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A85049	A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1656 (1656)	Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561	22,146	38

into the world and the onely means of enlightening all that are enlightned to salvation in the world Paralell with that known place The grace which hath appeared unto all men teaching them not that all are effectually taught thereby yet it is still teaching them as a means i. e. offering to teach them the way to salvation whereby Christ indeed hath made a way and fixed a means which is sufficient as a means to enlighten every man that cometh into the world and thus he may be said to enlighten every man that cometh into the world Now the text taken in this sense 't is evident that all are not effectually enlightened hereby all do not embrace and possesse this light all do not receive it and see in it or yeeld themselves to be savingly enlightened by it the very text tells us that the light shined in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not to some the Gospel is hid and Christ is not in reprobates Joh. 1. 2 Cor. 4. 2 Cor. 13. Thus take the text in which sense you will yet we must conclude that that light which is in every man is not a saving light or sufficient to salvation Qua. Mark people He saith the Spirit doth not convince of righteousness and judgment Full. Pray speak the truth I said if you take the text in the second sense which I do not yet the Spirit doth not convince all of righteousness whom it doth convince of sin or the same Spirit may be said to convince some of sin onely and others both of sin righteousness and judgment Qua. Then people he would perswade us that the same Spirit doth not convince of sin righteousness and judgment Full. Cannot you speak two words true I say the same operation of the Spirit doth not convince of sin and righteousness and judgment so that he doth sometimes convince of sin onely and sometimes of sin righteousness and judgment Qua. Turn to the Text I will send the Comforter and he shall convince the world of sin and righteousness and judgment Again Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive ye know him and he dwelleth with you c. Full. From these two Texts brought by your self for the contrary I shall undertake to prove above all contradiction that the Spirit in this saving sense is not in every man yea that the Spirit as a Comforter reprover of sin righteousness and judgment and as a Spirit of truth is not in every man which one would think should put an utter end unto this part of the controversie This Text Joh. 14. 16 17. saith expresly that the Comforter the Spirit of truth which is promised to be with and dwell in the Disciples the world cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him Qua. Canst thou prove that ever any one had so much light as to convince him of sinne and yet that light was not saving Full. Yes that I can Judas was convinced of his great wickedness in betraying of Christ yet Judas had not saving light Qua. But is not that light which convinceth of sin if improved sufficient to salvation Full. Prove that Qua. Nay do thou prove it is not Full. I will There is no meanes sufficient to salvation but what Scripture asserts to be so But now we do not find in Scripture that the light sufficient to convince of sin if improved by us is sufficient to salvation if we do shew it Some of the company did not like the Argument but neither they nor the Quaker himself said any thing at all in answer thereunto Quak. But now answer thou my question Is that a lawfull Ministry that takes Hire for preaching Full. He may be a lawfull Minister which takes Hire prove the contrary if you can Qua. The false Prophets prophesie for reward and preach for Hire Full. Pray observe is there no difference betwixt taking Hire and preaching meerly for Hire or Hires sake The true Priests in the time of the Law had the Hire of Tithes appointed by God himself were they therefore false Prophets Qua. Doest thou take Hire or no Full. If I do I have Scripture for it the Labourer is worthy of his Hire However you are to prove that I preach for Hire or meerly for the sake of Hire Qua. See he hath acknowledged himself to be a Hireling and that he preacheth for Hire therefore he is a false Prophet c. Full. Did you come from God with these slanders I say I am no Hireling I say I do not preach for Hire though I have a maintenance in liew of preaching Good people you see I am enforced unto it pray give me leave to magnifie my Office a little and I shall easily prove that I am no Hireling A Hireling is one that works meerly for his wages and doth no more work than he is hired to do What say you is he not Qua. Yea. Full. Then I shall prove I am no Hireling Qua. Doest thou do more work then thou art hired to do Full. Yes I do Besides my preaching twice every Lords day which is all I am bound by man unto I Catechize I expound upon some part of Scripture I desire particular conference with my people for their instruction in order to the Sacrament I visit the sick I preach my turn at some Lectures And lastly I have begun to go and teach from house to house which I intend through the Lords assistance to go through withall And all this is more than I have Maintenance from man for Yea you are all my witnesses this day that I am here Hun●ing the Wolfe is not flying from him as the Hireling doth Joh. 50. doing more then I am bound to do or can expect any reward from man for Ye all know I might now have been quiet in my study at home and that I could likely expect nothing here but what you see I here find trouble rayling and reviling for this labour of my love to the souls of my poor people that if possible I might save them out of the hands of such deceivers and seducers Qua. Then thou acknowledgest thou preachest twice a day for Hire Behold people then he is so far an Hireling onely he hath said all this that you might think you are beholding to him Full. I am yet no Hireling prove if you can that I preach twice a day meerly for my maintenance though I am indeed thereby oblged thereunto I preach for the glory of God and my peoples salvation You cannot say I preach for Hire unless you could see my heart without uncharitableness and bearing false witness against me Besides I seriously profess in the presence of God and before you all that as I do more work than man can require so had I no reward from man at all yet I would preach I hope so long as I have a tongue to speak Quak. O people pray try him see whether he will preach for nothing my advice to you all

