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A89249 The true light hath made manifest darknesse: or, Sion builded up, and Babylon cast downe. With a true answer of what the Baptist teachers objected against the servant of the Lord who in scorn is called a Quaker, and known to the world by the name of Iohn Moon, in several places in VVales, both in Radnorshire, and Breck-nockshire, whose names are these. Hugh Evans, John Price, Daniel Penry, Reese Davies, John Prosser, Evans Oliver, and Vavasor Powel, who are called ministers of the gospel, but are found to be enemies to it. Some of Vavasor Powel's doctrine tryed, and made manifest by the light. And also some queries given forth, and are to be answered by them that lives in observations. This is given forth by me who is a lover of the truth, and known to the world by this name, John Moone. Moon, John, fl. 1657-1685. 1657 (1657) Wing M2526; Thomason E909_4; ESTC R207461 13,726 23

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they may be one even as we are one Them who have an eye to see withal let them see the confusion which the Baptist declares vvho vvould make Christ and his Spirit distinct one from the other which is contrary to the Scripture so with the Scripture they are judged and with the life which gave forth the Scripture they are condemned as Christ said the hour cometh and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth John 4. 23. for the Father seeketh such to worship him for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth and now herein you may see that Christ and Ver. 24. that Spirit wherein he is worshiped is one and it is them that he is well pleased with but them that knows not his true worship speaks evill of it and these are them that would make a distinction between Christ and his Spirit As the servant of the Lord who is by the world called quaker went to a meeting and there to wait upon the Lord and as he was moved by the Lord to declare his word to the people how they must come to know the way unto God which is light and said that which made manifest sin is light and it is that light which shews man the broad way which is sin and if man would hearken to that light and obey it it would lead him to know the strait way where life is to be found and said as long as man is going on in his sin he is in the way of darkness and there the true light shines and shews him the evill deeds of darkness and now he that loves the Lord and would know the redemption of his soule must learne of the light to deny that will whereby he is lead to do evil for it is that will which is not subiect to the Lord and as long as man harbors that will he harbors the cursed thing which is the enemie of mans soul and man that harbors that cursed thing with it is to perish but man denying the cursed thing owning that light and obeying it it would lead him to know a day of redemption and if man deny that light which shews him sin to be his teacher redemption he will not know Then one of the cheefest of the professors called Iohn Price hearing me declare to the people how they should know truth from error and light from darkness then he said there is an other way besides light and darkness and that they are distinct one from the other I bade him prove three ways and this is his proof there is God man and the devil I bade him prove them distinct one from the other and clear it to the satisfying of the people that way which was neither light nor darkness and I demanded of him to shew and make manifest to the people the word which said they are distinct one from the other but he could not An. Now this I say that there is no other way but light and darkness and man is in the one way and obeying the one as the Scripture maketh manifest know ye not that to Rom. 6. 26. whom ye yeeld your selves servants to obey his servants ye are now if man obey the light he obeys God and if man obey sin he obeys the worke of the devil now every one consider and mind the light which will shew man which way he is going and when he doth evil it reproves him and shews him whose worke he is doing for there is none that can serve two Masters so people consider whom ye serve I Cor. 6. 16 17. and what ye are joyned unto for he that is joyned to an harlot is one body for two saith he shall be one flesh but he that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit and now every one own that light which will shew you what you are joyned unto and every one that is joyned to his own will which is the lust of the flesh except he deny that will with it he must perish So every one that would know the way to the kingdome of God must learn of the light to deny his owne will and take up the Cross and follow Christ Jesus dayly and then he will come to know the power of God which overcomes the wicked one this I say that there is God man and the devil and man is joyned to the one either to God or to an harlot now let the wise in heart judge where the third way is And the same man saith that faith is not the gift of God An. Now this I say that faith whereby man is saved from sin is the gift of God as the Scripture beareth testimony for by Eph. 2. 