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A85386	Calumny arraign'd and cast. Or A briefe answer to some extravagant and rank passages, lately fallen from the pen of William Prynne, Esquire, in a late discourse, entituled, Truth triumphing over falshood, &c. against Mr John Goodwin, Minister of the Gospel. Wherein the loyall, unfeigned and unstained affection of the said John Goodwin to the Parliament, and civill magistracie, is irrefragably and fully vindicated and asserted against those broad and unchristian imputations, most untruly suggested in the said discourse against him. By the said John Goodvvin. Licensed entered and printed according to order.	Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1645 (1645)	Wing G1153; Thomason E26_18; ESTC R12923	51,593	64

consideration in due place And by such passages as this it seems he is every whit as meer a Lawyer as I a Divine and consequently of no such super-transcendent abilities neither to discerne and judge of the Rights and Privileges of Parliament as will be manifested in due time For he that knowes not that God is no wayes offended with men for having wicked unjust scandals cast upon them surely had need to be taught what are the first principles of the Oracles of God a And 2. Whereas in the beginning of the last transcribed passage he speakes thus Your last clause And if continued c. intimates and speakes loud without any strayning that c. doth hee not seem to rejoyce as if now he had met with a full feast and had onely scrambled for all he had gotten and satisfied his hunger with till now And doth he not without any strayning seem to imply that all my former clauses without straining would have spake none of those things which now by his rackes screws and engines he hath made them to speak So that here we have confitentem rerum oh that we had but the Participle as well match'd as the Adjective that is by interpretation emendantem confitentem and then let both our bookes to the fire together to purge out the drosse of them b But 3. The grand unhappinesse of the man is that what I speake onely in thesi or in the generall throughout the whole period or passage wherein this clause And if contemned c. stands hee here represents upon the Stage of his passion as if it had been spoken in hypothesi with particular and precise application to the Parliament The whole period though it be somewhat long yet that the Reader may not be denied any part of his due in point of satisfaction I shall transcribe ab ovo usque ad mala as it begins at the bottome of page 2. of my Innocencies Triumph I confesse I am in the habituall and standing frame of my heart and spirit tender and jealous over all the world and much more over those who are deare unto me but most of all over those who being deere unto me are likewise more exposed then others unto the tentation and danger of the sinne extreamly jealous and tender I say I am over such lest they should touch with any title or claim the most sacred and incommunicable royalties and privileges of heaven and so count it no robbery to make themselves equall to God knowing most assuredly that this is a high provocation in the eyes of the most High and if continued in will kindle a fire in the breast of him whose name is Jealous and will consume and devoure I confesse I spake in some passages before this of the Parliament by name nor doe I deny all relation between this and the former but all the relation that can reasonably be imagined between the one and the other will not amount so much as to a colourable justification of this high-handed and full-mouth'd charge that the latter speaks aloud without any strayning that the Parliament is guilty of dashing c. of claiming c. And that if c. These are every whit as pure and clean straines of that disposition which acted in the former part of this exposition as any of those other which have playd before us already And 4. Suppose the period had been perfectly Hypotheticall and the contents of it applied to the Parliament by name yet it is farre from speaking the dialect that Mr. Prynne would fain force into the mouth of it He that shall represent the great evill or danger of a sinne as suppose of oppression drunkennesse adultery or the like unto a man in these or the like terms Know most assuredly that such a sinne is a most high provocation in the eyes of the most High and then should adde And if continued in will kindle a fire in the breast of him whose name is Jealous c. doth no wayes suppose that the person to whom such an addresse or representation is made is under the present actuall guilt of the perpetration of such a sinne but onely demonstrates the dangerous and deadly consequence of it unto him in case he shall be intangled with the guilt and continue in the perpetration of it without repentance Therefore Mr. Prynnes lucubration and collection that this clause And if continued c. speaks aloud without any strayning any such Parliamentary guilt as he deciphers with his pen is nocturnall neither is there so much as a beam of the light of truth in it 5. Whereas he chargeth that innocently-offending clause of mine And if continued