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A86482	Certain queres modestly (though plainly) propounded to such as affect the congregational-way, and specially to Master Samuel Eaton and Mr. Timothy Taylor. With an epistle also directed to them concerning their late book intituled A defence of sundry positions, &c. / By Richard Hollingworth, Mancuniensis.	Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656.	1646 (1646)	Wing H2488; Thomason E316_16; ESTC R200531; ESTC R233855	20,720	31

chiefly so that no Christians though never so syncere and holy have Christ for their King except they be Church-members and also within the Congregational Covenant or at least none so much as they And if it be not so applied in Scripture do not they wrong Christ his Kingdom and people that presume so to apply it Did not New England-men well and warrantably when their hopes began to languish of reducing the erroneous by private means or by preaching and conference to hold an Assembly of the Churches for discovery and confutation of them Had the General Court Civil in New-England a lawful power when Opinions grew on and experience discovered the danger to make a Law that Churches should not be set up in N. E. without the consent of the Magistrates and Churches there And hath not the Civil power in Old England from whence theirs is derived seeing the Word of God doth not alter with Climates the same power when there is the same or greater occasion And ought not obedience by yeelded here as well as there Would not they that now plead for Liberty of Conscience and Toleration in the Kingdom were they able to root out Presbyterians and their Way and could Civil Authority enclinable to put forth coercive power against it tell the Magistrate that he might if not he ought represse it with a strong hand at least under the notion of being prejudicial to the Civil peace if it could not otherwise be suppressed Did not the Magistrates of N. E. when they saw that neither preaching conference nor Assembly of the Churches did work the cure of their Distractions but the erroneous went on in their former course not onely to disturb the Churches but miserably also to interrupt the Civil Peace to convent them and to disfranchise some fine others and banish others Is it true or no that sundry speak and some write that our N.E. Brethren would not tolerate a few Presbyterians notwithstanding the now-pretended smalnesse of the difference which were persecuted for Nonconformity in any corner of their Countrey no not so much as in that which was next to the Barbarians Whether they which hold Episcopal Government to be Antichristian Babylonish to be destroyed by fire and sword and also Presbyterian Government to be Antichristian as bad or worse then Episcopal be not bound by their principles to root out Presbyterial Government and the resolute abbettors of it with fire and sword if they can get ability and opportunity for such a designe Whether they which have solemnly sworn to endeavour the Reformation of Religion in Doctrine Discipline Worship and Government according to the Word of God and the example of the best Reformed Churches and to endeavour the Vniformity of the Churches in the three Kingdoms and the extirpation of Popery Prelacy Superstition Heresie Schisin c. as all Parliament men the Assembly and the best affected in the Kingdom have done can with good conscience allow or tolerate Popery Prelacy Superstition Herefie Schism and why may they not for any obligation lying upon them by this Covenant tolerate Popery Prelacy and Superstition as well as Heresie and Schism Whether the Parliament can perform those promises they have made in the first Remonstrance and since wherein the Kingdom hath much confided If they loose the golden reins of Discipline and leave private men or particular Congregations to take up what form of Divine Service they please without requiring conformity to that Order which the Laws enjoyn according to Gods Word Have our Brethren expressed all their present opinions and desires or kept some for a reserve and what may be the reason of such a reserve Are they fully perswaded in their own mindes of the truth of all that which they expresse themselves to hold or onely take them up for the present waiting for further light May not the presbyterian-Presbyterian-Way for ought they certainly know howbeit they at present think not so be the Way of God and most agreeable to his Word And have not expressions to this purpose proceeded from their Tongues or Pens FINIS

CERTAIN QUERES Modestly though plainly Propounded to such as affect the Congregational-way And specially To Master Samuel Eaton and Mr. Timothy Taylor WITH AN EPISTLE Also directed to them Concerning their late Book Intituled A Defence of sundry Positions c. BY Richard Hollinworth Mancuniensis You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left Deut. 5. If they speak not according to this Word it is because there is no light in them Isai 8.20 If the light that is in thee be darknesse how great is that darknesse Matth. 6. London Printed by Ruth Raworth for Luke Fawn and are to be sold at the signe of the Parrot in Pauls Church-yard 1646. THE EPISTLE Reverend and beloved Brethren I Have perused your defence lately Printed which how able or unable to justifie Independency or to vindicate the Positions and Scriptures time may discover At present I have these few things to advertise you of First you charge me with provoking you to be my Antagonists in Print a In the Epistle from which I was so far that when others rather then my self thought fit the Examination of sundry Scriptures c. which for the most part was an Answer to some Allegations as they were privately made to me for satisfaction should be Printed I gave special charge that neither my own name nor the name of Manchester much lesse the name of other persons and places should be inserted at length in or before the Book though some few Copies came out otherwise lest I should