8. grace ye are saved through faith that not of your selves it is the gift of God now here in your way see how contrary to the Scripture he speaks though many may have the letter and know the Chapter and verse and yet be ignorant of the way unto life so all people consider what way you are in and what faith you do know for that faith which is without works is dead now see if you know that faith which saves from sin if not your faith you must perish and this is that faith which the world lives in and though the world may have the letter to talke on yet this I say there was not any by it saved for the drunkard the swearer lyer and the covetous one these have the letter to talke on but are not saved from their sins and these are them who follow the blind teachers of the world and if the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch now people consider in what condition you are in and see if you can witness to be saved from your sins for if you live in them ye are them who are deceived and are in the broad way for sin is the broadest way that any can walke in now let him that readeth read with an understaning and see if in all the Scripture ye can find of any other saving faith but what is given of God Daniel Penry another of the Baptists said as he was declaring to the people That the Devil spake in the people of God Answ Now this I say That the people of God is the Temple of God as the Scripture declares Know ye not that 1 Cor. 6. 19. your bodyes is the Temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you Now people consider how confusedly he hath spoken for that which he said is more likely to be the Synagogue of Satan then the Temple of God for where the Devil speaks is the Idols Temple and God said What agreement hath the 1 Cor. 6. 19. Temple of God with Idols For ye are the Temple of the living God as God hath said I will dwell in them and walk in them and I will he their God and they
THE TRUE LIGHT Hath made manifest DARKNESSE OR Sion builded up and Babylon cast downe WITH A true Answer of what the Baptist Teachers objected against the Servant of the Lord who in scorn is called a Quaker and known to the world by the name of Iohn Moon in several places in VVales both in Radnorshire and Brecknockshire whose names are these Hugh Evans John Price Daniel Penry Reese Davies John Prosser Evans Oliver and Vavasor Powel who are called Ministers of the Gospel but are found to be enemies to it Joel 2 10. The Lord is uttering his voyce out of holy Sion and saith the earth shall quake before them and the heavens shall tremble Psal 2. 11. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoyce with trembling Some of Vavasor Powel's doctrine tryed and made manifest by the Light And also some Queries given forth and are to be answered by them that lives in observations This is given forth by me who is a lover of the Truth and known to the world by this name John Moone London Printed for G. Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle neer the West end of Pauls 1657. The true Light hath made manifest Darknesse c. NOW is the day wherein the Lord God is making manifest his love in the hearts of his people to the discovering the deceit of the heart and makes manifest unto man the false way of Worship and to the discovering of all rotten profession which many do boast in and this love is that which thinks none ill which is that light which shines in darkness and if man will but hearken unto it and obey it it will lead man out of the wayes of darkness into the way of light and life And herein man will come to know and possess that which the world professes now he that would know the way unto life must first know that light which shines in darkness to be the Judge and Condemner of his evil deeds for all them that will not come to the light to be tryed their deeds are evil and these are them that profess that with their tongues which their souls never did possess and these are them by whom the way of God is evil spoken of Therefore hold not thy peace O God but arise and plead the cause of thy children and make all the ungodly to know that thou art a righteous Judge and that by thy eternal Word the mouth of the Wicked may be stopped and all them who are gainsayers of the Truth may be confounded and that thou by thy own Work O Lord may be praised and glorified for evermore This is in love to all you who would know the Truth as it is in Jesus and who has a desire to know true possession from the rotten profession which stands in observations who are by the children of God known to be the uncircumcised Philistines And as the servant of the Lord was declaring the Word of the Lord to the people and said Christ lighteth every man that cometh into the World and it is by that light which man is to be lead out of darkness And one of the Baptists called Hugh Evans said That the true Light shineth but in some and not in all He was demanded to prove it but could not This I say That the true Light is that which lighteth every one as saith the Scripture That was the true Light John 1. 