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A89832 Deceit brought to day-light: in an ansvver to Thomas Collier, vvhat he hath declared in a book called, A dialogue between a minister, and a Christian: but by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither. In which answer his lies are returned for the founder to prove; his errors laid open, read, and reproved, and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words. / Published in short for the souls sake, that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty, lest any should believe lies, and so be given up to delusion, and bee damned, by a lover of truth, called, James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N269; Thomason E885_5; ESTC R202981 17,493 32

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watchings in fastings in wandrings hunger and nakedness having no certain dwelling place in tumults often in necessities in stripes in whipping mocking stoning and imprisonment c. Let us see if it be your manner to dispute in the Idols-Temple against their Idols-worship that deceives souls and preach in the streets and markets daily c. and all this freely without hire These are the Apostles wayes and this is the Apostles word let us see if you be converted according to it and that your God is the same theirs was and will carry you forth in the same way and work and that you dare trust him therein And as we see you in the Apostles works so we shall be engaged to believe that you are converted by their Word which was before the letter was and the light thereof in all consciences will confess to you and that this is the living God whose wayes is righteous that you preach for all to worship and then we shall own you and the Apostles words will own you and your practice but where you are now we cannot nor can we worship with you that for God that which cannot save you from that wicked lying spirit that acts you nor lead you into the same work that it hath done all his Ministers in all ages for we know that God whose Word is Righteousness and his wayes Truth and what Ordinances he sets up that will we worship in for those Ordinances are spiritual and have life in them wherein God dwells and in them by him we shall be kept And the clear water we know wherein our bodies are washed and the blood of cleansing and the bread of life which was broken for us and is given to us by which we live and own the Apostles practices to follow Christ in our measures for which we are counted the off-scouring of all things unto this day and till then think not that we shall worship your tradition which brings forth a lye that cannot save the Founder for that wherein God dwells not is but a likeness empty and so your practice proves your way whereof it is Surely in vain do you setup Idols the Lord is risen your carved Images are lighter then vanity All the idols of the heathen are void of Righteousness truth is wanting in their inward parts they have deckt them with colours they have covered them with words they cry Come bow and worship but doth not consider that a lye is in there right hand there is none that considereth once to say in himself What is this that I am doing What profit is there in that to which I fall down is this the living God for whom I am thus contending that is not able to plead for himself and defend himself with righteousness with judgement and equity to plead against his enemies in their own hearts that cannot strike thorow the loynes of his adversaries cover me with innocency and peace while he covers his Enemies with confusion Is this he whose Word endureth for ever from generation to generation who hath left me to seek counsel in the Letter and without his Spirit and to consult with men how to keep up his Ordinances and to go to carnal weapons to avenge him on them who cast down his Altars who cut down his Groves and declares against the way of his worships Oh foolish people is this he that pleads the cause of his people who cannot plead for himself in Judgement nor for you in Righteousness Let him put spiritual weapons into your hands let him fill your hearts with Righteousness and your wayes with equity let him cover you with innocencie and preserve you in patience till he have made your light to shine in darkness that therewith he may confound his Enemies let him cause truth to spring in the earth and faith to bud and blossom that righteousness may cover you from the storm and the effect thereof may be peace then shall all your Enemies be ashamed and confounded before you for his power shall pass before you to make the earth to tremble at his presence whom the carnal sees not let it be proclaimed before him The Lord our righteousness gracious and full of mercy whose eye goes thorow the world and who will by no means clear the guilty And if this be the Name of your God let it be written upon you let the Zeal thereof be as a mark in your fore-heads and his sighteousness upon you as a Brest-plate that all may say this is the Lord bow before him there is no other who maketh his people lights in whom he holds forth salvation and healing to the Nations Surely this is the Lord and this is work and to him shall the world bow and his Saints confess his Name for ever Verily in the Lord our God is salvation strength Righteousness is thy right Name Judgement goes before thy face to confound thine Enemies thy light is as a fire to consume the wicked and by the same is thy Word declared therewith thou sends the rich away empty but the poor thou satisfies with goodness everlasting thou hides thy way from the subtil that thou mayest set the Prisoner out of the Pit that he may possess the gates of his Enemies and go in and out and feed in safety thou makes him strong that was feeble but strikes through the loins of the wicked thou dries up the depths of the sea that thy ransomed ones may pass over Our enemies sees and are troubled rage hath seised upon them in travells they are with mischief they are pained to bring forth and their birth is a lye Their son cannot save them they have brought forth darkness and folly Counsel and peace is not in him therefore they stagger in Judgement but thou Lord God gives us light as in the beginning the ancient of dayes is our stability things of many generations hast thou set before us the foundation that is unmoveable is discovered therein thou hast set us as upon a Rock so that the Floods of the ungodly cannot move us thou hast lifted up an Ensigne and the Heathen are angry the pride of the Nations hath gathered against thee thou hast set up judgment against them in the streets of wickedness and hath sent out the Lamb amongst the Beast of the field upon his head thou hast placed a defence thou hast covered him with righteousness as with a garment thou hast covered thy Enemies with thick darkness and their Armies with a cloud they grope at noon-day thou hast smitten the horse with blindness and his rider with madness they have risen up against thee they are confounded they are driven back their arm hath failed and thou savest thy people with a mighty salvation the meek sees it and rejoice it glads the soul of the innocent to see thee Praise our God in the beauty of holiness all that are come to the peaceable habitation Sing unto the Lord a new Song you people of good understanding who knows the root of righteousness where it springs and are fed with the dew of heaven whose hearts the Lord hath opened for himself that he may fill you with goodness that you may bring forth as a watered garden that the Lord may take delight in his own and dwell in you for ever The End