c. both to intimate and speak aloud and that without any straining that high misdemeanour lately mentioned little lesse then capitall to him that shall avouch it I cannot conceive any regular consistence in the charge For though one and the same man who hath a liberty and power both to alter his tone and voyce and tenour of expression may one while only intimate i. whisper or expresse a thing sparingly and otherwhile speake it out aloud with a full and strong voyce though hardly thus without any straining at all yet how one and the same clause in writing which hath neither principle nor shadow of any variation or change of expression in it but is still uniforme and standing both in the matter which and in the manner wherein it speaketh should both intimate or whisper and yet speak aloud too one and the same thing is a saying divided in it selfe and which my understanding knoweth not how to make to stand But thus God many times makes both tongues and pens which imagine evill against others to f●ll upon themselves a 6. And lastly whereas he pretends the forementioned clause And if continued c. guilty of speaking aloud and without any straining the prenamed enormitie the truth is that this charge speaks aloud and without any straining that Mr. Prynne loves all devouring words b whether they be words of sobernesse and truth c or of another inspiration Is it not very strange and a miracles fellow at least if not a miracle that Mr. Prynnes hearing should be so predominant in the world that he alone should heare a loud s●eaking where all the world besides could not heare the least muttering or whisper But when men have Brick to make and want straw they must bee content to gather stubble in stead of it d The builders of Babel were fain to make use of slime in stead of mortar e {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} were a generation of men in Plato's dayes the line it seems is not yet extinct Many other passages there are in this Triumphing discourse wherein the author doth miserable carnifice other words and passages of mine but Caesars image and superscription may bee seen in a peny f as well as in a pound But because the great

of God 3. And lastly whereas he brands me for an incorrigible Delinquent and elswhere for one impenitent after censure a I answer and confesse 1. That I am incorrigible indeed by a crooked rule as the Apostles themselves were when being charged and commanded by a whole Councell not to speak at all or teach in the Name of Jesus they notwithstanding professed that they could not but speak the things which they had seen and heard b Rectitude is alwayes unrectifiable i. incorrigible And 2. I answer and confesse yet further that I am impenitent also in respect of that wherein I know no unrighteousnes or sin The truth is I am conscious to my self of too many sinnes and failings in my selfe to cast away my Repentance upon such things as need it not If I can find repentance for all my finnes I shall leave all my other actions to be lamented and mourned over by the world If Mr. Prynne will indict me for such incorrigiblenesse and impenitency as these so be it I know the great Judge of heaven and earth will acquit me And thus you see that Mr. Pryn still stands as a man convicted of an unrighteous charge in the word PRESUMPTUOUSLY haeret lateri lathalis arundo the arrow sticks still in his sides and all his wringling and wresting and pulling cannot get it out His last charge and contest against me in this peece is that the Authors which I cite to justifie my selfe are miserably wrested and mistaken for the most part The common saying is That it 's ill halting before a creeple The Proverb seems to import some dexterousness of faculty in him that halts continually to take those tardy who onely counterfeit and doe that by way of designe which himselfe doth out of necessitie The truth is though Mr. Prynne may reasonably be conceived to have a more sagacious facultie then other men of taking those with the very manner who wrest Authors and mistake their meaning as being a man so familiarly exercised in the practise himself I speak of his writings against my self yet either his skill fails him or his will stands too fast by him in the sentence pronounced against me in this kind as will appear presently In the mean while I cannot but take notice of that expression mistaken for the most part as an expression of the greatest caution and care that to my best remembrance I have met with in all that he hath written against me It is very rare to find any of his uncharitable assertions concerning me at all bridled or corrected with any allay of any diminutive lenitive limitation or restraint but the saying I remember is that he goes farre that never returns But let us hearken unto his complaint of the behalf of those Authors whom he so bewaileth as being miserably wrested by me The first is his Friend Mr. Edwards from whose unaunswerable a piece of Presbyterie I cite this passage The Parliament interposeth no Authority to determine what Government shall be and gather upon it thus therefore his opinion APPEARS to be not as Mr. Prynne whose pen I see loves