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A77927	The innocency of the Christian Quakers manifested, and the truth of their principles and doctrine cleared and defended from the loud (but false) clamours, base insinuations and wicked slanders of James Barry. / Published for the general satisfaction and benefit of all, who simply desire to know and embrace the truth.	Burnyeat, John, 1631-1690.; Strettell, Amos.; Barry, James.	1688 (1688)	Wing B5967; ESTC R170925	24,109	32

settle them in which is opposite to Gods Free Grace which brings Salvation James Barry also with some of his Hearers did account it an Errour in the Quakers to own immediate Revelation and said they did disown it Now seeing it is so that the immediate Spirit of Christ and its immediate Revelation is denyed by him we demand of him how he came to be a Minister and whence he hath his Ability and that Knowledge of God he pretendeth to have and from whom he hath received his Gospel that he Preacheth its evident enough not from Christ for indeed it is not like his nor him who would have gathered the Children of Jerusalem as a Hen her Chickens but they would not therefore were they rejected because they would not be gathered the Apostle saith 2 Cor. 3.6 they were made able Ministers of the new Testament not of the Letter but of the Spirit and verse 5. saith their sufficiency was of God and Gal. 1.11 12. the Gospel which Paul preached it was not after Man for he neither received it of Man neither was taught it but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ Eph. 3. he declares that he was made a Minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto him by the effectual working of his Power and Peter saith 1 Pet. 4.11 If any man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God if any man Minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be glorified c. Now how is this ability received from God if not by his Spirit and therefore he gave different Gifts of the Spirit for the work of the Ministry and by that they were opened and inlarged and made able But James Barry denying this from whom hath he his Call and whence hath he his Gospel and Ability If he saith from God We desire to know how he received it being not by the Spirit he having denyed that and if it be not by the Spirit it cannot be from God For what a Man receives of Spiritual benefit it must be by the Spirit either immediately or mediately by its working through an Instrument Therefore let him make out how he comes by his Call Ability and that necessity he pretends to be upon him for the Divine Spirit being denyed it must be from Man or else from his own corrupt Heart for Self-interest Which is most probable that he might get Gain and live upon the People For it is evident his necessity is not the same that was upon the Apostle 1 Cor. 9.16 he owns not his way of receiving it nor doth follow his Example in preaching it And to his Hearers this advice we give Consider well your State and whether you profit under his Ministry or no For of old they that ran and the Lord did not send them did not profit the People for he denying Revelation by which the Father and the Son is savingly known No other Knowledge is come to without it but by Hear-say which is not that Knowledge Christ speaks of which is Life Eternal and for your satisfaction read the following Scriptures Mat. 11.27 Christ saith Neither knoweth any Man the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him So Christ is positive that no Man knows God but by his Revelation Matt. 16.17 Christ saith it was the Father that revealed him unto Peter and Gall. 1.15.16 There you may see the Father revealed his Son in Paul 1 Cor. 2.10 The Apostle speaking of the great things God had prepared for them that love him saith God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit and in Eph. 1.17 you may see how the Apostle prayed for the Saints that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ the Father of Glory would give unto them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the Knowledge of the Son and 1 Cor. 14.30 he saith if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his Peace Here you may see that from the Testimony of the Holy Scripture which your Minister said should be the Standard to try every thing by that in the true Church Revelation was expected and to be given way to in the Church and by the Apostle was prayed for that God would give the Spirit and Revelation unto the Church for he knew they could not Worship Pray Preach nor Sing aright without it And what Is this accounted an Error now by your Minister or you Where is your Standard Will you not come to the Scriptures nor to the Spirit neither Where is your bottom and Foundation that you Build upon What 's your Root that bears you You have got a foolish Builder he will not follow the example of Paul a wise Master-Builder 1 Cor. 14.15 Paul said he would pray with the spirit c. and sing with the spirit c. Eph. 5.18 there the Apostle exhorts them