9. which lighteth every man that cometh into the world Now see how contrary to the Scripture he doth speak that would make John a false Witness and the Scripture to be a lye which saith Light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not Now every one consider that readeth and see John 1. 5. if ye can finde in all the Scripture if it doth declare of any other but the Righteous and the Wicked Light and Darkness the strait Way and the broad Way the one is the Way to life and the other unto death Now every one that knovvs that Way which leads unto death it is the light that shews it him and if he will hearken to the Light it will shevv him vvhat wilhe should deny and vvhat cross to bear and through the denial of his ovvn vvill the cross he vvill come to knovv vvhich daily should be born and then he vvill come to knovv it to be the povver of God unto salvation And if man doth not deny that vvill vvhich leads into iniquity it is that vvill vvhich stumbles at the cross counts it foolishness but these are them vvhich perish and talks of the Cross but knovvs it not nor the power of God but are found Enemies to it and these are them who saith Christ hath given light unto some and not to all and herein they vvould make Christ to be a respector of persons If ye have James 2. 9. respect to persons ye commit sin and are convinced of the Law as a Transgressor Now this I say That Christ hath respect Acts 10. 34. to no mans person as saith the Apostle Of a truth I perceive that God is no respector of persons now here every one that reads may see their confused Language and may see that those are them who speaks contrary to the Scripture and all these who would know life must believe in the Son of God who is the light which shines in darkness vvhich is the condemnation of the vvicked as the Scripture doth declare This is the condemnation That Light is come into the world and John 3. 19. men loved darkness rather then Light because their deeds were evil for every one that doth evil hateth the light but he that doth truth cometh to the Light that his deeds may be made manifest that they are wrought in God and here it shews but of two the one his deeds were evil and he hateth the Light and the other he loveth the Light and brought his deeds to the Light Now herein he that reads may see that the Professors do say that the Light shines unto them but not to others and herein it doth appear by their own words that their Profession is darkness Now this I say That the light shines to the prophane and to them that sits in darkness as the Scripture beareth witness God gave his only Son a light Luke 8. 79. to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death And also the same man said That Christ and his spirit were distinct I say That they are one and not distinct Christ is the life and the Spirit is life because of Righteousness Now see Rom. 8. 20. where is the distinction for the Scripture declares that the John 17 21. Father and the Son are one as you may read That they all may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they also Ver. 22. may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me and the glory which thou gavest me I have given them that
shall be my people Now he that hath an eye to see withal may see their confused Language who doth call the Temple of God the Idols Temple and herein they are found to be them that call Truth Error but Truth hath made manifest their Errors and all them who knows the Truth and the true VVorship and Temple of God they know how and by what the Prince of this World is cast out as the Scripture declares they know it so to be Now is the judgement of this World now shall the Prince of this world be cast out and all ye that knows him to be cast out John 10. 31. praise ye and glorifie the Name of the Lord God for evermore Rees Davies and another said who were two Baptists these words That in the devil there is as much of God as makes him tremble And the other said That there is as much of God in the Devil as in man Answ I said he had spoken contrary to the Scripture and I said The hope of Glory is in man and it is not in the devil as the Scripture meakes manifest to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this Gal. 1. 27. mistery amongst the Gentiles which is Christ in you the hope of glory now all people consider and see how confusedly they speak and contrary to the Scripture so every one mind that light which convinces of sin and leads to the mistery of faith and leads out of all blind profession to the true possession where man will come to know a rest to the weary soule and now concering the devil I say he is out of the truth and the truth is not in him as the Scripture doth affirme Ye are of your Father the devil and the lust of your John 8 44. Father ye will do he was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him so all people consider and mind that light which lighteth every man that comes into the world that by it you may come to be lead out of darkness to know the light of life but if you deny the light which convinces of sin out of darkness you cannot come and you will remaine ignorant of the truth and though man declare the truth unto you ye cannot believe As the servant of the Lord was moved of the Lord to go unto on of