should guide the tongue and thereto would limit God for ever as to matter of converting of people thou must needs cast out trembling who excludes the Word and in Isa the 66. 5. Thou mayest read thy generationand thy work and thy judgement also and what thou knows or trembling is seen by what thou knows of the Word It would be thy wisdom to stop thy mouth and speak not evil of that thou knows not thou may long read the letter and call that the word with thy lying spirit ere thou know what the trembling is of Gods people such thou hates as did thy generation in all ages Thou proceeds tell of great things in thy imaginations from the letter and tells of a state of general reconciliation which all the world is recovered to though not redeemed from any curse and tells of a twofold reconciliation and a twofold redemption and many such things in thy confused minde which the Scriptures knows not but knows not one redemption thy self but art a servant of satan in lyes and false accusations against the innocent such a redemption the Devil can profess as stands in words from the Letter without power and life had there been no Letter such a profession would have been as is your practice Thou goes about to describe who are the daughters of Babylon and thou concludes all who come in after the Jewish rites sprinking or dipping Infants being exercised in Romish Ordinances c. These are Rome's daughters though they cry Out Harlot against their mother I say go one step higher and take in your own tradition which is neither according to letter not spirit neither in call manner nor end as I have divers times proved and am ready to do as occasion is offered and as it is with theirs out of the true form so is it out of the true power of godliness and brings forth the same fruits with the world if not worse so that if any will own you for Saints onely because you have been two or three times dipped or sprinkled in the water more then others have bin then they may have such Saints enough who do make dipping so many times some twice some thrice as a god and ground of salvation and of union but further then that doth differ you from the world they shall never see any thing of a godly conformity and denying the world's customes or conscientious walking whereby you shall be known from other men unless it be that you have got more subtilty to oppose the truth being as the head of the image got a little higher then the rest but as enviously wicked and bloody as any is this day in the Nations and would as gladly stir up persecution had you but power as some of your prime Teachers have said to some in Authority that he had rather a Law was made to take away his life then that we should bee suffered and at this day are you scattered throughout the Nation by your letters to rake up what filth you can to cast upon the children of light And if thou say thou art clear then let this heap of lies out of thy book be witness against thee which were they true might serve to take away our lives by the Law of the Nation yea such a heap of wickedness as if hell had been raked to bring it up to cast upon us of which we are clear before God but you being a people who have declined your principle of a tender conscience above all others so you who have done it must needs exceed all others in mischief and hatred against such as retain God in their consciences and dare not sin against him casting all manner of evil report on tender consciences as because we cannot bow to your filthy pride and respect of persons and give flattering titles to the spirit of exaltation in a proud man or woman therefore by you we are accused as Pharisees and that we destroy relations and deny civil courtesie as in this thy Book when we deny but the devils pride and if we take heed to our words and by that which is pure of God in our consciences order them according to the sound words of Christ Jesus and the Scriptures then we strain at a gnat and swallow a Cammel so that to speak in the fear of God and in sound words such that cannot be reproved is a great offence to thee and the cammel we swallow is because we go not so often into the water as you do in observance to your tradition which is neither in power nor form of Iohn's ministration whom you would imitate when you that go into the water come out as full of pride envy covetousness and all manner of wickedness as you go in and the Devil hardned in many of you in lying against the truth onely thereby being conceited that your sins are washed away though when you are proved none more impudent and brazened in their wickedness then you are witness the heap of lies in thy book which the heathen that never had profession would be ashamed so falsly to utter as will be seen now when thou art put in plainness to prove them Nay were you not stark blinde and drunk with rage against the truth you might once look back see your selves and what you are doing and how you have dealt with the Lord who once had betrusted a measure of simplicity to some of you which kept you tender which you have betrayed above all people in the Nation was there not a time when you durst not have conformed to the world pride and filthy manners their fashions and customs now maintained their false worships was it not once with you that you could not use the worlds Language as to their corruption therein upheld and that out of tenderness of conscience Was there not once in you a principle against lying and false accusing and perfection for conscience sake Then was you hated of the world as you now joyne with the world to hate us and belye us nay what thing is it now that your conscience will strain at but you can swallow rather then suffer persecution reproach or loss of gain Have not you been witness against the Ministry of the Nations to be of the whore and their tythes and hire till a great part of the most eminent of you be got into the same living out of which you have thrust them let England and Ireland witness though I wil not say you are all guilty in this particular for all have not been proved therein but with what a face you can at this day call the Ministery of the Nations whorish and then take the benefit of it your selves or maintain it in others lest you should suffer the cross of Christ let all who have the use of a good conscience judge And you who can swallow all this and much more that might be named contrary to your faith as you call it and once contrary to your conscience