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A66719 The chasing the young quaking harlot out of the city, or, A turning the Quakers dark side into the light wherein is plainly discovered a twofold design against the publick peace, the one by their doctrine, the other by their sword : with an answer to E. B. Salvation to his brethren : the Quaker founded out of his lying trumpet : with seven special marks to know the quaking harlot from the other harlots : also certain queries sent to I. Lilburn, in order to prove his resurrection to be but a meer imagination, and quaking delusion : together with a certain rule to know whether the Quakers doctrine be a new dispensation of Gods, or a fiction out of a Quakers brain / by Thomas Winterton. Winterton, Thomas.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1656 (1656) Wing W3092; ESTC R7741 12,637 19

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into the world is as a hammer and fire to break and consume all carnal Lust whatsoever or doth at all mortifie and consume Carnal Lust 2. Let us examine what Worship it is thou holdest hard forth In the 10. page of Naylors Love to the Lost he fills up three pages about Worship when less then one line would contain the substance of the matter and that was no other but as every Creature is moved by the Spirit of the Living God and here is all the substance of this large Story the which he doth upon purpose to bemuse and confound the people that so they might be kept off from the serious Examination of the premises but I resolve not to be deceived by him and therefore shall take notice that if Moses had taught no other Worship to the Jewes nor Christ and the Apostles to the Gentiles they had made way for as great abominations as the Quakers do for as all Worships would have been one as another so every Worship would have been as good as another yea the Turk the Pope and all the Heathen-Worshippers in the world might approve themselves upon this Doctrine as true Worshippers as James Naylor the Lyers Murderers and to Whoremongers and all whatsoever every one will say its from the Spirit of the Living God and therefore in that James Naylor doth acknowledge in his writings that there is a Carnal Spirit and a Spirit of the Devil he should have given some infallible Character to know the Spirit of God from other Spirits as Christ doth to know a true Prophet from a false had not his wisdome been as small as his honesty 3. Now seeing the Scripture can say nothing for thee in the good sense let us try whether it knoweth thee in the evill seeing it cannot prove thee a true Prophit let us see whether it can prove thee a false Christ in the 7. of Matth. 15. biddeth Beware of false Prophets and in the 10. ver he telleth us that we may know them by their fruits the which fruits was the distinguishing Character to know a true Prophet from a false Now this Character was not 〈◊〉 pretences of Holiness for that had the false Prophets for the Text saith that they come in sheeps cloathing neither was it manifestation of the Tongues for that the false Prophets could do likewise But this distinguishing Character was works onely whereby a true Prophet or Apostle was known from a false yea and thus did Christ distinguish himself from all false Christs also and therefore he saith the works that I do bear witnes of me and further he saith That if he had not done work amongst them that never none did their rejecting of him had been no sin And therefore when he commanded his Disciples to go preach unto the world the which was sufficient on their parts to put their Commission in execution yet for as much as this was no distinguishing Character he commanded them to stay at Jerusalem till he had provided on the peoples part something whereby to ground their Faith upon that they might be sure they were of his sending and in order thereunto he indued them with such Heavenly Demonstrations that all the world could not furnish a false Apostle or Prophet withall And therefore forasmuch as Jame Naylor did engage in Beech-lane to prove himself a true Prophet and yet could give no other manifestation then every man in the World may do that hath but that impudency and art of our-facing and being told that what he said would not prove he was a true Prophet he bid them prove that he was not a true Prophet the which had been needless because that very request was a sufficient demonstration of a false 4. The next thing considerable is thy subtilty how to make thy self numerous not having the Magistrate sword as the old Whore thy Mother had without which she had been no greater then the ignorant sort would have made her for she by harping upon the narrow way to life the Scripture speaks of in order thereunto she afflicts her followers with many chastisements and purgatories But forasmuch as thou holdst forth the broad way that all that believe in that light with which Christ lighteneth every