to play at small game in mis-reports rather then sit out recites it soon after Therefore his opinion is either that the Parliament hath no Authoritie or at least intends not to make use of it it determining a Government How miserably this good well-meaning Author is by me wrested he declares thus It was written onely with reference to the present time the Parliament having at that time when he writ during the Assemblies debate and consultation interposed no Authority is determine what Government shall be But good Sir though you it may be hit the meaning of the Author better then I having and the opportunity to consult with him about it which I have not yet I am sure I hit the meaning of his words better then you If men and their words will be of two different minds and meanings I confesse their meanings may very easily be mistaken not by me onely but by those that are wiser and farre more able then I to understand stand the force and proper import of words And yet now I come upon this occasion to review my expression I find it more cautions and warie then I can remember my self to have been in the calculation or inditing of it and altogether free even from that cavilling and shifting exception which is here made against it For I do not absolutely say or conclude that his opinion was or is either so or so as Mr. Prynne pro more suo chargeth me to do but onely that it appears to be either the one or the other and I think there is scarce any that understands English from the child that hath new learn'd his Primer to the greatest Master in the language but will acknowledge an appearance at least of one or other of those opinions in the words And how anomalous and sharking that interpretation of the words which Mr. Prynne would force upon them is will best appear by comparing the words and interpretation with other expressions of the same Grammaticall character and construction both in the same Author and in others When p. 170. of his Antapologie he cites this saying out of Zanchie that which doth not disturbe the publique peace the Magistrate PROCEEDETH not against doth he imagine that the meaning of this Author was to confine that non-proceeding of the Magistrate he speaks of to the particular and precise time of his writing as if then indeed he did not so proceed but at all other times he did So again when himself p. 169. of the same Tract saith thus the power of the Magistrate by which he punisheth sin doth not subserve to the Kingdom of Christ the Mediator can any reasonable man think that his meaning onely should be that this power of the Magistrate which he speaks of doth not thus subserve whilest he is in speaking or writing it but that afterwards it may or doth subserve in such a kind Apagè nugas when the Evangelist John speaking of Christ saith thus This was the true light that LIGHTETH every man that cometh into the world b is his meaning that Christ performed that act of grace he speaks of enlightened men coming into the world onely whilest he was writing his Gospel and that afterwards he suspended it In such constructions of speech as this the common Rule of Divines touching matter of Interpretation is that verbum praesentis notat actum continuum seu consuetum i. a verb of the present tense noteth a continued or still accustomed act So that whilest Mr. Prynne goes about to prove that I miserably wrest his Author how favourably soever he may deal with his Author in comparison of my dealing with him certain I am that he miserably wrests his words with which I deal as favourably as their genuine and native signification according to all rules both of Grammaticall and Rhetoricall construction will bear As for that

CALUMNY ARRAIGN'D AND CAST OR A Briefe Answer to some extravagant and rank passages lately fallen from the pen of WILLIAM PRYNNE Esquire in a late Discourse entituled Truth Triumphing over Falshood c. against Mr John Goodwin Minister of the Gospel Wherein the loyall unfeigned and unstained affection of the said John Goodwin to the Parliament and Civill Magistracie is irrefragably and fully vindicated and asserted against those broad and unchristian imputations most untruly suggested in the said Discourse against him By the said JOHN GOODVVIN Psal. 56. 5. Every day they wrest my words all their thoughts are against me for evill Psal. 120. 2. Deliver my soule O Lord from lying lips and from a deceitfull tongue Gal. 3. 4. Have yee suffered so many things in vaine if yet it be in vaine Praeceptum trahit praeceptum transgressio trahit transgressionem Dictum Hebraeorum ex Mercero in Prov. 22. 