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A89836	A discovery of the man of sin, acting in a mystery of iniquitie, pleading for his kingdom, against the coming of Christ to take away sin. Or, an answer to a book set forth by Tho. Weld of Gateshead, Richard Prideaux, Sam. Hamond, Will. Cole, and Will. Durant of Newcastle. By way of reply to an answer of James Nayler's to their former book, called The perfect Pharisee: who call themselves ministers of Christ, but are found ministring for the kingdom of Antichrist. Published for clearing the innocency of the truth from their malicious slanders, and discovering their deceits. By one whom the world calls James Nayler.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1654 (1654)	Wing N274; Thomason E738_16; ESTC R202155	50,411	56

A DISCOVERY Of The Man of Sin Acting in A Mystery of Iniquitie Pleading for his Kingdom against the coming of Christ to take away Sin OR An ANSWER to a Book set forth BY Tho. Weld of Gateshead Richard Prideaux Sam. Hamond Will. Cole and Will. Durant of Newcastle By way of Reply to an Answer of James Nayler's to their former Book called The Perfect Pharisee Who call themselves Ministers of Christ but are found ministring for the kingdom of Antichrist Published for clearing the innocency of the Truth from their malicious slanders and discovering their deceits By one whom the world calls James Nayler London Printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle neer the west-end of Pauls 1654. To the Reader TO no mans wisdom are we known nor do we desire by it to be approved but to that in every ones Conscience which is the light of Christ are we made manifest and as that arises by it shall we and what we declare be approved and to that do we speak in every one to be known and by that shall we eternally be witnessed when the book of Conscience comes to be opened Now Reader to strive for the mastery by multitude of words is not the way of the Spirit of God nor wilt thou finde it practised in this Volume but lyes and slanders are denied and plain truth in few words is declared not from the wisdom of man nor to the wisdom of man but for the simple ones sake in obedience to God from a pure Conscience to strengthen the simplicity and of any pure desires which may be in thy minde towards God And if there be any thing by the Spirit of the Lord raised in thee which convinces thee and lets thee see how unprofitably thou hast spent thy time in running from one man to another which call themselves Ministers and hast got no true bread for thy soul but art yet in thy fallen estate thy carnal minde ruling which is death reigning And if thou hast any desire and hungerings after truth and righteousness wait upon the Lord in thy desires and in the light which convinces thee and by the Lord shall thy soul be satisfied And if there be in thee any simple honest desires to know who the false Prophets deceivers and seducers are which in this day of the Lord is to be revealed go not to any man to know but wait in the light which is in thy conscience which shews thee sin in thy self which light will discover the man of sin in the world for that is the brightness of his coming and of this light every one hath a medsure though these five and all that love the deeds of darkness who would not be discovered strongly deny it and such are against Christ the light of the world and there is Antichrist discovered and the man of sin and here in thy measure thou art partaker of the same light by which these five and all their generation are discovered and have been in all generations by the children of light and thereby are we separated out of the kingdoms of the world into the kingdom of Christ for which they hate us and would devour us but Michael our Prince is risen and the war is begun with the Dragon the Beast and the false Prophet but the Lamb shall take the victory and wo unto them that are found upholding the Beast and the false Prophet for he that helpeth and they that are holpen shall fall together for now the Lord is risen to be avenged of his enemies and down they must though their number be as the sand of the sea for multitude Take heed whom you side with you Powers of the earth Friends I was moved in my Answer to your Perfect Pharisee at the end of it to write a few words to you five who had subscribed that book that upon the consideration of the many lying slanders there cast upon us some gathered by false reports and some out of books which books did witness so plainly against you both to you and to all that have read them that if it might have been the will of God any of you might have searched your conscience by that light which would teach you to do as you would be done by and have come to repent and found mercy for so I thought that perhaps some of them may be drawn to believe lyes through report that when they see them laid open will not persist in it for so was my heart in love to you if there had been but any innocency in any of you ●hat it might have been awakened to have pleaded against the deceit and led you out of it which was and is my desire But since you are the same yea worse according to that Scripture Evil men and seducers grow worse and worse wherefore I leave you to the righteous Judge of all causes and for the sake of the simple who else may come to be deceived by your subtilties and slanders proceed to lay open some of your deceits in plain words as God shall move A Discovery of the Man of Sin Acting in a Mystery of Iniquity ANd first a few words to your boastings wherein you would make me vile and contemptible and glory much in what you have done as though you were the only men and had overturned all before you To which I answer You might have spared your great boastings of your selves if your pride would have suffered you and have left it to the Judgment of those who are guided by a spirit of Judgment both yours and mine to have been judged of for it is not your great swelling words that can overturne the truth but you must appear to be proud boasters that the Scripture Rom. 1. 