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A85315	Stablishing against shaking: or, A discovery of the Prince of Darknesse (scarcely) transformed into an angel of light, powerfully now working in the deluded people called, Quakers: with a sober answer to their railings against ministers for receiving maintenance from their people. Being the substance of one sermon preached Feb. 17. 1655. at Shalford in Essex. / By Giles Firmin (pastour of the church there) upon occasion of the Quakers troubling those parts.	Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.	1656 (1656)	Wing F967; Thomason E885_13; ESTC R202074	45,528	65

thing in Rev. 6.9 10 11. there is mention made of many slain for the Word of God c. these had white robes given them c these who were slain must needs fall under the X Persecutions under the heathen Emperours and may well in a speciall manner look to that horrible butchery under Dioclesian but if you know those times you will finde there were abundance of Bishops slain in those times I mean Bishops who were above Presbyters in the Church and you shall finde abundance of ceremonies humane inventions in those times in the worship of God yet we finde God doth not show such disdain of them as you doe now he gives them white robes Thus Bp Cranmer Ridley Hooper and abundance of Ministers ordained by those Bishops but suffered gloriously for the testimony which they held the Lord will own them with honour in the Day of Judgment how then you come to cast off so many Ministers of Christ so able in the worke of the Gospel as none have been more able since the Apostles dayes no nor so able so godly in their conversation to whose Ministery God hath sealed in the spirituall children he hath given them and onely because they were ordained by Bishops who yet were Ministers and did Ministeriall work doe you provide to answer for this at that day Some men will scarce own any mans Ordination but that which is by such Bishops and you will own no Ministers who are ordained by such if you two should meet who would be the strongest Parnel Gol p. 26. makes this a proof against our Ministery that it is earthly because in thus many years we have wrought no better reformation 1. But Parnel the English Ministery through grace will show the greatest reformation in the world and yet none in the world opposed like it We can show the souls who confesse by us the Lord inlightened them turned them and hath built them up 2. Then Isaiahs and Ieremiahs with other of the Prophets Ministery was earthly for I am sure they wrought but little reformation 3. What was Christs Ministery earthly also he complains Isa 49.4 that he had laboured in vain 4. What you will have many called and many chosen Christ saith the contrary Conclusion To conclude I dare affirm that there is as true and as able a Ministery in England this day as ever was since the Apostles died and if any Quakers or Separatists will undertake to prove the contrary so they will argue and not babble they shall soon finde those who will answer them While therefore you cast filth upon these I plead not for every particular Minister and upon all the Churches you show your light to be of Satan c. Argum 11 Major That Light which brags of the infallible spirit and yet cannot speak good sense or reason that Light and Spirit must come from Satan not from Christ Minor But such is the Quakers light and infallible Spirit Ergo. Major The Spirit of Christ is a Spirit of wisdome but he that speaketh irrationally nonsense he doth not speak wisely the Spirit of God is a most rationall Spirit and where it speaks it speaks like it self Acts 6.10 They were not able to resist the wisdome and the Spirit by which Stephen spake Thus Paul Apollos c. they spake rationally carried such strength that none could answer them Ministers must be men able to convince 1 Tit. 9. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those that talk irrationally will never 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I know Satan can speak rationally sense also which makes us wonder what he means to take such instruments unlesse it be because he is at the last seeing witty Jesuits cannot doe the businesse now try if foolish Quakers can doe it this also I know that reason being a beam of God there can be no true reason for sin or errour Also though abundance of Gods people are weak and shallow yet they never speak truth but they speak sense and reason But here we have a pack mightily insulting over the Ministers because they doe not assume to themselves the infallible Spirit in that notion which the Quakers boast they have it and yet cannot speak rationally Let us hear a little Qua gl● of God p 3 4. there they undertake to answer the arguments the Apostle brings 1 Cor. 9.9 10 11 c. to prove the maintenance of Ministers They that preach on the Gospel must live upon the Gospel This scripture shames you and shews your Gospel will not maintain you but you seek to Magistrat s●● and the Ministers of the Gospel are ashamed of such a pack of teachers This is his answer so He that thresheth thresheth in hope Oh how have they threshed in hope all this while and got forth no corne but are faine to seeke to the Magistrates for me●nes and food So Thou shalt not muzzle the month of the Oxe Oh you shamelesse teachers your mouthes must be muzled have been treading all this while and no corne trodden out to feed you but are faine to seek to the Magistrates Doe not these men speak gallantly Is not here evidence of the infallible Spirit But if these Quakers would have spoken like men thus ye should have said True those who preach the Gospel those who thresh those who tread out c. that is those who doe perform the work of the Lords Ministers in teaching Iabouring faithfully they may challenge maintenance by these Scriptures But you doe not thresh labour c. in the Lords work Therefore you cannot claim maintenance from these Seriptures now you had spoken rationally and there had been matter of shame indeed that we should have called for corn and not wrought but now you have cast all the shame upon the people that we preaching labouring threshing c. are denied our corn our maintenance and are