to be filled with the spirit and Rom. 8.26 he saith they knew not what to pray for as they ought but the Spirit helped their Infirmities c. and Christ in the 4th of John saith that God is a Spirit and they that Worship him must Worship him in Spirit and Truth and such doth the Father seek to Worship him Now let your Minister clear these things up to you How in your Church or Families either He and you denying Revelation can Worship aright Preach Pray or Sing aright and by what you have Ability and know what to pray for without the Spirits help What are you so strong of your selves in your Self Ability that you do not need that which the Apostles and all true Christians sought the help of and could not do without Nay it was that by which they knew what to Pray for and therefore they waited for its assistance and Paul said he would pray with it You may make long Prayers like the Pharisees but what will it avail it being done without that in which the Saints had access to God. So here your Praying and Worship and Seperation or Gathering being without the Spirit What can it be but from self and in self and so like them spoken of in Jude 19. These be they who seperate themselves sensual not having the Spirit And we desire you to read the 8th Chapter to the Romans and consider what you are to walk after as Christians and to be led by and to live after and with what you are to mortifie the Flesh or the deeds of the Flesh if you own a Mortification needful to Salvation and whether you can be Christs and not have his Spirit and whether you can be the Sons of God and not be led by his Spirit and whether you are Children but by Adoption and if by Adoption whether this Adoption is not by the Spirit And whether it was not the Spirit it self that bore witness with the Saints Spirits that they were the Children of God as verse the 16. And then consider what

THE INNOCENCY OF THE CHRISTIAN QUAKERS MANIFESTED AND The TRUTH of their PRINCIPLES and DOCTRINE cleared and defended from the loud but false Clamours base Insinuations and wicked Slanders of James Barry Published for the general Satisfaction and Benefit of all who simply desire to know and embrace the TRUTH He that hideth Hatred with lying Lips and he that uttereth a Slander is a Fool. Prov. 10.18 I have not sent these Prophets yet they ran I have not spoken to them yet they prophesied Jer. 23.21 Therefore Night shall be unto you that ye shall not have a Vision and it shall be dark unto you that ye shall not divine and the Sun shall go down over the Prophets and the day shall be dark over them Mic. 3.6 Prove all things hold fast that which is good 1 Thess 5.21 Printed in the Year 1688. The Innocency of the Christian Quakers manifested c. SEveral Papers having past between some of us the people called Quakers of the City of Dublin and one James Barry of the same who calls himself an Independent Priest occasioned by his often abusing and frequent reflecting upon us and our Principles as erroneous in his publick Preaching and sometimes in private Discourse and an account thereof coming to divers of us by several persons some notice we took of his said Reflections and accordingly sent to him by way of Admonishment but did not pursue it not looking upon it so very material for us to concern our selves with him only returning his false Aspersions upon himself he being reputed a man so addicted to rail against divers sorts of people at last were necessitated by the many Informations brought us of his continuing his abusive Reflections upon us and many desiring to see and hear us together that they might be satisfied whether it was so as he had said or no and accordingly sent to him and desired him to give us a publick Meeting and there to make good his Accusations or otherwise to acknowledge the wrong he had done us therein But in answer to our so just and reasonable a Demand he sent a scurrilous Paper wherein he both greatly abused us and the Evidence we had quoted to him as also several of our Friends and their Writings in general terms though to this day he hath not produced to us one Sentence out of all their Books that he doth charge to be erroneous yet had the confidence to bid us call in all such Books and let them be burned by the Common Cryer and deny the Authors of them and withal denying he had so said as we were informed We thereupon further examined our Evidence who still affirmed what he had declared as aforesaid was truth And we also having the substance of the matter in two chief points viz. that we denied the Resurrection and Salvation by the coming of Christ witnessed by another of his Hearers who declared he had heard him so charge us to which we returned him an Answer giving him an account how that we had examined the said Evidence again and that he stood to his said Information and also how that another person testified as before mentioned with several Certificates from other persons of other Abuses and wicked Accusations he had cast out against us we therefore did renew our Demand