4. Apologiae nullas aures inveniunt calumniae omnes praeoccupant Oecolam Epist. Licensed Entered and Printed according to Order LONDON Printed by M. Simmons for Henry Overton and are to be sold at his Shop in Popes-head-Alley 1645. TO THE READER READER MY businesse with thee at present is not much Onely upon occasion of those passages of my Antagonist replied unto in the following Discourse I could not without breach of dutie but administer this Preservative unto thee against the danger of very many writings on that side that if thou beleevest them especially in what they present concerning either the persons or opinions of their Adversaries without strict examination thou art like to imbrace nubem pro Junone and to match thy understanding with untruth Which kind of marriage oft-times and in many cases proves of as sad and unhappie consequence unto men as Ahabs joyning himself in this relation with Jezabel did unto him concerning whom the sacred Record avoucheth this That there was none like Ahab who did sell himself to work wickednesse in the sight of the Lord whom Jezabel his wise provoked a Errors and misprisions concerning the persons practises and opinions of men having taken the fancies and imaginations of some men many times work them into very uncouth violent unseemly and unchristian distempers which makes them out of measure forgetfull of themselves and of all rules of reason equitie and good conscience in their representations of and contestations against both the one and the other Especially when the speciall and particular points of difference between them and others are of a difficult eviction and clearing on their parts the resentment hereof is a sore temptation upon them to make many a voyage beyond the line of Truth to fetch Apes and Peacocks and I know not what monsters both of practises and opinions to bestow upon them that so the uncontroverted disparagement which they hope to derive upon their opposites by such imputations as these may help to mediate the like disparagement of their judgements in those other matters of difference in the thoughts and minds of men Nor doth an Accuser ordinarily open his mouth to that widenesse or lift up his voyce to that strength and straine of clamour when he can come by any thing that is reall and matter of truth to make his accusation as when he is constrained to serve his disposition in that kinde with that which is fictitious and pretended onely The Jews that sought the suppression and ruine of our Saviour not being able to prove any thing of reall demerit against him for Pilate himself knew well that they had delivered him out of envie a thought to fill up the emptinesse of their cause or accusation with the abundant loudnesse and importunitie of their clamour and cry But they CRYED AWAY WITH HIM AWAY WITH HIM crucifie him And in another place because they could not with truth reprove him of any sin b being put upon it to feigne they did it to purpose and charged him with being a Samaritan and having a Devill c Who would have thought that the Gentleman my Antagonist in the ensuing pages or A. S. the Duplicator against M. S. and some others of the same engagement that I could name would ever have sought protection for the cause they desire to maintaine at those polluted Sanctuaries of untruth If our opinions know not how to maintaine themselves and live without the undue disparagement or collaterall impeachment of those who are of opposite judgement to us therein it is a sore testimony against them that they are but counterfeits and not of the royall line and race of Truth who is able to maintaine all her legitimate off-spring with her owne demeans and native inheritance without the unjust taxations of the reputation practises or opinions of her Adversaries Till the Sons of Difference in matters controversiall give over all wresting at least all wilfull wresting and perverting of the sayings doings and opinions of their opposites and catching at impertinencies and lighter oversights and lie close in their reasonings to the points in difference they will never doe any great matter either for the truth or for their owne Repute amongst sober and advised men This briefe advertisement I thought needfull to impart unto thee and if thou hast the taste and relish of it in thy spirit I have nothing by way of transaction further with thee for the present but onely to expresse my desires unto God on thy behalf that the perusall of the little piece ensuing may either make or keepe thy thoughts streight concerning the man a friend of thine who ever thou beest whom thou shalt finde fiercely accused and yet I hope sufficiently though calmely acquitted therein It is a speciall grace of GOD vouchsafed unto thee to be preserved from making that crooked which he hath made streight From my Study in Colemanstreet London Jan. 30. 1644. Thine in Him who is our all in all JOHN GOODVVIN Faults escaped in some Copies PAg. 5. l. 24. for confidence r. confidence Pag. 18. l. 24. for rerum r. reum Ibidem l. 30. for contemned r. continued Pag. 28. l. 6. for rf r. of Pag. 32. l. 30. for right r. Law Pag. 35. l. 18. for declare r. decline Pag. 39. l. 15. for not onely r. not onely not Pag. 42. l. 13. for shacking r sharking Pag. 44. l. 31. for commodious r. commodiously Pag. 46. l. 20. for yet and r. and yet CALUMNY ARRAIGN'D AND CAST SInce the finishing of my lately publish'd a Discourse my Antagonist having as it seems by his own expression b sacrificed the necessary naturall rest of his body upon the service of the un-necessary and violent restlesnesse of his spirit hath thereby gotten the opportunitie of doing very good service to the way of Independencie so called by sending forth a Discourse into the world intituled Truth triumphing over Falshood i. by the figure Hypallage Falshood triumphing over Truth For whereas the weight of his credit and reputation before lay somewhat heavy