30. 2. Tim. 3. 2. Jam 4. 16. may be fulfilled upon you in this as it is in other marks left in Scripture by which those of your generation have been known and are at this day 1. You charge me That I have not sufficiently answered your Book called The Perfect Pharisee To which I answer That which moved me to write what I did in answer to the slanders in it was not to satisfie your wils nor wisdom nor any who stand in their own wils or wisdom for then had I become a man-pleaser Gal. 1. 10. and should have forsaken the direction of the spirit of God which did never in any age serve and seed the serpents wisdom but what it spoke was foolishness and a mystery to the wisdom of the world and it is the same at this day But that which moved me was for the simple ones sake lest he should come to be deceived by the sleights of your slanders and by the envious serpent And I know and am assured it hath and shal accomplish the end for which it was sent forth and shall not returne in vain but shall be a savor of life unto some according to his purpose by whom it was sent forth for it was not my

judge of the world in particular he is judge of the world in general for he is but one in all the Saints who is Judge and shall be at the great day which judgements you are ignorant of who are carnal and compare it with carnal judging of Justice at the Bench and so compare spiritual things with carnal and so appear to be ignorant of spiritual things and that spiritual man which judgeth all things yet he himself is judged of no man which spiritual man being in George Fox is judge of the world but George Fox is denied for we look not upon the visible but the invisible which is the Son of God And this may serve for an answer to your reply and for condemnation To the calling George Fox the Son of God you know nothing of the Son of God as he was revealed in the Apostles but are without God in the world a nest of Serpents This Son is the same who is the Judge of the world And whereas you speak of the Angels not being this Son of God It is true he takes not upon him the nature of angels but the seed of Abraham and who seeth by this eye judgeth the deep things of God and searcheth the hearts according to that measure as he is born up And whereas you charge me with saying to one of you How should God reveal any thing to him and I not know it I answer William Cole meeting me in the way said He had a message to me from the Lord Jesus Christ but that was not a convenient place and here Cole's spirit is tryed I told him Jesus Christ was no respecter of places and therein I disowned him and his message and saw it to be deceit Whereupon I told him to this purpose If Jesus Christ should have sent him with any message to me I should have owned it for where the Spirit of Jesus Christ is that owns the message of Jesus Christ And whereas you speak of vindicating the honour of our dread Lord and his Son Jesus Christ I answer By your lying slanders of the innocent you shall never vindicate his honour for he is honoured by the truth but herein you honour the devil and do his work And here Cole's spirit is tried not to be the spirit of Christ which respects places and his message to be a lye For your Reply to the second Position That there is no distinction of persons in the Godhead Before you said it was in Saul's Errand pag. 12. and now you say you did but infer it from those words that George Fox said that it was but a busie minde But what shuffling is this Are not you ashamed to charge me with shuffling and are found in it your selves What is it that you may not charge upon us by these false inferences And when you are plainly told of it you call it rayling But your folly is made manifest to all men and the ground you go upon who slander by your false inferences and gathered up reports from the mouthes of others and give them out for truths Here I charge you Priests to be slanderers and lyers Now for your Reply to the third Position That the soul is a part of the Divine essence and you say I do not in the least deny it I answer to your charge As to the general I deny and whether any spoke it in particular or no I question there being so many lyes charged upon us from his mouth who affirms this and how shall I either deny or confess it unless I know the truth of it And if any word in weakness be spoken by one is this an honest ground you go upon to charge it upon the whole in general If any should gather up the prophane words and walkings of many in your Parish and charge them upon you would not you think your selves wronged And herein you appear to all not to do as you would be done by And for what is said of our not knowing what the soul is The endless disputes that are amongst you concerning the soul of man and what it is shall witness against you and with me before all men that I have done you no wrong and that you are ignorant of the living soul Posit 4. That Christ is in every man and in the reprobate held under corruption and in your Reply you say I charge you with lying slanders and yet confess the thing I answer That Jesus