unto him viz. to give us a Meeting and then appear to make good his said Charges if he could against us and that we would then also appear to vindicate our Principles as laid down either by us or our Friends whom he had so abused whose names he had incerted in his first Paper After a long time he sent us another Paper wherein he tells us that by our method he perceives we are not like to appear in publick to discourse Principles c. and in a boasting way tells us that we will not vouchsafe him the least ground imaginable on which to bottom a hope that we and he shall come to grapple in a publick Contest and so proceeds still in the denial of some of the matter in charge already proved not failing to renew his Reflections upon us and our Principles Now when we had received this boasting Paper of his by which one might think that he on his part should not fail to grapple in publick we returned him Answer seeing he denied some part of the Charge as laid down and made him this offer as a moderate expedient to give him a Meeting and that the Witnesses and he might come face to face and that they might have liberty before the people to declare their matter of Evidence which they had to offer and we to lay down our Reasons why we were dissatisfied and then he to say what he could to clear himself and when all had said what they had to say to the opening of the matter we would quietly leave it to the Consciences of the people to judge and believe as they should find the Justice of the Case in their own understandings and this being done we offered to proceed to discourse with him about those three Principles viz. the Resurrection Justification and Perfection in Sanctification as to degrees attainable And further about particular Election and Reprobation of persons and also offered to dispute with him Principle for Principle so long as might tend to Edification c. And for this end we demanded a Meeting and desired an orderly and peaceable Auditory of sober people that gravely in the Fear of God we might go through those things in our Discourse to our Satisfaction and their Edification c. And further offered our largest Meeting-house for an Accommodation to the Meeting if he pleased or otherwise we would submit to go to any other convenient place of his appointing and left it to him to make it as publick as he thought good c. Some time after he received this he sent us another scurrilous Paper filled up with Reflections not only upon us but also upon the people that might have been at the Meeting which he could not possibly know who nor of what sort he might have brought all his own Hearers if he would we put no limitation but as above an orderly peaceable Auditory of sober people but instead of coming to grapple with us in publick as he terms it which one might have thought by his boasting there was to be no doubt of he flies quite off from that and tells us of printing to the view of the World what we have to offer c. And in the beginning of his Paper tells us The expedient propounded in our last Paper is altogether vain and impertinent c. and saith It rather bespeaks us Children not past our nonage in those things c. and further saith that our offering such an expedient for an Accommodation c. he looks on it to be a part of that Subtlety of which the mystery of Quakerism is made up and constituted in that we do so readily contrive and under colour of

receive Acts 20.35 Therefore it would be no unhappiness in James Barry to have Riches that he might rather give and be helpful to the Poor then to be burthensome and make his Ministry chargeable to his Flock for we suppose he is subject to seek and desire it as well as other Men as is evident from his receiving several sums of Mony upon pretence of going into America which when he had got fail'd in performance Oh but he doubts not but this is one of the most powerful Engines by which the art of Quakerism hath been propagated c. but what reason he hath thus to believe he doth not give But we may easily believe it is because he is full of Envy and Bitterness towards us or else he might see cause to doubt of it But in short we say that true Christianity which he calls Quakerism hath not been propagated by this Engine but by the Power of God which upheld his People that it could not be the increase of Worldly Riches that propagated it will plainly appear seriously considering the cruel and grievous Sufferings of our Friends from the very first that it pleased God to call raise them up to bear a faithful Testimony to his Name and Truth Surely if they had sought the Riches Ease and Glory of the World they would not have chosen Afflictions by chearfully giving their Backs to the Smiter and not with holding their Goods from the Spoyler Many to the losing of all not having a Bed left to lye upon nor Cattle to till their Ground nor Corn for Bread or Seed nor Tools to work withall Also Whipping Stocking Stoning Imprisonment they have been treated with For many years not so few as a thousand Prisoners