portraictures and sets out tends in the nature and constitution of it to the benefit safety or good of the Parliament I shall soone be his convert and cause my present apprehensions in the point to bowe downe at the feet of his This for the second head propounded For the third and last the insufficiencie or to speak the dialect of his own pen the impotencie of those few exceptions which he makes against some few particulars in my Innocencies Triumph such as he conceives it seems to be more soft and tractable under his exceptious pen First to salve a sore that will never be perfectly healed to justifie I meane his Indictment against me that I did not only or simply undermine the undoubted priviledges of Parliament by the very roots this being not a charge as it seems worthy the indignation or discontent of Mr. Prynnes pen but that I perpetrated this high misdemeanour PRESVMPTVOVSLY he informes us as matter of high concernment to his cause and honour that Grammarians Lawyers and Divines informe us that the word Presumptuous comes from the verb Praesumo which verb he presumes will accommodate him with one or other of those various significations which with great care and circumspection that none be wanting he there musters and enumerates And because the honour and validitie of this his purgation rests altogether upon such significations or acceptions of his verb as are most mens mysteries therefore in his margent he calls in Thomas Aquinas Calepine with some others for his compurgators But Good Sir did you either expect or intend that either the Parliament or your other readers should be so above measure tender either of your reputation or of mine as that meeting with the word PRESVMPTVOVSLY in your indictment against me they would goe and search Calepine Thomas Aquinas Holy-oake Media-villa and I know not how many more to informe themselves in how many senses or significations the word might be taken lest otherwise they should take you tardy with an unjust crimination or me with a foule crime What you may conceive them likely to doe in this kind out of tendernesse of respect to your reputation I will not prejudge but to deale plainly with you I expect no such quarter from any of your Readers for the preservation of mine They that have a mind to beleeve you in that point of your charge yea and indeed any other considering other expressions of yours of the like importance are like to take the word Presumptuously according to the vulgar and most familiar signification of it in common parlance and that which is next at hand in which signification it doth nothing lesse then import all that varietie you speak of but a plaine wilfull as your word elsewhere is perpetration of an evill and as for the three last significations which you fasten upon it as that it signifies against Authoritie or Lawes or upon hopes of impunitie though I have not the Authors by me upon whom you father the proprietie of these significations to examine the truth of what in this you affirme yet am I very strong of Faith that men of learning and judgement as most of the Authors you cite were never assigned any of these three senses or importances as the proper and legitimate acceptions or significations of the word When John the Baptist told Herod a man in great Authoritie to his face that it was not lawfull for him to have Herodias his Brother Philips wife a was this done PRESVMPTVOVSLY especially in the proper signification of the word Againe when Shadrach Meshach and Abednego refus'd to submit to that Decree or Law which Nebuchadnezzar and his Nobles had made which commanded all to fall downe and worship the golden image which the King had set up b and so when Daniel trangress'd that Law or Statute which Darius and his Nobles had decreed and established according to the Law of the Medes and Persians which altereth not c by kneeling upon his knees three times a day praying unto and praising God with his chamber-window open towards Jerusalem did either of these sin or doe any thing under the Interpretation aforesaid PRESVMPTVOVSLY Mr. Prynne himself I presume dedicated these his Lucubrations to the Parliament upon hopes yea upon more then hopes of impunitie upon hopes of Grace and Acceptation hath he therefore done PRESVMPTVOVSLY I am content in this sense to own the word PRESVMPTVOVSLY in my prementioned charge and confesse that I did that which he calling it quite out of its name calls an undermining of the undoubted Priviledges of Parliament c. PRESVMPTVOVSLY i. I did upon hopes yea and somewhat more then upon hopes of impunitie upon hopes of acceptation both with God and men And if Mr. Prynne would have pleas'd but to have declar'd in his margent or otherwise that in the aforesaid indictment he meant the word PRESVMPTVOVSLY in this sense and no other he had saved me a double and himself a single labour if not a double also for I should not have lift up so much as a word of exception against it But let us see a