Christ is all and in all the light of the world and lightneth every one that cometh into the world without exception is confessed but that I said in the reprobate he is held under corruption which one of you said you received from me in conference that is denied And here you adde lyes to slander withal and what I said of you is true spoken not in envie nor from the fulness of my gall as you would make people believe but in plainness and truth And now you would shuffle it off to John Audland because he wrote in a letter to one that was fallen away from the Truth which he had once received That such crucified Christ within them afresh according to the Scripture But is this to say that Christ in a reprobate is holden under corruption let any judge And thus you seem to go about to make amends for wronging of me by casting the same slander fasly upon another But it seems you have a purpose to slander and some must bear it And for that expression you say I used in Edward Briggs house I deny it and witness it to be no truer then the rest and from the same root And for the Dispute you speak of at Pierce-bride and Sanderson whom you bring to prove your lyes which you cast upon me and others of my brethren who were at Pierce-bridge Decemb. 12 where Priest Sanderson came in and many rude people with him and said that God had not given to every man a measure to profit withal C. A. said Here is not one here which can deny but that Christ hath enlightned them which light is the measure of God which Sanderson denied But that any there said that Christ in some was held under corruption they that were there may all witness against him Therefore be ashamed inventers of lyes who seck others to invent them also and are lyars who say Christ is a true light but not the true light as Saunderson did there and that Christ rules in all to whom he is given for a light which is false and here I charge you all Saunderson the rest to be no ministers of Christ who stumble at the light for many say we will not have this man to rule over us and so deny the light and the Lord that bought them and this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and such abide in darkness and comprehend not the light though the light shine in darkness and here are you who deny Christ to enlighten every one that

the truth judge And for those words If we say We have no sin we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us Whoever reads the next words may plainly see that they are spoken of a condition before confession and cleansing else the same Apostle should contradict himself who saith He that abides in Christ sins not and he that commits sin is of the Devil 1 John 3. 6 7 8 9. And he that is born of God sins not which all witness against your deceit and for that in Rom. 4. and 5. It is true no man is justified by his own works for it is he that worketh in us but doth that Scripture say He justifies the ugodly in his ungodliness or him that by faith became obedient as Abraham did And you that would perswade people that Christ will justifie them in their ungodliness count the blood of Christ an unholy thing which is to cleanse people from their sins and not to justifie them in their sins and here I charge you by the blood of Christ to be enemies to the blood of Christ and here you reason to encourage people in ungodliness To your tenth Position No real Saint but he that is perfect and perfectly holy in this life and doth not sin And in your Reply you are offended with our charging you with pleading for sin and you say You foresaw it I answer It seems something in your conscience accused you that we could do no less as may appear to all who read your words who would make people believe the Saints are real and yet live in sin but this is of the same with your former who saith That while a man is cursing and denying Christ he is in a state of justification Now what justification you own all may see when you say He that denies Christ is in a state of justification And whereas you say To discover sin is not to plead for it and many deceitful words you use and brings in a comparison of a Physitian discovering a consumption to that end that the patient may be healed and this you say is the very case between you and Nayler I answer Your comparison will not hold for the Physitian discovers the disease that there may be healing But your discovering is that none can be free from it while they live nor do we say You plead for sin in your discovering of sin but in that you say No man shall ever be without it and here you plead that men shall serve the devil as long as they live for he that commits sin is of the devil and the servant of sin and such a one is the servant of the devil And whereas you say that Nayler will not hear of the Saints being sick or under any spiritual imperfection your Charge is false for the Saints growth I own and the time of a childe I own and the growth till the overcoming and do not deny seeking after the healings of the blood of Christ but witness it effectual for cleansing and overcoming which you deny and say that to witness perfection and holiness and the overcoming of sin is really to plead for sin and to strengthen the bars of the kingdom of Satan And that which the Saints have witnessed and do witness you would render it under the name of Conceit and charge them to make the blood of Christ in vain But whether do they who witness the end for which the blood of Christ was given which is to cleanse from all sin 1 Joh. 1. 