and are the Scriptures lies Mr Tripe But what they sing agreeth onely to Gods people and not to wicked men Full. 'T is their duty to sing and not their sin 't is their sin onely that by their wickedness they are not fit to sing They are not we grant such as their duty requires but can any be so weak to think that they are disobliged from their duty by their unfitness for it We require them to do their duty they shall answer it if they either neglect it or do it amiss This was the substance of the debate There were a few words passed about thee and thou which Mr Fullwood said might be proved from Scripture to be sinfull language because the Scripture determines the controversie about indifferent 1 Cor. 11. 16. things with an Argument from Custome If any be contentious we have no such custome nor the Churches of God Qua. See he pleads for old Customes Full. Sir What I say I bring Scripture for answer to Scripture Qua. But are these words indifferent Is Scripture-language indifferent Full. This is but the translation and it was indifferent for the translators to have translated it you or thou the original will suffer either Another But do not we say thee to God Full. Yes Pray let me take occasion to mind you when these expressions of thee and thou have their use in Custome namely in two cases 1. In a way of great familiarness as to our very intimates or those much below us 2. In a way of great reverence and distance as to God and to a Prince c. But in neither of these senses do you use them Qua. He dreams Full. You answer nothing There was no more offer'd to be said but one went one way and another another And Mr Fullwood having been sent for divers times he went to the door and there desiring the people in a few words to take heed of such seducers he went away many following him A Brief and Plain Answer TO JAMES GODFRIE'S QUERIES ENTITLED Some Queries to be answered by thee George Pitt who professest thy self to be a Minister of Christ but art found in the steps of the Pharisees and hast not the Spirit of Christ therefore the spirit of error With some Counter-Queries to be answered by James Godfrey thence arising By F. F. UPon the Title of these Queries I demand How did this James Godfrey know that Mr Pitt would not answer the following Queries according to his own mind And whether supposing Mr Pitt should return such an answer as James Godfrey would have him he be yet possessed with a Spirit of error Or whether he that erred in rash Judgment did so err by the Spirit of Truth The Quakers first Query Thou that saist Jesus Christ hath not enlightn'd every man which cometh into the world what are those that have not heard and can any hear except they be enlightned and is the Apostle or thee to be beleeved who said they have all heard answer in plain words The plain Answer I know none that speak what I suppose Mr Pitt is slandered with so directly against the Scripture as to say that Christ hath not enlightned every man that cometh into the world and whether all have heard or not or who those are that have not heard as the Apostle doth not so neither this James Godfrey nor any other man can tell however let him beleeve the Apostle before us in what we say contrary to the Apostle Yet he himself implies what we know certainly also that England hath heard and therefore hath had Preachers lawfully sent before such as he is came to teach her for how shall they hear without a Preacher and how shall they preach Rom. 10. except they be sent Counter-Queries to this first Querie 1. Which way doth Christ enlighten every man 2. Whether is hearing the means of enlightning or enlightning the cause of hearing and which is first 3. Whether Christ doth not enlighten any but those that come into the world and what shall we think of those that die in the womb 4. Whether men are enlightned as soon as they come into the world or when 5. Whether those that cannot hear be enlightned or not what shall we think of deaf persons if they be enlightned are not more enlightn'd then do hear if they be not elightned how is every man enlightned 6. Whether Christ may be said to be in all because he enlightens all 7. Whether all that are alive came within the Apostle Peters question Have they not heard 8. Where doth the Apostle say that all have heard answer thou in plain words 9. If all that have heard are enlightned whether our people had not heard before you came amongst us if not then how had all heard and if then whether they were not enlightned before you came and if so what need had they of you The Quakers second Querie Whether the light that shines in the heart doth not give the light of the knowledg of Christ which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world The plain Answer The light of Christ as the Cause shines in the heart and gives the light of the knowledg of Christ as the effect to every one that is enlightned therewith and this light of the knowledg of Christ by the light of the glorious Gospel in our despised Ministery hath shone into the hearts of many of our people before ever you came amongst them to eclipse and darken it The Counter-Queries arising hence 1. Whether the light that is in the heart of every man shine in the heart of every man and whether the understandings of those can be darkened in whose heart the light shines 2. If so Then how can it be said of any that there is no light in them or that they sit in darkness or whether is Esa 8. there any darkness at all in the world or if there be whether it be there where the light shines in the hearts of men or not or whether their darkness doth not comprehend the light in whose hearts the light shines 3. Whether light that shineth in the heart of every man doth give the light of the knowledg of Christ to every man effectually and whether every man that is in the world hath the knowledg of Christ 4. Whether the light which shineth in the heart of every man is sufficient to give the light of the knowledg of Christ without the Scriptures if so then what is the reason that those that hear not of the Scriptures do not know Christ 5. Whether the Scriptures be not they that is only they that testifie of Christ The Quakers 3d Querie Is there any know the Truth but they that know this Christ manifest in them The plain Answer Some do know the truth that do not know Christ manifest in them For 1. Some do know the truth that have not Christ in them and therefore that do not know Christ to be in them much less