forced to goe to the Magistrates our nursing fathers Isa 49 v. 23. for it Like a man who hath been plowing and threshing halfe a yeare for another when he comes to demand his wages he is denied the man goeth to the Magistrate to be helped the Quakers cry out Oh thou shamelesse man hast thou been plowing and threshing so long and now art fain to goe to the Magistrate c. Doth the man deserve shame or he who deny him his due So here Thus Priests Igno p. 2. The teachers of the world sprinkle Infants telling people its an Ordinance of God which is contrary to the Scriptures and quotes in his margent Gal. 3.1 Luc. 1.26.36 Let any one reade those Scriptures and see how they oppose it he quotes no other Scriptures In the next The teachers of the world call people unto a Sacrament for the which there is no Scripture here they act contrary to the Scriptures quoting Gen. 29.28 the words are these and Iacob did so and fulfilled her weeke and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also and Gen. 10. but no verse These are all the Scriptures Here

true light which lighteth every one that cometh into the world But I would faine know why these Quakers confound this Light with Conscience as if they were both one is the Conscience and Christ all one what folly is this Secondly But what doe they mean that Christ lighteth every one who cometh into the world with saving light Fruits of fast pag 23. as Parnel his 29 Querie intimates this is manifestly false For how great a part of the world is there who know nothing of Christ Redemption Justification by Christs righteousnesse Originall sinne Saving faith c. They never heard the sound of these things The next Verse confutes this for the 10 ver saith The world knew him not How then doth he lighten every one with such a knowledge when the Text saith plainly the world knew him not What miserable blind Consciences doe we find where people have lived under the revelation of Christ I am confident many know not the essentials to salvation The meaning then is 1 If we speak of the Light of Reason Understanding so Christ lighteth every one who cometh into the world 2. Or if we speak of Saving light As many or every one who hath that saving Light it is Christ who illightneth him 3. So we may say of Common Light Christ giveth that also As Psal 136.8 The Lord raiseth them that are bowed down What every one we see the contrary but those who are raised it is he who lifts them up none else can Againe Conscience may and doth erre this is a further proof of the imperfection of it Acts 26.9 Paul was there guided by his Conscience but it erred Did not of old Doe not now all Errors and Heresies plead Conscience Papists Socinians c I doubt not Queen Mary would say her Conscience led her to burn the eminent servants of Christ Now let us hear what the Quakers say Quakers glory c. p. 2. They exhort the Magistrates to let the Priests alone and to receive the Law of God which is perfect according to that in the Conscience herein have truth in all ages suffered by them who made Lawes contrary to that in the Conscience No matter for the Word then Fell. pag. 5. The Priests of thy high places Oh England bear witnesse before my face against thee which thou hast set up contrary to my will which I have made manifest in every mans Conscience No not every mans you are not perfect Fell. So once before in the same page Wooddrove p. 15 16 Turne your minde within you to the pure Light of Christ in your Consciences see by this light within you who rule within you No matter for the perfect rule without you to try the light within you nor to help it J. N. against Harris p. 15. Make our Light within to be the Light of the Covenant of Grace How many millions of soules know nothing of it Bishop p. 21. Sink down to that of God in every one of your Consciences the light of Christ In all their Books the Word of God written is made of no account But while the Quakers thus call on all men to turn to that within them their Consciences why doe they so cry out upon the Magistrates for sending them to Bridwell and Prisons since they doe as the Light within them bid them They practise their doctrine but the Magistrates have the Light without them in the perfect rule to guide Conscience within them What a wofull Nation should we have where Consciences are so blinde erroneous sleepy benummed and some cauterized if men should lay by the perfect rule and goe to that the Prince of darknesse would make strange worke Conscientia est regula regulata non regula regulans This Argument differs from the third Argum 6 Major That Light which destroyeth the Institutions of Christ is the Light of Satan not of Christ Minor But the Quakers light destroy the Institutions of Christ his Ordinances Ergo it is the light of Satan not of Christ Major The Major is clear for then Christ must oppose himself if he hath left Ordinances wherein people shall attend upon God till the end of the world and now have a light to destroy them Christ hath changed his minde 1 Cor 11.26 In the Lords Supper we shew the Lords death till he come Christ is not come yet Christ bid them eat and drink in remembrance of him his words at the Institution of the Lords Supper What were the Apostles onely to remember him or the Corinthians and those first Churches Must not all Churches till he comes so remember him Mat. 28.19 20. Teach and Baptize I am with you to the end of the world What doe you limit this teaching and baptizing to the Apostles They are dead many hundred years since yet the end of the world is not come how then can these words be fulfilled but in the ordinary Officers who succeed the Apostles is the rule of Christ Mat. 18.15 16 17 18 c. come to an end I am sure there are offences still and you perfect ones are as vile offenders as any but you have taken a course to prevent all discipline for your Church is within so shut up that none can come at it no nor believe it Minor But the Quakers light destroy all the Ordinances and Institutions of Christ Parnel Wat p. 8. They who brought the profession of the Christian Faith into England first had two Sacraments Infants Baptisme is one that which they call the Supper of the Lord is another and they had