7. or they that deny it make it in vain And whereas you say The practice of Quakers both in their speaking and writing is never to send souls to the blood of Christ but to their own light to save them O you filthy slanderers who matter not what you speak against the truth Where did ever the Quakers either in speaking or writing deny the blood of Christ or send any to their own light to save them but to the light of Christ and to the blood of Christ For what is our own is darkness but Christ the light of the world we witness and this light shining out of darkness And whereas you use many words and bring many Scriptures as to make people believe that we hold the blood of Christ needless or that men can be cleansed without it that is your deceit for all are miserable till they be cleansed by Christ and then Who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect whose sins are taken away by the Lamb of God And such deny self-righteousnes And though Paul did witness his warfare which we witness also in our measure yet afterward he did witness his overcoming and being more then a conqueror And whereas you talk of covering sins daily his sins who are once covered are not daily to cover but once for ever if he abide in Christ and return not into sin again and are made heirs of the righteousness of God and such deny self-righteousness And whereas you charge us with blasphemous heresie denying the Lord that bought us railing pride lying reproaching the Ordinance of God and Messengers of Jesus we deny it and this shall stand for your selves For blasphemies and heresies you that would draw people from the teachings of Christ are guilty of them and the Lord that bought us we own whom you that are sold to sin cannot witness Railing pride and lying we abhor and witness against them in you who live in them and therefore you hate us The Ordinance of God we own but deny your traditions The Messengers of Jesus we own and their call and deny you who scorn the immediate call of Christ and would cast it off as blasphemy on them whom he hath called and so witness your selves to be of those who run unsent and here you are discovered and your covering is too narrow and your bed is too short And the words of Job we own and deny self-justification and witness our selves justified by Christ and his righteousness brought neer unto us which is not a broken reed as you would call it but will stand us in stead in the evil day And our walking with God in his righteousness is our covering from wrath for which you reproach us and cast it upon us as blasphemy but it is that you may be manifest that you know not the covering of Christs righteousness and holiness in which whoever walk with God are covered from wrath And whereas you say that Christ destroyed the works of the devil for his people upon the Cross and yet men must commit sin while they live here is your confusion laid open to all men and you who live in sin which is a work of the devil he hath not destroyed the works of the devil in you and out of your own mouth be you judged that you are not his people for the work of the devil is alive in you And the cross of Christ you know not for what Christ formerly did destroy upon

and Greek bond and free Col. 3. 11. And this is the true light that enlightens every one that comes into the world John 1. 9. John 8. 12. And you say you have fully proved that all men in the world do need an outward light and that it is the way of Christ to make himself known by outward discoveries and you say you have proved it by arguments I answer Your deceitful arguments I deny and they are no proof to me nor any that fear God who receive that truth by the Spirit and not by arguments but bring one Scripture in plain words that all men need an outward light or that an outward discovery is the way by which Christ makes himself known to his people and till then I deny you and your Philosophy and prove one Saint that ever knew Christ since his ascension but by revelation And what talk you of preaching the Gospel who denies the immediate call of Christ or any hearing his voice or to talke of Officers given for perfecting of the Saints which say none shall ever be perfect while they live which shew you to be none of those Officers given by Christ for the perfecting of the Saints for you plead against such as witness that work and that end And whereas you say That the light spoken of 2 Pet. 1. 19. that Peter doth not send them to a light within but to books and words of the Prophets which Scripture shall witness against your deceit and blindeness for the Apostle exhorts them to wait on the light til the day dawn and the day-star arise in their hearts which is not without nor in books and if the testimony of the old Prophets was a more sure word then that which Peter heard from the mouth of God then it must needs follow that the testimony of the old Prophets who spoke but darkly of Christ and did not see his day though they desired it must be a more sure testimony then the Apostles who were his eye-witnesses and the words of books a more sure word then the voice that came from heaven which was the immediate voice of God which blinde absurdity all who have the Spirit of prophesie which is the sure word and testimony of Jesus shall condemn your blindeness who knows not that sure word of prophesie that was in them And whereas you wish the Reader to observe that Nayler cries down the Scriptures as needless here you would have the Reader to observe your lyes for though the letter doth not discover Christ but the Spirit yet it is not useless for it is a witness against your practice opinions traditions and