manifest in them Some do know the truth that do not walk in the truth but Christ is not in those that are unto every good work reprobate and do not walk in the truth Those that know their Masters will know the truth but those that know their Masters will may not do it 2. Some may know the truth and may have Christ in them and yet not know that he is in them If Christ as you falsly conceive be in every man and some men as this querie supposeth know not Christ manifest in them then Christ is in some men that know not Christ manifest in them And yet such may know the truth and beleeve in the truth and in Christ himself and yet not know that Christ is in them or that they are in Christ the case of many doubting broken hearts The Counter Queries hence arising 1. Whether there be no truth but Christ or whether there be no truth of Christ but Christ manifest within us 2. Whether Christ crucified or Christ ascinded or Christ interceding at the Fathers right hand be not truths or whether thus Christ be not without us 3. Or whether Christ be a mediator advocate and sufferer for us within us or as manifest within us only 4. Whether is the imputed merit and righteousness of Christ a truth or not or wrought within us only and not without us 5. Whether that light which is in every man be Christ or not if it be whether is Christ manifest in every man or not and then whether can any be ignorant of the truth in whom Christ is manifest if not where is the ground of this Question speak plainly without ambiguity or double dealing The Quakers fourth Querie Is there any other Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and are not they reprobates that this Christ is not in The plain Answer There is no other Christ but he that died for our sins according to the Scriptures the same yesterday to day and for ever and they are reprobates that this Christ is not in Yet Christ is another then what he is as manifest in us 1. He is the second Person in the Trinity and as such he is not manifest within us he is within us in his Spirit who is said in Scripture to be sent into us by the Son as well as by the Father which is the holy Ghost distinct in person to the Father and Son therefore we read of three that beare record Mat. 28. in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and the Word with the Father is said to bear record in Heaven only but the Spirit both in Heaven and earth 2. Christ is man also and as such he is not manifest in us for as man he is only in one place viz. in Heaven thus he was seen on earth thus he suffered under Pontius Pilate was crucified dead and buried and rose again the third day thus he ascended up into the Heavens which are appointed to contain Act. 3. him untill the restitution of all things To say that Christ is in every man is to contradict the Scripture mentioned which saith he is not in reprobates And to say Christ is in every man and yet to acknowledge he is not in reprobates is to contradict your selves Counter-Queries arising from this fourth Query 1. Whether hath Christ any humane body out of his Church Or whether hath he a real body in Heaven or in Heaven onely 2. Is Christ any other than what he is as manifest in man Or did he suffer and die being out of all other men for our 1 Cor. 15. 1 2 3 4. sins according to the Scriptures 3. Had Christ the same body in the daies of Abraham that he had in the daies of Herod Answer plainly by the Scriptures The Quakers 5th Query How and by what couldst thou have known there had been a Christ and a Saviour and a Mediatour if the Scripture had not spoken of them Answer or let thy silence acknowledge thy ignorance or natural knowledge The plain Answer Unless the Scripture had spoken of Christ I could not have known that there had been any such Saviour but by the revelation of God Angels or men Yet neither Angels nor men could have revealed it to me unless God the Father Son and Holy Ghost had first made it known unto them So great 1 Pet. 1. a Mistery is God manifested in the flesh Thus Christ was at first revealed by God himself otherwise he had never been known which revelation being now written by holy men of God moved by the Holy Ghost is become Scripture the onely ordinary way of making known unto men this Jesus Christ without special revelation Therefore those that would now attain to the knowledge of Christ must search the Scriptures for they are they that testifie of Christ Natural light cannot discover him neither may we expect new revelation seeing the old is acknowledged to be sufficient The Counter-Queries arising from this 5th Query 1. Whether the light which is in every man is able to discover Christ the Saviour without the help of Scriptures 2. Whether Angels have not as much natural light as men And why then do they look down into the Church for the knowledge of the Mistery of Christ 3. Whether Christ Saviour and Mediatour be different persons If not why then do you speak of them 4 Seeing nothing but God by his own word could reveale this Christ Whether the Scripture which onely speaks of Christ be not the Word of God Let not your silence acknowledge your ignorance or your Answer your error in so great concernments The Quakers 6 and 7 Questions Hast thou the Spirit of Christ yea or nay Is the hope that is in thee Christ yea or nay I choose rather to leave these two Questions for Mr Pitts his own plain Answer The Counter-Queries hence arising 1. Whether those that have the true light shining in their hearts have not the Spirit of Christ And whether all have not this true light shining in their hearts And then whether all have not the Spirit of Christ And then is it not strange if Mr Pitt want it 2. Whether all that have the Spirit of Christ be not Christs 3. Whether Christ and hope be all one If so whether hope died for our sins according to the Scriptures Whether hope be in Heaven contrary to 1 Cor. 13. Or Christ be not in Heaven contrary to Act. 3. 21. The Quakers 8th Query Whether Christ and his Apostles meant as they spake Or whether they left their words for Learned men to give another interpretation of their words Yea or nay The plain Answer Christ and his Apostles mean as they spake they left not their words for Learned-men to give another interpretation of them Yet in their words there are some things hard to be understood which learned and stable men alone can give the true interpretation of seeing men unlearned and unstable wrest the Scripture