the Baptist meetings to declare as he was moved of the Lord unto the people and said that all worship that stood in the will of man was abomination unto the Lord and said where two or three were gethered togeteer in the name of the Lord he would be in the midest of them and I declared and said that Christ is the light of the world and lighteth every man that comes into the world and it is that which shews man sin and shews the drunkards he should not be drunk and the lyer he should not lye and the proud he reproves then one of the Baptists hearing me cryed out and said prove prove thy doctrine for I deny it then I said unto him if thou canst disprove me do and if thou canst not believe me and I said dost thou cry out against me because I declare against pride and thou being an upholder of it then he said wherein am I an upholder of it then I said thou art on who goeth about to sell ribaning and lace and how canst thou have a face to speake to the people and say thou art one who declares the Gospel then he answered and said that ribaning and lace is to adorn the Gospel then I said the same the drunkard and the swearer is adorned withall now people consider what the Baptist Gospel is adornd withall for the same the whore of Babilon is adornd with but this I say that the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation unto every one that believes it is adornd with righteousness and now herein you may se the defference betweene the Baptists Gospel and the Gospel of Christ and the same Baptist said that there is nothing that is pure of God in every mans conscience and he bade me prove that there is some thing which is pure of God in every mans conscience and he bade me prove that there is something which is pure of GOD in every Mans conscience and this Scripture I bring to prove it for the grace of God that brings salvation hath apeared to all men and this is that which is pure for there is nothing that Tit. ● 11. brings salvation but that which is of God as the Scripture declares that was the true light which lighteth every man 1 John 2. 9. that cometh into the world and this is that which convinces the world of sin the true light which shines in darkness Vers 5. and darkness comprehends it not and now peopel this I say there is but that conscience which is purged and that conscience which is defiled as the Scripture declares Christ Heb. 9. 14. through the eternal spirit offered himselfe without spot to God purge your consciences from dead works to serve the living God and that conscience which is defiled is the conscience of the wicked and Christ came to call them to repentance which defiled the conscience and that which is defiled is darkness and there the true light shineth and now all people that reads this read it with an understanding and se if the profession be not one with the profane for many more words was betwixt them and me which is not worth the mentioning in so much that they said that the heart of man is always deceitfull and herein by their own words it doth apeare that neither their profession nor their possession doth clense their hearts from sin so all them that would know the remission of sin own that vvhich convinces of sin vvhich is the son of God vvho sets free that freedom you may all come to know Evan Oliver a Baptist said these words that God and his grace is not both on An. I say that God and his grace is both one it is the grace of God vvhich brings salvation and vvhich is the teacher of the children of God as saith the Scripture for the grace of God that brings salvation hath apeared to all men teaching Tit. 2. 11 12. us to deny ungodlyness and vvorldly lusts and novv people consider and see where you can find in all the Scripture that God is not one with that vvhich brings salvation for it is the grace of God that tells and teaches man the way to God and seperates man from his iniquities Some of the conference which pased betwixt John Moone and Vavaser Powel vvho goeth under a pretence of being a Minister of the Gospel but is found to be an enimie to the Gospel of Christ and to his servants vvho is and was sent to declare the Gospel of Christ as it is made
manifest to all them that knows the truth The first error Vavaser Powel said these words that Christ called his disciples ye unbelieving and faithless Generation Then John Moon said that the disciples were believers and had faith for if the disciples were not believers and had not faith they were not saved but vvere already condemned and if they were condemned who are they that are saved And now herein Powel thou art found judging the servants of God to be without faith but this I declare that Christ loved them and choosed them out of the world to declare his eternal word of truth and from that word they declared These things have I written unto you that believe on the I John 5. 13. name of the Son of God that ye may know that ye have eternal life now here the Scripture doth make manifest that they did believe and had eternal life and Iames said Yea a man may say thou hast faith and I have works shew me thy James 2. 