor. 4.6 but by the name of Jesus who saith I am the light and God who commanded light to shine out of darkness bath also shined into our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ And we have this treasure in Earthen Vessels since it hath pleased the Father to reveal his Son in us unto whom he hath freely made known what is the glory of the Mystery that hath been hid from ages and gene●ations Christ in us the hope of glory 1 Col. 27. in whom is life and this life is our light and this light is within for that which may be known of God is manifest within But this is a mystery to you whose wisdom is earthy and your understandings darkned and unto such is our Gospel hid whose mindes the God of this world hath blinded among whom we have had our conversation in times past But our light is come
least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Answ Let him that nameth the name of the Lord depart from iniquity for none calls Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost What have you to do to take his name into your mouths and thus bend your tongues for lies and hate to be reformed upon you that are asleep will the day of the Lord come as a theif in the night even as sudden destruction from the Almighty Therefore arise and be awakened and prepare to meet the Lord by repentance that if peradventure the thoughts of your hearts may be forgiven you For the Lord hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ and with equity will he plead the cause of the innocent against whom you make war and shoot your arrows in secret fear and tremble weep and howl for the misery that is coming upon you in flames of fire will God render vengeance upon his adversaries out of Heaven will he thunder upon them and they shall be even broken to peeces as the Vessel of a Potter is broken with a rod of Iron In vain do ye pot-sheards of the Earth strive to set Bryers and Thorns in battle your formed weapons cannot prosper a consumption is even determined upon the whole Earth and every mans work is to be tried by fire that the approved of God may be made manifest Can ye contend with the Almighty before whom all Nations are as the drop of a Bucket or as the small dust of the ballance Give over stop your mouths let all flesh be silent before the Lord. Come down and sit in the dust you that are high and lifted up and meet the Judge by the way Kiss the Son least he be angry and lay down your Crown at the feet of the Lamb and let the Lord be your fear and let him be your dreads and let the light of Christ in your consciences try your words and works and cease from your blinde Leaders that have used their tongues and not profited the people And while you have the light believe in the light and know while the Spirit of the Lord strives with you resist not his power lest your Bonds be made strong and you for ever shut up in utter darkness A price is put into your hands the Lord will not the death of a sinner the times of ignorance God winked at but now he calls all men every where to repent Call not this the railing discourse but take it as a Call to you and a warning from the Lord by a servant of the Truth made willing by the power of God to follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth Thomas Salthouse Francis Fulwood TO the substance of what passed between thee and me in the discourse upon the Four and twentieth day of the Eight Moneth 1656. in the house of Henry Pollexphen which its like thou wast not unacquainted with the Printing of if no the cheifest actor I shall return something in Answer for the Truth 's vindication especially to the particulars of most concernment which I call to minde since I saw this Relation As first After I had spoken to the people that day as I was moved and directed by the Spirit of Truth then a Friend of mine being moved also stood up according to the order in the Churches of the Saints and spoke to the people then present to whom I gave liberty the spirits of the Prophets being made subject to the Prophets And as thou mayest remember thy first Objection was against her for saying Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures The second thing was a Quere by me propounded to thee which I yet received no satisfactory Answer unto from thee The third thing was an Objection made by thee against me for expressing as I was declaring to the people That those who are out of the Doctrine of Christ as they were then described by their fruirs and marks were such as Preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle had preached and so under the curse as it is written Gal 1. The fourth thing was about the light spoken of in Johns Declaration and something concerning Tithes Fifthly Concerning Baptism and the words thee and thou which many are offended at as they are and were given and taken by the servants of God one to another as we read in the Scriptures of Truth To these things in order as God doth direct I shall for the truths sake answer and as for the other passages in the Relation not worth the taking notice of or repeating over again I shall let them stand and wither as an untimely birth begotten by one of the adulterate generation and brought forth of the womb of consusion I might have written down a gross sum of lies but it feems the Authors were pricked at the heart when they saw what they had done and so to hide themselves have concealed their names from the visible eye of man But this Cave of earthly subtilty will not long hide them from the All-seeing eye of him with whom we have to do If thou be one of their confederacy fear and tremble before the Lord and come forth to the Light that thou mayst be proved and tried and be not thou called of men Master but learn of Jesus Christ to be meek and lowly take up his Cross and follow him and side not longer with the Chief Priests against him and his Ministers whom he hath sent forth as sheep among wolves to reprove sin in the Gates and to preach Repentance that people may be turned from the darkness to the light and from under Satans power unto God who hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel To the first of these particulars I shall proceed Thy first Objection which the Book also mentions against the Woman is as follows Fulwood I Have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture She told us that Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Answ The Scripture is plain for what she intended John 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternal life and they are they that testifie of me saith Christ But ye will not come unto me that you may have life And again he saith I am the Way the Truth and the Life and he that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life although he may have the Scriptures 2 Cor. 4.10 For the Minister of Christ waited for and witnessed the life of Christ manifested in his mortal Body and travailed again in birth with others till Christ the Life was formed in them I in them and they in me saith Christ John 17. And Christ in you the Hope