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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A84076	A monstrous dispute: or, The language of the beast, in two men professing themselves ministers of the Gospel; both proved at a publike dispute in Lumber-street, Oct. 12. 1653. I. That they are no men, but beasts. II. That they are no ministers, but monsters. William Erbery.	Erbery, William, 1604-1654.	1653 (1653)	Wing E3233; Thomason E714_25; ESTC R207252	4,476	8

A Monstrous Dispute OR THE LANGUAGE OF THE BEAST IN Two Men professing themselves Ministers of the Gospel both proved at a Publike Dispute in Lumber-street Oct. 12. 1653. I. That they are no Men but Beasts II. That they are no Ministers but Monsters WILLIAM ERBERY Where is the wise where is the Scribe where is the Disputer of this world hath not God made foolish the wisdome of this world 1 Cor. 1.20 Every man is bruitish in his knowledge Jer. 51.17 18. The Ox knoweth his owner and the Ass his Masters scrib but Israel doth not know my people do not consider Isa 1.3 London Printed by J. C. for Giles Calvet and are to be sold at his shop at the Black-spred Eagle at the West end of Pauls Something of the Dispute THE Dispute I call Monstrous because it had neither head nor taile as they say the Opponent could not at first finde the Question nor form an Argument to the last and the Defendant was faine to frame both for him Mr. Webster the Respondent had published a Book and publikely preached for the exalting of God alone and of Christ in the Spirit Christ being the onely Ordinance or means to bring men to God and the Spirit alone the teacher of his people Christ the way to the Father and none knowing the Father but the Son inus neither any able to say that Jesus is the Lord but by the Spirit c. such spiritual Truths two professed Ministers came publikely to oppose though pretending some errors I shall not name the opposing Ministers because they were sham'd enough at the Dispute therefore will not strip them bare before the world because I honour them both especially one of them my worthy friend There was also a third that is a Presbyter Independant and Anabaptist three against one but one was too many for three Onely because to me they publikly resisted the Spirit that is now breaking forth in the Saints and seemed to spare the flesh yea to defend that which the Lord God is about to destroy therefore I could not but tell the world that the wisest Ministers and purest Churches this day are so befooled confounded and defiled also with their natural Reason and humane learning that such things are as much set up by these Men in the things of God as by Papists or Prelates I will not mention all the Particulars in the Dispute how little of reason or literature appeared in those who professed both so much Let the impartial hearers judge and let all the Ministers of England Answer if this be learning to say That Rationality is a habit That because humane learning was in the man Christ therefore 't is not sinful in man whose very plowing is sin Why not his learning al●o Is it learning or reason or religion to say That all the imaginations of mans heart are only evil continually per accidens That humane learning is necessary for the preaching of the Gospel Yea that Christ made use of humane learning in his Minstery who knew n●t letters And whereas the Apostle bids us beware of Philosophy and the rudiments of this world That 's humane learning and the like in the things of Christ Col. 2.8 Why is it not a transgression of the Law Evangelical to look for natural Reason and humane learning as necessary means to open the Mystery of the Gospel which is onely manifest by the Spirit of Revelation Eph. 1.17 Eph. 3.3 4 5. Gal. 1.16 Mr. C. Who came to oppose would needs according to custome begin the Dispute with prayer but I prayed him to forbear his prayers till he came to his Closet and to begin the Dispute telling him that Christ did Dispute with the Doctors and Paul in the School of Tyrannus without any prayer before no nor yet with their publike preachings to the world There was no prayer before nor after Sermon I speak this That he and other Ministers might once forbear their superstitious forms of Prayer having no precept nor president for them from Christ and his Apostles it being a customary traditional practise of the old Priests a voluntary humility and seeming holiness with a shew of devotion to begin every publike speech or Sermon with Prayer which is but a meer superstition hypocrisie and pride also to think themselves wiser then God and more devoute then Christ That which is commonly said That every creature is sanctified by the word and prayer is true 1 Tim. 4.5 but why then do they not say grace before eating of Oysters or Apples and why do they not say their prayers before a pipe of Tobacco a good creature The word and prayer is a more spiritual and secret thing in the Spirits of the Saints then understood by common men or Ministers 'T is the word within and the inward prayer for we know not what to pray for as we ought but the Spirit helpeth our infirmities and maketh intercessions or secret petitions for us with sight and groan that cannot be uttered Rom. 8.26 but these men have the spirit at command can pray when they will and know what to pray or utter before hand Besides the mighty command of the eternal Spirit in us is that word which is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart Rom. 10. 't is this sanctifieth every creature as well as every Dispute or Sermon in which Spirit both Christ and his Apostles went forth in their publike speakings or preachings without any forms of Prayers before or after Truely there was no fighting nor blows at the Dispute as 't was reported at Westminster but the Dispute was so confused without any form or order without method or matter indeed that I ne●er saw less Reason or Learning in rational men and Scholars less Religion in Saints who came to catch not to finde the truth but to seek out errors and set up snares in which themselves fell at last The first Question was conce●ning the Ministery which Mr. Webster desired his opponent to prove in himself and to hold it forth to the people how he was sent of God a Minister of Christ but the man was silent to this The position was that God and not man made Ministers of the Gospel Gal. 1.12 Men did only declare who were designed by God before and made Ministers by him for that work So 't was in the Gospel-Church the Spirit seperated Paul and Barnabas whom the Church of Antioch Ordained afterward Act. 13.2 3. Againe the Ordaining of Elder● was an appointing those in their porper charge whom God had before set apart in the Church T●t 1.5 Againe there was a g●ft of the Spirit given by the l●ying on of hands of the Presbytery or Eldership of a particular Church as Act. 20.17 1 Tim. 4.14 compared There being no such manifestation of the Spirit in any Church this day how can any go forth to preach the Gospel having not power from on high nor the holy Spirit sent down from heaven 1 Pet. 1.12