one that cometh into the world they then are to walk by that light within them and for as much as thou holdst forth no rule to try whether they believe or no but only sayst they do thou must take in all that will but say they believe and they are the member of thy body and being so they are freed from sin And now it is all one as if thou shouldest proclaim Come all Drunkards come all Whore-masters come all Murderers and Liers come all whatsoever all your abominations shall here be turned to vertues and you shall walk according to your own Lust without controll And thus by thy subtilty thou thinkest to increase and multiply for as there is in the whole Creation three degrees that is the Ignorant the Learned and the Prudent Now the middle sort have ever been counted for the multitude the which thou thinks thou art sure to have to make thee considerable that so thou mayst put into execution thy revengful Spirit the which is to make Slaves and Bond-men of all thy Opposers ANd now that this Harlot may not be lost in her Chase I shall discover what marks she hath about her that so all well-willers to the publick may cry this is she this is she Her Marks are these 1. Her Language 2. Her Weapons 3. Her Presumption 4. Her Religion 5. Her attendance 6. Her Kindred 7. Her favour 1. For as much as this young Harlot denies matter and form of worship notwithstanding the Scripture commands it and holds as of necessay matter and form of word no where commanded nor in their own nature of any weight but only to distinguish one thing from another and so any thing that will but distinguish is as good one thing as another and therefore no necessity to change the received civility of a Country from you to thou and thee but only to beget a novelty to insnare the ignorant therefore thou and thee are the true Languages of this Harlot so that thou mayst truly cry this is she 2. Her Weapons whereby she defend her self against those that oppose her Doctrine and there are such as will defend any false Doctrine in the World yea and any abomination too for every Adulterer Fornicator Thief and Murder Lyer and Blasphemer yea the Devill himself if he hath but that impudence may make the same plea of defence against all that shall question his Doctrine that is that they are carnal and in the flesh and to condemnation and that they knew not the light of Christ but stumble at the stumbling-stone and are in the cursed ground and that they cannot believe though the truth be demonstrated to them they having not that spirit but are in their sin Therfore when you hear a
Harlot defend her self in that way a all the wicke dest men in the world yea and the Devill too may do you may safely cry this is she this is shee 3. Her Presumption in that she attempts to share with the Almighty who doth all things according to the good pleasure of his will she claims the same Prerogative denying all other Rules to be guided by God therefore she that thus presumes this is shee 4. Notwithstanding she pretendeth to own the Scripture and speaketh much of Religion and yet holdeth nothing that is demonstrated either by matter form or effects without which all is but a notion and one of dece●●●●●t being but a noyse or as sounding Brasse or a thinkling Cymball therefore when you see a Harlot that prates much of Religion and holds nothing at all you may truly cry this is s●e 5. Her attendance the ignorant and the lewd the one she insnares by her pretended fear and novelties the other are her volenteers the which come willingly in the day of their redemption for the vices will now be turned into vertues that it will be scandall now to blame them if they will but say they believe for she hath no rule to try whether they believe or no therefore when you see a Harlot attended with fools and knaves you may cry this is she this is she 6. Her kindred and that is the Ranters are her elder Sister whose Doctrines though they are in severall terms yet are they both of one nature and lead both to one and the same end the which is to turn the World into a Chaos the one by denying propriety the other by allowing every on to walk according to their own light and dictate of their own spirit 7. She is the youngest of all Harlots surely she is little a bove five year old yet pretend her self to be exceedingly acquainted with the Almighty and highest in his favour and contemneth all others as not worthy to take notice of his glory and notwithstanding the tenderness of her years she hath fulfilled more of the Scripture in relation to pride and haughty presumptuou high mindedness then any ever was before her therefore when you see a Harlot so far beyond comparison in youth and impudence you may cry this is she this is she John Lilburn I Conceive you have left your Titles behind you in your Grave as loathsom I shall not therefore raise them to annoy you but acquaint you that by taking some view of your Resurrection was filled with more