casts you all amongst the false Prophets and hirelings and herein it is of use and authority and also is a witness without against all who will not own the witness within nor do I cry down the publishing the Gospel by the Ministery nor the hearing God and his word but you who deny the immediate call and the word of God coming to any now denies both the word and Ministery which we own and witness The twelfth Position That there is no need of any outward teaching by reading or hearing the Scriptures opened or applyed And herein you accuse me of shuffling railing and lying because I say you apply the promises of God to them who are in the first birth and preach them up all believers and say men must commit sin while they are here and sow pillows under mens arm-holes now is not this true of you who sprinkle Infants by the faith of their Parents and calls them your flock and receives them to your Ordinances and do you not here preach them up believers within your liberty or Parish though they live in sin and here you sow pillows under every arm-hole and then do you not fine them who refuse to pay you Tythes or hire and so you prepare war against them who put not into your mouthes And you hold forth that none can be free from sin while they live Now where are the lyes or what wrong have I done you let any that is spiritual judge for lying I abhor or to wrong any but I speak the truth of you as your practice doth witness And in your answer to that Scripture which saith They shall no more teach every man his neighbour saying Know the Lord Heb. 8. 11. This you say doth onely concern the children of God and such as have their sins pardoned wherein you exclude all your Parish people from the children of God and pardon of sin for how many have you that are taught of God and needs not your teaching as you say I desire your hearers that they would consider of it that so they might come to the teachings of God and so witness the children of God and sin pardoned and so to witness the everlasting Covenant and no need of your teachings And whereas you tell of 4 Arguments and above 30 plain Scriptures in your Perfect Pharisee Your Arguments I deny and sees them to be deceit and there is not one of the thirty nor in the whole book that doth plainly witness to your way of teaching but the whole Scriptures are against you and all that teach for hire and denies the immediate call and the word of the Lord coming to you Jer. 23. 21 32. And you ask why the Apostle wrote to the Hebrews to teach them if that were the meaning that no man should teach their neighbour I answer To draw them to the teaching of Christ as is plain when he tells them of a growth that need no man to teach them and though he say You have need that one teach you again which is the first Principle of the Oracles of God doth he say this to continue them in a need of that as you would inferre or to shame them that they were not yet grown up to the teachings of God Heb. 6. 1. and out of mans teachings towards perfection And whereas you alledge the exhortation of the Apostles we own it which was to draw up to the light and teaching as is plain in their exhorting them to wait for the appearing of Christ who was their light and life Col. 3. 4. And whereas you say You press all to struggle after that perfection they do not yet enjoy now how this agrees with your saying they shall never be perfect while they live and what encouragement you give them to struggle is evident who tells them they must struggle but never prevail while they live And here you are found to be the juglers you speak of whose teaching is yea and nay And whereas you charge me with casting dirt upon the Scriptures because I say the Holy Ghost did not put it into Chapters and Verses but the hireling-Priests to trade withal Here you appear to be false accusers and the railers and lyars you speak on for I have not spoken one word against the Scriptures but own them as the Holy Ghost gave them forth The thirteenth

acts in you and your pride covetousness and conformities to the world for that Spirit which is infallible leads out of the world and fashions of it and conforms to Christ and they who judge by that Spirit deny the wisdom and learning of the world or to enrich themselves by it The sixteenth Position They cry down baptism with water and the Lords Supper as being but types and shadows ceasing upon the appearance of Christ in them And in your Reply you quarrel that I should say Paul knew what he said when he said Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach 1 Cor. 1. 17. and you say This is to heap sin upon Peter and the rest of the Apostles but that Paul by speaking the truth or I by speaking it after him doth thereby heap sin upon Peter is a strange inference but it is like the rest for there is no truth that I speak but you can inferre a slander from it and how many times in your book have you slandered me for speaking plain Scripture but it is to manifest you to be what you are And whereas you say we cry down baptisme and the Lords Supper It is false for the baptism of John we own which is with water and the baptism of Christ with the holy Ghost and fire we own and the Supper of the Lord we own and our saith feeds upon him and the eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood is our life John 6. 