little how like a man he quits himself in vindicating the truth and equitie of his so-dearly-beloved terme PRESVMPTVOVSLY as it stands or lies which you will in the controverted indictment His first signification of the verb PRAESVMO is to forestall and to prove that in this sense of the word I committed the capitall crime objected PRESVMPTVOVSLY he reasons or rather talks thus First you preached and printed those passages of purpose to forestall the Parliaments and Assemblies pious resolutions c. But Mr. Prynne there is a rule in the civill Law and because there is so much reason in it I conceive your Common Law complyes with it which sounds thus Non esse non appaerere aequiparantur in Jure How will you doe for witnesse or evidences competent in Law to make it appeare that I printed and preached the passages you speak of for such a purpose as you pretend can you find the present thoughts or purposes of all particular men in this age in the ancient Records which beare date from the darkest times of Popery Or hath the Omniscient anointed your eyes with any such eye-salve which makes you able to see into the hearts and reins and spirits of men or have I acknowledged either in writing or otherwise any such intent or purpose as you speak of in those passages or is it beyond the upper region of possibilities that I should have any other purpose in them then what you affirme When you print that I printed the passages you mention of purpose to forestall the pious resolutions of the Parliament doe you print this OF PVRPOSE to forestall the pious inclinations or resolutions of the Parliament not to make more offenders by punishment then were made such before by delinquencie Or when you printed that Christ hath delegated his Kingly Office unto Kings Magistrates and highest civill powers a

reason which Mr. Prynne alledgeth to countenance the sense which he puts upon the words now contested about to the disparagement of mine viz. that be maintains point-blank against me throughout his Treatise a legislative and coercive power in Parliaments and that the inference which I draw from the said words is quite contrarie to the next ensuing words and pages I answer 1. To the former part of the Reason that it is most untrue he doth not maintain point-blank against me throughout his Treatise a legislative and coercive power in Parliaments and civill Magistrates I every where acknowledge and assert a civill legislative power in both therefore Mr. Edwards maintaining such a power in them maintains nothing point-blank against me And whether he maintains a spirituall or Ecclesiasticall legislative power in them especially throughout his Treatise let this passage be witnesse between me and my Adversarie There is nothing more common in the writings of the learned and orthodox then to shew that the civill power and Government of the Magistrate and the Ecclesiasticall Government of the Church are to genere disjoyned and thereupon the power of the Magistrate by which he deals with the corrupt manners and disorders of his people it in the nature and specificall reason distinct from Ecclesiasticall discipline a I know not what artificiall construction and meaning Mr. Prynne may possibly find out for these words but surely he that hath not affirm'd the contrarie as Mr. Prynne very inconsiderately that I say not PRESUMPTUOUSLY hath done will not affirm that Mr. Edw. in this passage maintains an Ecclesiasticall legislative power in Parliaments or civill Magistrates but the contrary yea and affirms this to be the common judgement of men learned and orthodox So again when he affirms p. 282. that it is their duty speaking of the Parliament by their power and Authority to bind men to the Decrees of the Assembly he doth not doubtlesse maintain an Ecclesiasticall legislative power in the Parliament for they that have such a power cannot be bound in dutie to own the Laws or Decrees of others much lesse to bind others to subjection to them I omit many other passages in this book of like importance The truth is that Mr. Prynnes opinion concerning an Ecclesiasticall spirituall Jurisdiction in the Civill Magistrate which yet is his grand notion in all that he hath written upon the subject of Presbyterie overthrows the main grounds and principall foundations upon which the Doctrine of Presbyterie is built by all her ablest and most skilfull workmen Insomuch that I wonder not a little that the Masters of that way and Judgement have not appeared at another manner of rate then yet they have done for the vindication of their principles against him that hath made so sore a breach upon them and laid their honour in the dust Somewhat I know some of them have done in this kind but the Prophet Elisha reproved the King of Israel for smiting thrice onely upon the ground and then ceasing telling him that he should have smitten five or six times 2. To the latter part of the Reason I answer and confesse that the inference I draw from the words mentioned may very possibly be quite contrarie to the next ensuing words and pages and yet the sense of them no wayes wrested nor mistaken by me because it is familiar in the Discourse for