seem either to provoke persons or reveal secrets The deep and heavy charge as you call it b in the first part of my Preface against misinterpretation of Scripture as a belying of God counterfeiting the King of Kings hand c. Though I now see how I have sped I repent not of nor see I cause why you should repine at it or complain of it if you have clearly manifested as in your Title page you say you have the Positions and Scriptures alleaged for your Church-way and by me examined to be sufficient pertinent and full of power And yet I finde my self deeply and heavily charged by you To deprave places to blot and blur sweet humble spirited holy pertinent expressions to wrong the Elders of N. E. to wrest allegations c. Yea though I said I will not tell you who said All the Church is holy ye take too much upon you Yet you think it not unworthy my serious consideration Whether it might not be said to me as sometimes Christ said to one of the twelve when he asked Master Is it I and he answered Thou hast said c Psa 85.15 a bitter personal invective What is your beloved brother your good brother as a Judas or Corah Dathan c I hope in this to say no more we neither are nor shall be Brethren and desire an humble modest Christian Contestation with you which are in your own phrase my Antagonists in Print in this grave controversie and withall calmly to consider what I spake in relation to your cause not to any person whether investing non-Elders with Ministerial power placing Church power in the body of the Congregation and complaining of the Elders that rule over them in the Lord for taking too much upon them be not the gain-saying of Corah a sin of the new as well as of the old Testament Whereof if I be guilty I justly bear this reproach if not you have much wronged me but God hath sent you to do it from whom I deserve much worse though not from you any evil The usual occasion of your censures of depraving places c. is a wide I hope not a willing mistake in you and not any iniquity in my hands or heart You expect the Positions and Scriptures alleaged to agree fully and exactly with the places cited in the Margent which I neither professed nor intended nor could effect without some in mine opinion unfitting alterations of them as they were alleaged to me But on the contrary for evidence that I followed another rule then the Printed Books as at the first coming out of my Book I advertised one of your Brethren I sometimes alleaged no Book at all even where you know I might as Pos 4. Other times that by comparing Arguments that otherwise came to hand with the Printed Books I might probably intimate from whence they were taken and also evidence the truth of what I said in my Preface That Independency for the most part produceth the same Texts in Print which she did in Preaching Writing and Conference I alleaged Printed Books the By-standers mentioned in the Preface with these or the like clauses See your own Defence p. 1 13 14 46 78 90. See almost the same Argument verbatim The like you have This though not so fully This seems to be taken out of These Scriptures are alleaged though not with such tartnesse c. And sometimes I alleaged for one Position the second for example two or three Printed Books differing possibly more then in phrase one from another which are so evident signes that I tyed not my self to the Printed Books that I cannot but wonder that you did not observe it which had you done you needed not to have fought so earnestly and frequently with your own fiction for if it be acknowledged that the Scriptures alleaged witnesse no such thing as they are produced for whether they be in Printed Books or no I as I told you in my Preface have my full end You have also either to bring an odium upon me or the cause I plead sprinkled here and there both unlovingly and unnecessarily some secret intimations of affecting Prelacy whereas I in the worst times was not so much or no more Prelatical then the greatest and godliest Independents in the Kingdom if not at least one of you have been though what ever I was or am that is no Answer to my Arguments nor do I plead the cause of Prelacy which we have Covenanted to endeavour to the utmost to extirpate But of the Government of the Reformed Churches which we have Covenanted to defend against the common enemy maintained by godly learned men our betters known opposers of Prelacy which have obtained a good report in Manchester and the parts about it viz. Master Burn of Manchester Master Gosnol of Boulton Master Fleetwood of Wigan both Master Midsley's of Rachdal Master Storer of Stockport Master Hildersham of Ashby Master Herring of Shrowesbury Master Ball of Whitmore Master John Paget to omit his Brother Master Thomas Paget and multitudes of others now alive Master Hunt of Oldham Master Rathband of Cockey Master Gee of Newton Master ●ilecoat of Stretford c. Nor is the Presbyterian-way a Prelatical-way but a Social-way as between Friends Colleagues Confederates Brethren where all judge and all are judged all things done communi consilio where no Congregation is above another Congregation no Minister above another Minister though the major part