53 54. and we deny your faith which you say is nourished by bread and wine which is carnal and your sprinkling of Infants we deny which you say You can clear up to be an Ordinance of Christ but doth not nor can do it The seventeenth Position That there is no mediate call of the Ministery And you say I contradict my self because I say That the ordaining of Elders by the direction of the Spirit of God was not by man which I again affirm That it was not by man nor of man nor any created power but by the Spirit of God in the Apostles which did impower them with the gift of the holy Ghost to them who were ordained and this was not of man but of God And whereas you would prove your mediate call from this it will not serve your turn who are either called by the cursed Bishops or by earthly Magistrates or else you call one another by your own wills but no appointment of God nor gift of the holy Ghost is witnessed amongst you And whereas you deny that the late commission did ever pretend to put any in the Office of a Minister here all the North may witness against you that you care not what you say to excuse your selves and accuse others though never so false Did not you and those that were in commission call them before you and examined and appointed whom you would and denied whom you would at will and pleasure and your partiality in it the North can witness and now you deny it be ashamed and confounded before all men you shameless creatures this you may call railing as you do the rest where you are told of your deceit And for your fifty five proofs you tell of which you say are not all answered I answer Those that might seem to make for your purpose are answered and for many other you bring they are so full against the end for which you alledge them that they may answer themselves before all that know any thing of Scriptures and to their judgement I leave them and shall not trouble my self or others with things to so little purpose And for your sending and proving your false accusations under hand and seal as you call it here you shew what Spirit acts in you who pursue such unjust things with such eagerness which none of the Saints of God ever did but your reward shall be as your work is and time shall clear the truth when you have vented your envie Now to that you call our Principles And first Not to salute any And here you accuse us to deny high-way salutes and when you have done you say High-way salutes is our known practise but how doth this agree honesty would never have accused us to deny what is our known practice unless you could have proved that we had denied to salute any as you falsly accuse us for the salutation of the Saints we own and practice and deny your heathenish customes that are used without the fear of God And whereas you bring the practice of some in the old Testament to overturn the Commands of Christ in the new I answer No contrary practice of any though the best of Saints can be a ground for me to break the Command of Christ neither had they whom you instance as Jacob and Abigal any command for what they did to bow down or fall to the ground but rather did it out of fear and weakness Now if any had alledged these to those whom Christ sent out had that been a ground for them to have broken Christs Command to follow their practice without command and it is the same now Christ who hath sent us forth hath commanded us to deny your vain customs and not to salute any by the way and this we witness and practice whatever they did in the old time and here we leave you who are in the world to your traditions of the world follow Christ so witness against all the vanities out of which we are called And for that place in 2 Joh. 10. which you would alledge to keep up the worlds customes which is clear against you for the Apostle there commands Not to bid God speed to any transgressor that doth not abide in the doctrine of Christ and who hath not the Father and the Son for if they bade God speed to any of them they were partakers of their evil deeds Now they who fear God had need take heed whom they bid God speed to for few are found who have in them the Father and the Son and are no transgressors and now how this makes for your God speed to all any that fear God may see and be warned of your deceit lest they partake of other mens evil deeds And so it 's plain the Saints were forbidden to salute any but Saints though you call it Publican-like And whereas you say in Mat. 5. 37. is a command to salute all I answer If that was so as you speak A general command to salute all then doth Christ contradict himself when he commands Not to salute any by the way and so you will make Christ yea nay but it is plain that Christ is there exhorting to love and not to salutation wherein he would have them to exceed the Heathen who shewed their partiality in saluting their friends onely which was a token of their love to be partial but if this were a Command of Christ To salute all and binding to them who had received a command to the

