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A44785 Darknesse and ignorance Expelled by the light shining forth, and the appearance of the day. In answer to a book called, Innocents no saints. Published by one Edward Dodd, wherein he hath laboured to prove tythes lawfull, and tithing priests and hirelings to be the ministers of the word, and the masse-house the church; and calls idolatry civility, and heathenish complements courtesie, and hath perverted many Scriptures. His deceit laid open, his vindication made void, and his arguments confounded, and Truth laid open in all these particulars, for the sake of the upright in heart, who rejoyces in Truths prosperity. By one of the lambs followers, who makes warre against the heart of the dragon, and against the rear of the beast. F.H. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing H3156; ESTC R215412 21,256 31

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prevailed but are become all like broken bowes in which there is no strength which they may all lay downe in the field of confusion where they set their battell but the Lamb hath prevailed and his weapons are spirituall and they who follow him are skilfull to handle the sword and are able to make War with the Beast and all his followers and many are overcome and the rest shall be subdued and the day hastneth greatly that they shall melt away that hate the Lord And as for Christs saying let them alone they are blinde leaders of the blinde This he spoke of thy generation the Pharisees who were called of men Master and loved greeting in the Streets and Market-places and stood praying in the Synagogue in whose foot-steps the Priests of England are which Christ cryed wo against and now they are seen to be blinde guides and leaders of the blinde for they whose eyes Christ hath opened hath ceased from such and now bears their testimony against such In the eleventh page thou goes on in thy blindenesse and ignorance pleading for your publique place of worship the old Masse-house set up by the injunction of the Pope And you have taken their houses into your hands and scoulds against them in it when you are in the same nature And thou bidst us read what conspirators and enemies of God use to do in Pslam 83. 3 4. They said Let us take to our selves the houses of God in possession This was spoken of the Heathen of Gebal Ammon and Amaleck and the men of Tyre who devoured and destroyed and sought to destroy the Store-houses and Synagogues that were used in the first Covenant And thou mayest take the application home to thy selfe and to the generation thou art pleading for Have not the Papists good ground to plead with you in this behalf Was not the Abbies Monasteries Masse-houses Tythes Oblations and Obventions Easter reckonings Peter-pence the Papists and Jesuites maintenance And did not Henry the eighth who was the first establisher of your Religion in this Nation Did not he take them away from the Papists and then the Priests who denyed their holy Father the Pope got their tythes and the maintenance and took the Masse-houses into their hands and the tythes and Easter reckonings And if thou call these Gods houses and this Gods maintenance for his Ministers which maintained Popery Then thou hast brought all these Scriptures against thy selfe and thou art in a great transgression and your Schooles and Colledges which thou ignorantly callest the Schools of the Prophets like an unlearned man and Schools of piety then the Papists were Prophets and they were pious For these Schooles and Colledges were invented by them and you have gotten these from them to wit the Masse-house Schools Colledges Tythes Oblations the Papists maintenance and their hire and this is lawfull in your eyes and yet you will call them impious and idolators Are not the things the same in your hands as they were in theirs but these things are quite another thing then was in the first Covenant These things are not to be paralleld with the Synagogues Temples Store-houses Tythes under the Law for these were invented since the Apostles dayes and the Apostates who went from the life invented them when all wondered after the Beast and never mention a word of the Scripture as to thinke to prove these invented trumperies for the Scripture never intends nor them that spoke it forth to patronize your deceit in these things Object But it may be thou maist say Though these things fore-mentioned were set up by Idolaters and the places were made for an Idolatrous service and the maintenance and hire were to maintain Idolatrous Priests but now they are converted to a better use and they are convenient to meet in and convenient for our Ministers maintenance Answ. Did ever any of the Ministers or Apostles of Christ goe into the Iewes Temple or Synagogues to worship after Christ was ascended except it was to declare against them and to bring people off them or did they take the Jewish Priests maintenance which was commanded to be payd of God or did the Ministers of Christ exhort the Jewes that believed to build a Temple or a Synagogue to worship in Or did any of the Ministers of Christ go into the Temples of the Gentiles to worship or into the high places of the Iews Or did they receive the Idoll Priests maintenance or the Jewish tythes or eate that which was sacrificed to Idols If nay where is your example I know you dare not plead commandement from the Lord for these things Might not the Jewes when they had broken down the Altars of Baal and destroyed the Images and high places and the beauty of them have said these are convenient places for worship let us now worship here for conveniency and that maintenance of offerings that was offered to Idols let 's take them and give them to our Priests and Levites and let us offer them unto God If these things had been justifiable then yours are justifiable now but if condemnable then yours condemnable now and so let your mouths be stopped and speak no more so proudly nor bring no more such impertinent proofs and arguments for your deceit for that is enjoyed that weighes you all and can judge all your deceit And for Barbarisme and Heathenisme and Heresie thou speaks on which layes the Lords vineyard waste it 's brought in and dwels among you and the fruits are manifest in most of your Steeple-houses or Masse-house as witnesse your ringing of Pans Candlesticks Frying-pans throwing water and rude behaviour which hath been used by your Church-members as fighting beating punching tearing of cloaths haling out of your Assemblies them that come in the Name of the Lord and these be the fruits of barbarous Heathens which are not brought forth anywhere but among you but it may be thou wilt call this civility and courtesie and the tribute of the Nation And for heresie both in Doctrine and Worship none are to be compared unto you for unsoundnesse and ignorance for I looke upon you as the tayle of all the people in the Nation And the Vineyard of God that thou speaks on is no where layd waste so much as among you masse-house worshippers for you are like bryars and thornes scratching rending tearing and haling and are as a field untilled and as a waste howling Wildernesse that knowes not when good comes and that your Ministers are those proud phantastick sprits that have taken upon them to preach who denies an immediate call Neither are they approved of his Church which is in God the pillar and ground of truth but onely they are approved by man and by the Colledges which were invented by the Pope where more deceit and foolish fopperies are practiced then in any society in the Nation besides for them that denies an immediate call and an infallible spirit I deny them to be any Ministers of Christ and so
