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A54193	Plain-dealing with a traducing Anabaptist, or, Three letters writ upon occasion of some slanderous reflections given and promoted against William Penn by one John Morse published for common benefit that all impartial people may be better acquainted with the invective spirit of some so called, and their ungodly sly way of defaming such as dissents from them, especially in their restless indeavours against the poor Quakers / by W.P.	Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Morse, John, 17th cent.	1672 (1672)	Wing P1339; ESTC R25028	10,409	19

And to this 9th Chapter to the Romans the Intendment whereof borders not in the least upon that Ungodly Fancy of Personal Election I shall sum up the whole of both sides thus W. Penn's Faith 1. I believe God hath given unto all men sufficient of his Light Spirit or Grace which Obeyed will lead to Blessedness because God would otherwise exhort men to what he should not have given them Power to do which is unworthy of his Righteousness 2. I believe That God hardens no man to Sin till man has first hardened himself against God by Sin or that Sin goes before Hardening J. Morse his Faith 1. I believe That God requires all men to hear and obey or that all have the Gospel tendered yet deny that all have Grace sufficient to embrace it or to live up to it so as to be saved for God may bid Man believe and be saved not give him Power to do so 2. I believe That God raises up men and hardens them on purpose to Glorifie himself in their Destruction not considering Sin as the main and provocative Cause to that Hardening and Destruction Upon the whole I leave it with God and his Witness in every Conscience whether it be William Penn or John Morse that hath writ Error Contradiction and Blasphemy against God Scripture and Sound Reason So truly desiring thy better Information in these weighty Matters that knowing the Truth thou mayst obey it and be saved for God would not that any man should be damned but that all should come to the Knowledge of the Truth and be saved I remain Thy Well-Wisher and all mens W.P. An Account of some Discourse betwixt one Sarah Lane Quaker and John Morse Anabaptist for the clearing the Truth his Relation abuses with Forgery S.L. IOhn Morse we are to have a Meeting to day and I had a desire thou shouldst know of it J.M. I have heard your Friends formerly they deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God S.L. We own them to be the words of God given forth by the Spirit of God and a Declaration of the Mind and Will of God but the Word it self is God Read the first of John and there thou wilt find That the Word was in the Beginning and all things were made by it which cannot be said of the Scriptures J.M. But you disown Baptism S.L. What Force is there in it J.M. There is little in it only an outward Ordinance that we must do till Christ come S.L. Dost thou look for Christ to come again J.M. As for that we must leave it and not presume too far S.L. I do witness him Spiritually come and such as are come to the Substance wants them not But if there be little in the Ordinances as thou sayst what great need is there of doing them Christ came not to continue but to put an End to Types and Figures And for Water-Baptism many of us have had it and been among you that use it and we that did so are come further to see beyond that to the Inward Baptism which is the Substance that ends the outward J.M. The Scripture tells us it is an Ordinance S.L. Dost thou own two Baptisms to continue contrary to Scripture John said He should Decrease that Baptiz'd with Water and that Christ should Increase who was to Baptize with the Holy Ghost and with Fire J.M. But you own the Light to be in every man and Woman S.L. I own and confess that Christ has enlightened every Man and Woman J.M. What Christ the Fulness to be in every Man and Woman S.L. No not Christ's Fulness but a measure of his Light is given to Every one J.M. Every one what has every man a measure S.L. Yes J.M. What then is the Reason that Drunkards and Lewd People live in their Wickedness if they have that Light S.L. The Reason is because they do not obey it there is something in them that shows them their Sin when they have done amiss and reproves them for they will say Lord forgive them or the like that must needs be good that shows them when they have done what they ought not to do J.M. I confess there is something that does show men Sin but it is not sufficient S.L. It is sufficient if it be obeyed but God said His Spirit should not always strive with man yet every man has a Day or a Time to be tryed if they rebel and won't obey God then gives them over From this he fell to Curious and Unnecessary Questions As the Devil did about the Body of Moses so did he about the Body of Christ But this he insisted on mostly the second time J.M. What was that which appeared to the Disciples when the Windows and Doors