to be submitted to then if they were plainly professed and practised as Institutions of the Church Was not Episcopacy the worse when Jus Divinum was stamped on it Whether profession and practice of humane inventions as a part of Gods Worship or as essential to a Church a Minister or Church-Member was not formerly esteemed and asserted to be and is it not still Antichristian impiety and much liker to procure Gods judgements on the Kingdom then the discovery confutation and opposition of them Whether they which in opposition to Presbyterial Government the Government of the most and best Reformed Churches make Disturbance Divisions Separations pretending their way is the Scriptural-way the onely way must not have as clear yea more clear Scriptures for their way then the other or else be justly accounted enemies to Truth and Peace Doth the Scripture require the new Constitution of any true Churches such as the Reformed Churches are confessed to be and which already by your confession have the essence of Constitution and where doth it require it May not the said Churches be fully reformed according to Gods Word without a new Constitution Doth the Scripture use the phrase gathering the Church in the sense that you use it for the first Constitution or Coalition of a Church By what name or names is thè said Church Constitution so much urged upon tender consciences called in Scripture Did the Apostles or Ministers in those dayes teach or practise to gather or separate one part of this true Church of the Jewish Church I speak not which was then by Gods Commandment to be dissolved and another part of that yea persons which themselves converted not to make out of them all a purer Church Did they sever the godly into bodies distinct from others of the same place professing the same Religion Is it not the Scriptural-way of purging a corrupt Church to cast out the grossest offenders first as the Church of Corinth in which were many Schismatikes Heretikes Fornicators Drunken Communicants was advised to cast out the incestuous person that others may hear and fear c. And so in case of Heresie and Errour Gal. 5. and 6. First the Seducers were to be cut off and they that were overtaken with a fault to be restored with the spirit of meeknesse Doth not the setting up of a Church in a Church and extracting the one out of the other or out of Churches imply the incorrigiblenesse incurablenesse dissolving and disanulling of that Church or Churches out of which it is extracted Doth meer Separation of Members from a confessed true Church and Ministery endeavouring to reform according to her Light without their admonition assistance in the Work of Reformation or so much as intimation to the Ministers or Members free their consciences from the guilt of those corruptions which they judge to be in that Church Is it not a neglect of Christs rule viz. Admonition Tell him his fault c. And the substitution of another in the place viz. Separation which is as it were an Excommunication of the Church and beyond the Rule Whether if seven eight nine ten twenty separating voluntatily yea sinfully as if they turn Brownists Anabaptists Familists Antinomians Arminians from a Congregation of an hundred two hundred or a thousand do by a particular Covenant combine themselves together are presently thereupon exempt from the Jurisdiction of that Church and have as much or more Church power then they had while they were as they ought still to have been Members of the said Church yea do become a distinct Independent sister Church Whether Women at least Widows and Maids that are sui juris be not engaged to-seek the participation of all Gods Ordinances as well as men and bound to joyn in Church-Covenant whether any considerable number of men or any men at all do joyn with them or no Had Paul converted those Women to whom he preached Acts 16.13 which could not be brought into an Organical Congregation can it be conceived that they though Baptized were still without were not their children 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 holy having right to Baptism If it be essential that the Church should be at first made up of visible Saints can a man in Faith joyn to any Church or being joyned bear Office submit to Censures or give any Church respect unto her at the Constitution whereof he was not present nor knoweth the first Members or possibly suspecteth them to be unsound seeing he may well doubt whether the said Church hath all the Essentials of a Church or no Is not that which was once Essential to a true Church ever Essential and is not the matter of a Church visible Saints as necessary in the continuation as in the first constitution of it Was every Member at his admission into the Church in the Apostles times called to give account of the Work of Grace in his heart and how is that proved Was the Congregation to judge and what Congregation in Scripture did so judge whether that work was wrought in his heart or no and consequently whether he were to be admitted or no Did John Baptist which Baptized Jerusalem and all Judel yea those which he calls Generations of Vipers Luke 3.7 with 21. and the Disciples of Christ which Baptized more Disciples then John so much mistake though they were born and lived amongst them as to think every of them a true Saint of God Was this grosse mistake the ground of their Baptizing so many of them Did they prophane or prostitute the Holy Virgin Ordinance of Baptism in baptizing so many thousands yea myriads for they could be no lesse amongst whom were so few very few comparatively either real or visible Saints Should they not have prepared the people better then thus and letten them have walked sometime in fellowship with them for approbation of their Conversation for so the very Cells of Satan say some Monasteries and Nunneries do before they admit any into their Society Was not the first if not the onely Church founded by Christ himself domestical in Christ's own Family as the first Jewish Church was in Abraham's Family in which Christ himself the Master of the house who chose the Apostles and not they him was the Priest Prophet and Pastour as also Adam Noah Abraham in their Families and in which the Sacrament was administred and received which we read not in other Families called Churches and to which Christ might have added many formerly converted by himself and others and yet did not and should or may a family of twelve or thirteen be and continue so long an entire Church without adding one Member of any other family though never so fit to be received as Christs Family till it was dissolved by his death did Whether the Church being first Domestical and after Congregational both the one and the other were not accidental to it the Jewish Church having the essence of a Church when it was National as well as while it