18. faith without thy works and I will shew thee my faith by my works Now all people that read may come to see that the disciples believed and had faith as said John for whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world and this is the I Joh. 5. 4. victory that overcometh the world even our faith and all them who knows the faith which is given of God they know by that faith to overcome sin and so they come to witness the Scriptures and to know the everlasting Gospel But thou Vavaser Powel vvho goeth about to tell the people of a Gospel and of a Faith but they know not the power of God nor that faith which purifies and thou art he who art found declaring a Gospel without power which is not the Gospel of Christ but to that Gospel which is the power of God thou art found to be him who is an enemie to the Gospel of Christ and that faith which vvas delivered to the saints for if thou hadst known that faith which purifies thou wouldst not have said by them who Jesus Christ chused to declare the Gospel ye unbeliveing and faithless generation but Powel herein thou hast made thy selfe manifest to all them that will not be will fully blind and in stead of being a friend to the Gospel thou art found and enemie unto it and a revening wolfe who is seeking to devoure the Lamb and them who are messengers from the Lamb of God to declare the eternal word of truth to the people but I found thee Powel declaring to the people that the servants of God who are his disciples that they were an unbeliveing and faithless generation and herein Powel thou art found declaring thy errors to the people and contrary to the Scripture crying up sin and another Gospel which is without the power of God and them that believe in it shall never know to be redeemed from their sins but always live and die in them and this is the end of thy ministry Now I am come to the second error Thou Vavaser Powel vvho saist that them vvho are sanctified purified and clensed did commit sin and fall into sin Then John Moone answered and said he that sanctifieth and he that is sanctified are one and this Scripture I bring to prove it for both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren and now this I say that it is Christ Heb 2. 1● that sanctifieth and he doth not commit sin and he that is sanctified is one vvith him and he that is cleansed and purified is one with the Father and the Son but they who doth commit sin is not one neither with the Father nor the Son for God is of purer eyes then can behold iniquity and this is he who is light and them who are sanctified walks in the light as J h said but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood I John 2. 7. of Jesus Christ his Son clenseth us from all sin now here all that readeth may see that he who is sanctified is one with God But Powe who would make the people believe that he that is sanctified commit's sin this is but to cover his Gospel which is without power Then I hearing him preaching to uphold sin and saying that the godlyest man that ever was upon earth would sin then I asked him if any ware clear or holy that passed before us he answered and said no not one then I brought this Scripture Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you then he said he would disprove it and John 15. 3. sought in a Bible to make these words to be a lye and brought two or three scriptures then I spake and said owel art thou going to prove Christs words to be aly for Christ spake these words that I have read and thou art going to prove them a lye and herein thou hast made thy selfe manifest to all them that will not be wilfully blind and insteed of being a Preacher of the Gospel thou art found to be him that would destroy it and is declaring contrary to the Scriptures as thou sayest There was no man holy upon earth and Christ and his disciples said there was for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. but thou Powel hast made thy self manifest that thou dost not know this prophecy if thou hadst known that prophecy which is of God thou wouldest not have cryed up to the people sin and wickedness and against the holy men of God but herein thou art found in another prophecy vvhich stands in thy ovvn vvill and that makes the vvorld to receive thy testimony and thou goest under a pretence to be a Preacher of the Gospel but I finde thee declaring to the people thy errors crying up sin and vvickedness and said it vvas to comfort the people Novv people to let you knovv Powel errors vvhich he preaches is these He is crying up sin and corruption and vvickeduess and these are them that are guided by the spirit of error and he saith The righteous man commiteth sin and I say That is an error and he said He that is clean commiteth sin and that is an other error for vvho soever commiteth sin is guided by the spirit of error and these are them vvhom thou Powel art declaring to the people and to cover thy errors thon cryest up an ordinanance to make thy errors to seem glorious to the vvorld but thy ordinance is no more but vvhat the drunkard svvearer and lyer doth knovv and feed upon and dye for they are eating bread and drinking vvine but they do not discerne the Lords body and Eccles 7. 20. if thou Powel hadst discerned the Lords body thou