were shut was it Flesh or Spirit S.L. Spirit J.M. Christ himself said he had Flesh and Bones when they doubted thinking he might be a Spirit But tell me what became of the Body of Christ S.L. I shall not meddle further with such Matters nor run into things which I have no certain Knowledg of neither would I have given thee that Advantage by my simple Answer if I had been aware of thee And if I have replyed unadvisedly that is nothing to our Friends J.M. But Light was that which lead you into this Mistake S.L. The Light never leads into any thing that is wrong Reader THis is the very Truth of the matter which I the rather add that what Advantage he may think to have gain'd and his Boast of it may receive some Allay by a plain and true Relation of the whole so far as could be remembred Of what force then her mistake is against the Light is to be Learn'd from her own Ingenuous Confession and if John Morse were Candid he would have laid the blame where it was proper and not have charg'd it upon the Light within And indeed if we Consider first that Christ's coming in the Doors being shut is not mentioned in that Scripture Luke 24.38 39. as cited by him but in Joh. 20.19 26. 2ly That he was not there without his Spirit 3ly Were it not unjust to say the Light in the Disciples grosly erred when they supposed they had seen a Spirit Luke 24.37 4ly That it was a Foolish and Unnecessary Question on his part 5ly That he took base Advantage of it 6ly That the Maid so particularly Clear'd the Light from leading her into any the least Mistake 7ly That I could ask him ten Questions for his one he put to her of the like abstruse and obscure Matters that I have cause to believe he is wholy ignorant of the Knowledge of them not necessary to Salvation I say considering these Particulars and that all arose from her loving Invitation of him to a Meeting I cannot see but he is far more Condemnable then the Maid and I believe the Light in every unprejudiced Conscience will say the same This was my Postscript to my Letter to him which ends these present Letters IT comes into my Mind to express thus much farther concerning the Lass that the Simplicity of her Answer is to be excused far sooner then thy Vn-Christian and Vn-Charitable Spirit that lay in wait to betray and if such watchings for Evil be uncondemned of thy Religion I pronounce it Anti-Christian and Devilish and that in the Name of the Lord And as for our Light thou shalt never be justified whilst that condemns thee and if it be insufficient as to thee it is because thou never yet didst give up thy self to the Holy Conduct thereof but unworthily disparages that which I can make appear thou livest not up to Repent therefore and be Baptized of Fire which consumes the Thorns and Briars with which you Water-Baptists scratch and rend at us and know a purging from dead Works in the Name of the Lord or thou and they of thy Spirit will be utterly lost in the day of the Lord. THE END Reader he is not ingenuous in his Account Spirit of Truth Vindicated pag. 21 22. His Charge * Whom thou hast deceitfully and obscurely indeavoured to Ensnare That is such as shut Believers from the Guidance of God's Spirit It is not theirs by the Adaption of believing Spir. of Truth Vindicat p. 71. Ezek. 18. Joh. 3. vers 16. Rom. 9. Chap. 5.2.3 Chap. 9.34

Plain-Dealing With a Traducing ANABAPTIST Or Three LETTERS VVrit upon occasion of some Slanderous Reflections given and promoted against William Penn by one John Morse Published for Common Benefit that all Impartial People may be better acquainted with the Invective Spirit of some so called and their ungodly fly way of Defaming such as dissent from them especially in their Restless Indeavours against the Poor QUAKERS By a Lover of Charity and Sincerity in all W.P. Printed in the Year 1672. Reader WIth what regret of spirit I behold the Controversies of our Time and how Unpleasant it is to me to be concern'd therein God he is Witness And I think it cannot reasonably be hard for any to believe me when meer Reputation would forbid a man to subject his Religion or Good Name to the Folly and Malice of every inconsiderable Wrangler But so intollerable are many Separatists and of them some Anabaptists in their Lyes Slanders Traducings and what not which may proceed from Wrath and Envy that lest some of the Dirt they throw should stick we are necessitated to that Defence we neither think the Truth otherwise wants nor our Adversaries could deserve at our hands and least of all the man concern'd in these Letters But we have the less reason I confess to expect good Quarter from him who denies it to his Church-Sister or doubt that he should slyly suggest Evil against us who basely goes to Law with her and that before those who by his own Principles he accounts Unblievers Only we cannot but think it a strange Use that these men make of Tolleration to persecute by Revilings those that have most suffered for want of it as if they