write his letter upon to the Priest of Newcastle and they put it in print to minister forth his lyes that their folly might be made manifest to all the Country and truth confirmed and the deceit trodden upon And Moor which sent his lying wench as his own hearers calls her she came to me three times to Robert Wither's and she scoft and she was asked if Christ taught her to scoff and she said He did teach her to scoff and before her face it was written down and she was denied to talk of the Scriptures that is a scoffer And the lyer would have known what Scripture there had been for foming at the mouth and wherever did he read of any such unless it were such that were possessed with the devil she said he denied that any of theirs did till Jane Withers was pointed out and then she said he confessed it Oh thou lyer and slanderer God will make thee an example to all lyers and they that witness for Jane Withers which are of the Priests own hearers some will witness against thee to be a lyer and one that matters not what thou speakest and before James's face she was proved a slanderer and a lyer and lying is a sin and he denies it and to say he confessed that Jane Withers fomed at the mouth is a lye and many will witness against it And here thou Moor that art for the lake who fathers lyes thy own hearers will witness against thee And whereas you say she asked him if lying was a sin here in this you are proved to be lying and sinning and so with the just you lyers are judged and condemned for the lake eternally though thou may think a while to please the world But Oh thou Harlot thy wo and misery is coming Some Scriptures given forth about travailing as I said I will cry as a travailing woman Isa 42. 14. Isa 63. 1. travailing in the greatnes of his strength Rom. 8. 22. travaileth in pain together Micah 4. 3. She which travaileth hath brought forth Isa 21. 3. as the pargs on a woman in travail Habakkuk whose belly trembled And here Moor and his messenger seems to be ignorant of the Letter and wonderers which are to perish And the Priests of Newcastle which said they could not but smile at James Nayler hath declared themselves to be the mockers that should come in the last time and the maid which they printed her lyes said that Christ taught her to scoff before many witnesses And here they shew what generation they are on like Priest like people for they who dwell in the Truth can scarcely pass up and down for your scoffing generation but to us your reproaches are great riches and knowing that you and your generation is for condemnation which stumble at the light The second Practice Railing and you instance these words Thou art damned and I see the devil in thy face and this you say is the first salute to all we meet with to which I answer Thousands in the Country shall witness you false accusers which we have met with past by and spoke not one word to them but you are shameless and care not what you say against us and for words which have been spoken to some of you which you call railing you will finde them one day to be no railings but the language of the Spirit upon the head of the man of sin in you though for the present you will not own them The third Practice Their pretending upon all occasions to be sent by a special commission from God To this I answer What have you to do to speak of or how can you judge of them that are sent by God who deny the immediate call and scorns it and knows it not can you judge of that you know not who knows not the word of God nor his call And whereas you say I knew not the things in particular and yet I take the boldness to call them lyes I answer Your words are false for I say I knew not the things in particular and therefore could say little but finding your book stufe with lyes and untruths gave me cause to see many of these to be like the rest which is not to call them lyes as you say and now judge of your own conscience as you say And for denying that any that were before the Magistrates were invited to any of your houses are not my words but the words of one who was before the Magistrates as will appear in the margent though you so rashly cast it upon me and here it may be seen who it is that rusheth upon a lye which you charge me to do but are found the lyers your selves neither did you invite any of them which were called before the magistrates as appears both by their own witness and your own confession for you say it was Tho. Tayler you invited who was not then called before the Magistrates nor imprisoned And you that call it immodest for the Saints to greet one another with a kiss and would slander by it may as well accuse the Apostle for immodest who exhorteth the Saints to it and was this the thing you kept so close when you said to say no more It seemed by those words to have been some hainous thing and not the Apostles exhortation and Saints practice but you want matter to accuse of And for what Wallis said there was witness enough and all your fending and proving cannot stop the truth but make your deceit more appear And for your reason you shew why you called your book The Perfect Pharisee and you say That title is most properly applied to us I answer It 's most properly applied to them who are found to walk in the steps of the Pharisees and whether that be us or you let your practices judge and all that see us and all your practice shall witness with me that I have not wronged or belyed you as you would make people believe but let any honest heart who reads both our books judge betwixt us who are the slanderers lyers and railers which you would cast upon me but the thing is evident to all and you cannot be hid who have nothing to judge withal and it is of God to discover you to all that you may deceive no longer Blessed be our God who is revealing the man of sin who hath acted in a mystery and is delivering his people from your mouthes and redeeming them to himself who is holy praises be to our God for ever and let all the children of light praise him for ever And if any scruple why the servants of God should be made signs and wonders to this generation I refer them for satisfaction to a printed paper called A Wo to Kendal in the County of Westmoreland in which you shall finde the dear servants of God made signes and wonders to the generation of the wicked then and confounding the sepents wisdom acting strange things by the immediate