the Author to contradict himself as well as other men according to one of the ingredients in that most true and happie character of the Discourse given by a woman who describes it to be wrangling-insinuating-contradictory-revengefull storie b And the truth is that in the eye of an unpartiall and disengaged Reader there is scarce any passage or period throughout the whole Discourse but may be commodiously enough reduced under one of these 4. heads And therefore whereas Mr. Prynne gives this elogium of it that it is in truth unanswerable c I confesse that unanswerable it is in severall respects and sundrie wayes First it is unanswerable to that esteeme which my self with many others had of the Author formerly Secondly unanswerable it is to that opinion which he would have the world conceive of his parts and learning and in speciall manner of his abilities to deal in the particular controversie Thirdly it is unanswerable to his profession as he is a Christian Fourthly much more unanswerable is it to his calling as he is a Minister of Jesus Christ and of the Gospel And fifthly and lastly most unanswerable it is to those frequent solemn and large professions which he makes both in his Epistle and elsewhere of his love to the Apologists and candor and fairnesse in writing But for any such unanswerablenesse as Mr. Prynne intends the one part of it will not indure that such a thing should be spoken of the other there being enough in the Discourse it self to answer whatsoever is to be found in it of any materiall consideration against the Congregationall way as will in time convenient be made manifest in the sight of the Sun God not preventing by more then an ordinarie or at least expected hand And whereas Mr. Prynne glorieth and that twice over at least for failing that it hath not been hitherto answered by the Independents d I answer three things First that neither hath Mris Katharine Chidleys Answer to Mr. Edwards his Reasons against Independencie and Toleration been yet replyed unto or answered either by Mr. Edwards himself or any other of his partie notwithstanding the said Answer be but a small piece in comparison of the Antapologie and besides hath been some yeers longer abroad then this Besides this there are many other Tractates and Discourses extant and so have been a long time in defence of the Congregationall way which as yet have not been so much as attempted by any Classique Author whatsoever A particular of some of these you may see p. 65. of my Innocencie and Truth triumphing together in the Margent As for that which A. S. or in words at large Adam Steuart hath lift up his pen to do against M. S. if men will needs vote it for an Answer an Answer so called let it be * but doubtlesse he that wants either will or skill to distinguish between the persons and the distempers of men is in an ill capacitie or incapacitie rather of framing any sober answer to a sober Discourse Secondly Mr. Edwards himself the smallnesse of the content of the Apologeticall Narration considered took not a whit lesse time to give answer to it then hath yet been taken by the Independents to answer the Antapologie But thirdly and lastly if Mr. Prynne knew and considered who it was that hath hindered the Independents and that once and again from answering it as yet viz. he that sometimes hindred Pauls coming to the Thessalonians e though in Mr. Edwards apprehension he both hastened and furthered the coming back of the Apologists into England f he

of Presbyterie and did not his writings more accommodate that cause and partie by the weight of their Authoritie and height of language and confidence together with unparalleld bitternesse against his opposites then by their worth in strength of reason I beleeve they would hardly think them worthy to be numbred amongst their Benefactors But notwithstanding all that Mr. Prynne hath done or said to or against me or my Innocencies Triumph in particular in the 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 pages of this his Discourse yet his spes gregis the strength of his hope that he hath done sufficient execution upon me rests onely upon his former sections however the Question of many concerning them is Cui bono He tells me that my own conscience and judgement cannot but informe me that he hath written enough in the former Sections to convince me and all the world besides that I have not onely violated but denyed oppugned those Priviledges of Parliament in Ecclesiasticall affaires which our own Parliaments in all ages and Parliamentary Assemblies in all other Kingdomes have unquestionably exercised c. I answer 1. I confesse that in the former sections he hath written enough quantitativè to convince any reasonable man if not all the world of any errour or mistake whatsoever but much too little qualitativè to convince either me or any reasonable man that I have violated or oppugned any Priviledge of Parliament I have farre more reason to conceive and hope that in this and my last-published Discourse I have written enough both wayes to convince both him and all the world that I have NOT violated or oppugned any Priviledge of Parliament truly