as thou calls it metamorphize them into another shape witnesse the many publique Teachers and Parish-masters and tithing Priests in the dayes of Edward the sixth Henry the 8. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeths dayes and now of late in the Bishops dayes when the Magistrates voted down the Bishops all or most of the Priests denied their Fathers and their institution and though they ordained them Ministers yet they denied them and now are got into their seats and Benefices and there thy Reader may see the metamorphosed changelings and the apostates and I do believe the County of Salop abounds with such like and they have been on the Stage long and have acted such a part in every generation as would please the present Authority or power whether they were Papists or Protestants Prelaticall or whatsoever but F. D the Exit will come and when the day appears the beasts must go into ●heir dens again and thou confesseth you live in apostatizing times thou that art among the Apostates and in the apostatizing age and time would accuse others Nay thou must hold thy peace and leave pleading for Apostates and for the fashions of the heathen which hath got up since the dayes of the apostacy which the whole scope of thy Book is full of nothing else and we cannot permit or allow them who are in the time of apostacy and who are one with the Apostates which have wandered after the Beast since the dayes of the Apostles I say we cannot allow such as you to be Judges for we are come out of the apostacy and to before the Apostates and to before the wandering Stars and thou hast mist it much that tells the Quakers are they Edward I tell thee we are come to the everlasting Gospell again and have received it and it 's the power of God which was to be and is to be preached again to the Nations after the apostacy And as for the Book called Malice stript whipt I have seen it and the spirit of thy Mr. Smith whom thou calls Reverend thou hast elevated him as high as the Pope but E. D. what is the reason thou reverencest him so much as thou doth to thy Reader And in the tenth page thou saist many souls depend upon his Ministery and thou blessest God for the worke of God you enjoy in that Congregation Thou hast extol'd him too highly or else he hath wronged thee grievously for thou saist thou hast profited much by him Thou mayest call to minde a certain time when he preached as you call it out of the 13 of Luke and when he spoke of the parable of the man that planted a Vineyard and 3 years looked for fruit and Sam Smith whom thou so adores said he had sought for fruit from your Congregation this 7 yeares at Cressage and had found none he shall be an evidence for me against thee that thy glorying of him is vain and it 's manifest he is one the Lord sent his Prophet to declare against who hath run and the Lord never sent him therefore he hath not profited you at Cressage at all lean souls are they like to be that depends on him In the first observation as thou calls it thou hast extracted the heads of Samuel Smiths Book into five particulars which thou saist we are ashamed to answer or else know not what to say for our defence I say unto thee boast not when thou putst on thy Armour but when thou putst it off for the victory may be doubtful THe first particular That the Nationall Ministers doth maintain the true worship of God and the Doctrine of Christ according to the revealed will of God Answ. So saying and so doing were something the true worship of God is in spirit and in truth which is not loe here and loe there nor in outward observations but in life in power and in truth But to be brief both the doctrine and practice of the Nationall Ministery in generall is contrary to the Scripture which thou calls the Word of God as for instance their sprinkling of Infants their teaching men to swear and calling it part of the worship of God which is contrary to the doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all Their singing Davids Psalms put into meeter by Poets and Ballad-mongers singing them in their invented tunes which pleaseth the carnall minde Their studied discourses which you call Sermons invented from the strength of naturall wit and not speaking as they are moved by the holy Ghost which the Ministers of Christ in all ages did In these and many other things which I could instance they are out of the Doctrine of Christ And in a word your whole worship differs both in matter and manner from the Saints worship in the primitive times But seeing we have denyed the Nationall Ministers divers years ago and have laid down our grounds and reasons to the world wherein we have charged them that their practice is contrary to Scripture unto which grounds and reasons not one Parish-master in England hath yet vindicated themselves these sixe years And unto that Book called The Grounds and Reasons why we deny the Priests if the Reader be not satisfied concerning them there he may see how they erre both in Doctrine and practice contrary to Scriptures To the second and third Particular That the present government of the Nation is the Ordinance of God and that the Ministers bringing offenders before the Magistate is not persecution As for the present government of the Nation the lawfulnesse thereof is not in question by us but many who are governours and should be Executors of the Law have acted contrary to Law being stirred up by the Priests who bite with their teeth if one put not into their mouths and hath caused the just to suffer by giving judgement against them in their wills contrary to Law or else according to those Lawes which hath been made in the will of man in the transgression under which we have suffered for the truths sake and therein have peace And as for Ministers bringing offenders before Magistrates that is an usurped authority to make a Minister a Magistrate but Edward what was the offence because a company of people came to Cressage and declared the word of truth in your Streets and what if it had been in your Assembly this was no offence in the Church of Corinth where all might speak one by one although it s become an offence in your Masse-house at Cressage but the Reader may judge in whose steps thou and thy Priest walkes you have done the offence and then accuseth others to the Magistrates as offenders Let shame cover your lips you impudent men Hath not Samuel Smith in his own Narration in his book said that William Parrat Constable and Humphrey Dale Church-warden according to the Ministers direction did pull down the Quakers Speaker charging some to secure him And others also of your own County secured by the instigation of the Priest by