wonder then I could procure patience to withhold me from this attempt namely to crave your answer to 13. Queries to the which if you please to give a plain and direct answer I am perswaded that it will produce a discovery of your errors or my ignorance And for as much as I am of belief that God never requireth any thing of man but what he giveth out demonstrable either by matter form or effect to their outward sences because whatsoever is not so demonstrable is not capable of discourse but is as a noise or a sounding Brasse and tinckling Cymball wherein is no distinction of parts a mane essentiall difference between Man and Beast wherefore that our discourse may not be vain if you answer my Queries keep this center or shew the unsufficiency of it or be silent 1. Whether if it be not lawful to presuppose things that are not to find out the truth of things that are and if so then 2. Whether there had been any need of Christs comming in the flesh if Adam had stood in his created estate 3. Whether Christ restored to Believers any more then Adam lost 4. Whether there be any ground to believe that any in this life have more communion with God or are more pure or perfect then Adam was in Paradise 5. Whether Adam in Paradise did not partake of that light with which Christ lighteneth every one that comes into the World 6. Whether this light of Christ and all other light within man if any there be are not seated in the understanding and whether all mans surest light is not conveyed through the senses to the understanding And whether this will not more clearly appear if considered that the stopping of the Current of the senses the understanding becommeth totally dark as unto certainties it having nothing there to nourish it but Imagination 7. Whether it argueth not darkness in the understanding to determinate any thing reall or certain the which was not conveyed by the senses to the understanding 8. Whether for want of this consideration many have not been possessed with as strong a confidence of a certainty as all their Powers both of soul and body could procure yea to the laying down of their lives and yet a meer Imagination 9. Whether John Lilburn was not as confident that God owned 〈◊〉 in his Religion opposing the Powers of this Nation as Saul was in his ●●sign to Damascus and whether Sauls Conversion to a Christian and John Lilburn resolving to a Quaker be upon one and the same ground 10. Whether God did not convey this new light or dispensation to Sauls understanding through his senses in that it is said he heard and saw as a sure ground to build his faith upon and also whether he did not give him power and authority by signes and wonders to convey to the understanding of those to whom he was sent to convert a sure ground of faith also 11. Whether if John Lilburn have received the same ground of faith so conceived to his understanding immediately from God as Saul had or by some other whom God hath indued with Power and Authority to convey a ground of faith as Paul did then far be it from me for blaming of John Lilburn for being a Quaker otherwise Whether if he have not received the ground of faith aforesaid whether it be not easie to discern that John Lilburns Resurrection is but a meer Imagination or quaking delusion Now forasmuch as the Doctrine of the Quakers differeth more from the Doctrine of the Gospel namely faith and obedience then the Doctrine of the Gospel differeth from the Doctrine of the Law and so is as strange a dispensation to the world as either in its time Whether it be not easie to find out whether the Quakers Doctrine be a dispensation of God or a dispensation of mans will Whether if it be of God he will not take the same care for the divulging of it as he did of his former dispensations that is by such evidences as no false Minister could procure As when he commanded his Apostles to preach to the World and to baptize them that believed and to teach them to observe all things c Whither if they had gone barely with this Commission they could have laid a sure ground of faith or could have done any thing to have distinguished their Doctrine and Ministry from false Teachers teaching another Christ and therefore whether he did not command them to stay at Jerusalem till he had indued them with power to convey a sure ground of faith into the peoples understanding by signs and wonders which they did within the reach of the peoples senses the which no false Teacher could attain unto and therefore their God have so owned this new quaking dispensation as he did the former namely the Law and Gospel whether then of necessity it must not be of God But if this new ●●●●ing Doctrine be turned naked out into the World with nothing to 〈…〉 cover it but the outfa●●ing Tongue of men whose best abilities 〈…〉 ●●ch to no higher evidence whether then it be not clear that the Quakers Doctrine is none of Gods but by the will of men Yours Thomas Winterton FINIS