at once until released by the present King scarce a Prison in England but hath been fill'd with them besides many Premunired their Estates seized and they kept Prisoners some for twenty years others during Life many hundred's dying Prisoners As at large may be seen in George Bishops two Books entituled New England judged All this in Old England yet James Barry's Brethren in New England exceeded these Cruelties against our Friends there not only Stockt but Whipt so unmercifully their flesh like Jelly and in that condition drove them many Miles into the Wilderness among the Indians and wild Beasts Yea Tender Women have they tyed to a Cart stript to the Wast and whipt through several Towns ten Stripes a piece in each on their naked Backs and then unmercifully left them in Frost and Snow also cut off Ears Burnt in the Hand Banisht on pain of Death and at last put four of our Friends to death by the hands of the Common Hangman on no other pretence but meerly for being Quakers in which Cruelty they continued until stopt by an Order from the late King. In Plymouth Pattent they made a Law to take all the Quakers Cattle from them except one and in the Execution left the worst thus our Friends were fully tryed there but the Lord who called them not only to Believe but also to Suffer upheld them by his Power so that they chearfully underwent all those hardships rather than violate their Faith or make Ship wrack of a good Conscience Now all seriously considering their Faithfullness towards their God their Patience in Sufferings their Peaceableness towards the several Governments they have lived under their Honesty and Charity towards their Neighbours will plainly demonstrate James Barry's Charge cannot be true viz. the getting of Riches is one of the most powerful Engines to propagate the Art of Quakerism as he scornfully calls our Holy Religion which we affirm to be no other than Worshipping God in his own Spirit and Truth and doth also evidence James Barry's application of the aforesaid Scriptures to be wicked and false and not as David intended who sets them forth in the 73d Psalm as you may see They set their Mouth against Heaven c. saying how doth God know is their knowledge in the most high After all this abusing of us and these Shuffling evasions to avoid giving us a publick Meeting he comes off thus Seeing therefore that by coming together the matter in Dispute is not like to be determined it remains therefore that what you have to offer in Vindication of your Selves and Principles c. be in Print exposed to the view of the World by you But let all consider why we do not come together to endeavour the Determination of the Matters in dispute And they may see it is because he will not appear in publick though he hath boasted as before and now puts us to Print in Vindication of our Selves and the Three Principles before mentioned But wherefore shall we Print in defence seeing he hath not in all his Papers laid down one Argument nor brought one Scripture to confute any of the three as laid down either by us or by our Friends whom he abuseth nor yet as they are laid down by himself and besides the same Friends of ours that he names and divers others have writ in Vindication of two of the said Principles So that whosoever desires to read the Vindication of them may see it in Samuel Fishers Rusticus ad Academicos never yet answered and in George Whitehead's and William Penn's in Answer to divers Books and to Thomas Hicks's lying Dialogues where he like James Barry forges many Lies against us entitled The Christian Quaker c. remaining unanswered either by him or any else that we ever heard of And as for the third Principle we never before him heard any judge Perfection in Sanctification as to degrees attainable in this Life an Erroneous Principle and therefore it doth not so much concern us to Vindicate in Print that which so often is done already and he to make no offer to confute them however he after his former manner as may be seen in his last Paper can make a great threatning boast saying At the back of your Vindication James Barry will send forth in Print his Arguments to prove the Quakers grand Hereticks in these Points c. And why would not James Barry give us a Meeting to prove us such according to his former Boasting might not that have been convenient first or otherwise in writing to have given us some Arguments that we might have had something to have vindicated our Selves against that Wise Men might have seen a little into the ground of our Difference But it is to be questioned whether he hath any Arguments against them that is fit to be brought forth before wise Men and therefore his greatest Policy is to keep them hid and so please fools with his boasting of them but to do him justice we must confess he hath given us cause to appear some way to vindicate our selves and our Principles according to his demand and since he himself proposeth Printing as the method now we think it not amiss to do accordingly believing he cannot reason ably