would walk Antipodes to the Government For whilst that persecuted they seem'd to pitty us but now that tollerates they appear to envy us What do they think it a Blemish to Tolleration That any should be quiet but themselves and therefore will continue that as justifiable in them which they accounted condemnable in the Powers But this notably shows their spirit who thus adventure to persecute without Power Let who will believe they would not do it if they had power for my own part I declare my self none of that number and think it the best way both to wish and lawfully endeavour they may neuer have any to try Reader I have nothing farther to say in this Epistle but that the Person herein concern'd unworthily reflecting upon me for something in a Discourse I lately publisht against the close but faint Endeavours of a vizarded Socinian as that I was an Erroneous and Blasphemous Person terms the most hateful to a Christian Man I writ him as in Conscience oblieg'd a kind of Challenge to make it good which he vainly endeavour'd by his Answer as my Reply will further manifest Perhaps their Publication may be seasonable if not to some of their own way for which I greatly hope at least to others and I am confident to all who cordially love Truth Righteousness and Peace above charging God with Hardness and impeaching that People as Erroneous which most vigorously believe and assert the Universality of his Rectitude and Mercy W.P. John Morse UNderstanding that thou hast made use of my Name to so evil a purpose as to charge upon it Error if not Blasphemy upon occasion of a Book lately writ by me in Defence of the Light and Divinity of Christ and not being unwilling to have such Reflections past unexamin'd These are to let thee know that I expect thy Proof if any thou hast that if it be true I may take Shame to my self in the ingenuous Acknowledgment of my Fault or else that thou dost confess thou hast unworthily traduc'd me Rickmansworth the 25th of the 10th Moneth 1672. Great is the Truth and it shall prevail I am therein a Friend to thee and all men W.P. In Answer to which he sent me the following Letter so writ and phrais'd verbatim William Penn IN Answer to a Letter thee sents me I shall acquaint thee how I came to speak of thee and to have thy Book A Friend of thine came to invite me to a Meeting of yours I asked her What moved her to invite me She said the Light in her I asked her What that Light was She told me It was Christ and that the same Light was in me and in every Man and Woman and if obeyed by me was sufficient to save me I asked her What was that that came into the Room when the Disciples were met together the Doors being shut She told me It was a Spirit I asked her How she knew it was a Spirit she told me The Light Christ in her told her so I asked her Whether I should believe the Light she said was Christ or Christ's own words as thou mayst see in the 24th of Luke verse the 38 39. Christ said A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as yo see me have I shewed to her how grosly the Light in her had erred therefore it could not be Christ for Christ cannot err I might be larger herein but shall forbear After this thy Friend brought me thy Book to read and when perused it returned it again and did say there was Error in it and that thou Contradicts thy self in that Book see page 21. where thou sayst That if God's Unerring Spirit only enables men to walk in his Statues and keep his Judgments to do them then since all are required to walk therein none are exempted from a sufficient measure of that Unerring Spirit in order to it And page 22. or thus If without having the Spirit none can have Prophesie and Vision and both to be and to continue in Christ's Church universally then it will naturally follow that she cannot be without that Unerring Spirit and that such as are cannot in that state be Members of the true Church then consequently thou sayst Hereticks Page 25. thou sayst The World cannot receive the Spirit of Truth Again Page 34. Jude 19 20. These be they who separate themselves sensual having not the Spirit First thou sayst no man is exempted from a sufficient measure of the Vnerring Spirit and after thou sayst Hereticks and Sensualists have it not nor the World cannot receive the Spirit this judge is Error and Contradicting of thy self See also page 71. where thou chargest God Foolishly compare Romans 9. verse the 17 18 19 20 21 22. Nay but O Man who art thou that replyest against God Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it Why hast thou made me thus hath not the Potter power over the Clay of the same Lump to make one Vessel unto Honour and another unto Dishonour I hope these few Lines although brokenly pend may prevail with thee whereby thou mayst ingeniously acknowledge thy Error and God shall have the Glory Farewel Wattford the 4th of the 11th Moneth 1672. John Morse To which I make this Reply Rickmansworth the 9th of the 11th Moneth