or with the consent of Heaven so called If he intends to conclude that therefore I have violated oppugned the Privileges of Parliament because I have argued against some positions or opinions which Mr. Prynne with some others are pleased to call Priviledges of Parliament the Logician who is a man of reason will answer for me that à terminis diminuentibus non sequitur argumentatio It doth not follow that a piece of metall or coyne is therefore gold because it is counterfeit gold nor that Mr. Prynnes Great Grandfather is a man because he is a dead man If he can or shall fairly demonstrate unto me though in a far lesse content of words then his three former sections amount unto that any act practise or exercise either by continuance or succession of time or by frequencie of repetition or customarinesse of reiteration by connivencie or want of opposition from men must needs change the nature and kind of it and of sinfull become lawfull he shall by such a demonstration as this put life into his former sections and render them potent for that conviction which he expects from them but till this be done that great bulk and body of things done in the dark and time out of minde will partake of that infirmitie which the Author himself acknowledgeth as cleaving to the Discourse I meane impotencie a and can with no tolerable pretence of reason or equitie demand that interest in the judgements consciences understandings of men which he challengeth it seems on their behalfe It is as poore and low a designe onely by alledging the examples opinions or judgements of men to attempt the conviction of him that builds his opinion upon the Scriptures word of God yea though he builds besides his foundation as it would be in a man to carry a sack of chaffe to the market hoping to bring home a like quantitie of wheat for it without giving any other price Yea to alledge and cite the Scriptures themselves though in never such an abundance without close arguing and binding them to our cause is a means of very small hope whereby to prevaile or doe good upon such a man who holds his opinion not barely or simply upon a supposall of Scripture-Authoritie for it but upon Scripture thoroughly debated and by principles of sound reason and naturall deductions brought home unto his judgement and cause Againe 2. in all that great body of premisses contained in all the former Sections he speaks of there is not one word syllable letter or tittle to prove that maine ingredient in his Conclusion unquestionably exercised Logicians justly reject and exauthorize all such Conclusions which swell above the line of their premisses By all the tables and donaries presented unto Neptune by those that in Shipwracks escaped with their lives it could not be knowne who or how many they were that were drowned 3. Nor is there any whit more in any in all the said Sections or premisses that reacheth home or indeed comes neere to that specialtie in the Conclusion in all ages Evanders mother lived many ages agone yet the mother of Abel had the precedencie of her by many generations Therefore surely all the world will never accept of the Conclusion so insufficiently and lamely prov'd 4. And lastly Whereas Mr. Prynne tells me that if I now make not good my promise few or none will ever credit me hereafter I should be very glad to meet with my condition that so I might performe my obligation But in the meane time whether any or none will credit me hereafter I know not well how I or any other should credit him for the present as touching the authentiqueness and truth of those citations and transcriptions upon which the principall weight of that Conclusion depends whereof he expects conviction both from me and all the world to boote Is it lightly possible for any man to refraine jealousie in this kind that doth but consider how oft his pen hath dash'd against the rock of truth in representing me my opinions and sayings yea I can say further affections intentions upon the open theatre of the world where any man that will may see his nakednesse in this kinde Is boldnesse in the Sun like to prove modestiē in the shade As for satisfaction by examination of all particulars it is not every mans indeed very few mens opportunitie The respective Authors and records wherein particularities must be inquired after and found for satisfaction in that kind are in few mens hands and not of all mens understandings So that Mr. Prynne by dealing so unfaithfully and unchristianly by me and my sayings as he hath done hath not onely obstructed the course and passages of his own reputation and credit but hath further also injur'd the world round about him by rendring those good parts and abilities wherewith God hath intrusted him for publick accommodation if not wholly unserviceable yet of very meane usefulnesse and concernment in comparison of what their line and tenour would well have borne It is a saying in the Civill Law that he that hath injur'd one hath threatened many I end with a word of Christian admonition and advice both to the Gentleman my Antagonist and my selfe Sir the Great and Glorious God that made us in mercy remembers both our frames and