the carnall bread and wine as the Priests and people hath now See what esteem this youth hath of the Ordinances against the Baptists he talketh much for their baptizing with water but I will not transcribe his babling Naylor against I. Reyner pag. 3. Church Prayers Baptisme Singing we witnesse to be all within None of these outward Naylor Saluta p. 7. Is not Christ the Ordinance no that he is not and the end of all Ordinances I here is truth in this and it overthrows the former for if he be the end of the Ordinance how can he be the Ordinance it self are the means the end a few lines after Is not he the Sabbath Baptisme Supper No that he is not In p 33. there we have the bottome he will not deny but these Visibles as he calls them had their place and time but what are they now He meets with an Objection of ours which is this They are commands of God and there is no Scripture for taking them away This is an Objection indeed to which he answers I say those carnall things are but commands as Circumcison and the Passeover were and many other yet were they taken away without letter by that spirit that gave them when they were abused what letter had Hezekiah to take away the brazen Serpent what scripture had Paul to cry down Circumcision c. so runs on But why doth not Naylor make up his

you see the Priests ignorance and the Quakers knowledge laid together So let any one that hath reason reade Naylor his Answer to Io Reyners Queries Parnel against Dr. Draton and then see if it be not a wofull judgment of God to let a Nation be over-run and people catched with such witlesse brainlesse fellowes besides their grosse abominable principles that destroy Scriptures Ordinances Churches civil States c. Conclusion Since then the Light which the Quakers boast come from the infallible Spirit in them is thus irrationall brutish c. I conclude their Light is from Satan not from Christ Argum 12 Major That Light which affirmeth sound believers walking evangelically in obedience to Gods commandements to be in a state of condemnation that Light is from Satan not from Christ Minor But so doe the Light of the Quakers Ergo. The Major is plain 3 Ioh. 36.18.16 16 Mar. 16. If faith and holinesse shall go to hell what shall goe to heaven Minor They doe not say this in so many words but by consequence for the persons who are such and they cannot disprove it they affirm to be in that condition But the Quakers Light affirmeth sound believers and persons who walk in obedience c. to be in a state of condemnation For we are assured there are hundreds of sound believers in Christ in England that fear to sinne walke with the Lord and that more close than the Quakers who doe detest and abominate the Quakers doctrines principles and practises but the Quakers say of those who come not amongst them that they shall be damned perish c. This is their common language about us Thus J. Toldervy Ep. 17.18 told his Master Col. Web. Thus Mason p. 8. speaking to the Ministers whom he calls Merchants of Babylon bid us read our doom in Revel 18.7.8 yet among these I am sure are very sound believers and very holy men if they may be tried by the word which shall try them yea and you Mason and all your Quakers notwithstanding your boastings of the infallible Spirit Thus I. N. p. 17. F. Harris makes this Querie Whether it be safe for Christians to forsake and let goe those Gospel-dispensations of the Spirit of Truth in which God hath blessedly appeared c The summe of his answer is this that all those who deny the light of Christ and the infallible spirit in their sense this must be taken else we do say some truth is in this have nothing but the spirit of delusions but then adds without the infallible spirit there is no promise nor word but what is stolen from others or out of a booke and had thou had no booke thou had no voice nor promise Here is brave stuffe the promises then in the Bible are little worth if I. N. can finde any promises out of this book let him take them for me Thus Parnel and Naylor call the Ministers Magicians Let the Quakers tell us what is faith according as the Lord Christ declares it in his Word not their infallible Spirit without the Word tell us what it is to walk holily as the holy men in Scripture have done and see if there be not many hundreds that answer that faith and holinesse And let me desire the Quakers but to tell me of one man in the Word of God that was holy who embraced the Quakers doctrines principles and practises Conclusion Since then the Quakers light condemne such as the light of Christ approves of hence I conclude their light is from Satan c. Jam. 3.1 Be not many Masters knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation Who so masterly as the Quakers Mat. 7. ver 1. Argum 13 As for their shaking in that strange manner which some report of them and their books defend it is manifest enough to every one whom the God of this world hath not blinded whence it comes and prove their doctrine to have the same Authour it is a thing so known amongst them that J. Toldervy saith p. 28. He had long waited for it then had it to purpose My whole man was so shaken torn and rent that had I not by a great strength been enabled I could not have continued also it did worke in me as though I had taken a strong purge pag. 29. yet I. N. against F. Harris p. 18. abuseth the holy examples of Daniel Moses and David to defend these Diabolical actings nothing like those holy men neither in the causes nor effects Let the Reader observe the History at the end of the book I shall conclude all with transcribing a few lines out of him where he relateth what one of these Quakers who was of his former acquaintance pag. 7. spake to him with Answer to one of Parnels Queries He gave me to understand that they were sent forth to preach the Gospel by the same Christ the Apostles were and that the person that Son of God which died at Jerusalem was not the Redeemer of man from sinne Oh fearful but the redeemer was in every particular man that light by which he was given to see sinne and enabled by it if obeyed to be redeemed from sinne which Christ had redeemed them perfect and now lived in them Lord of all things by which they were made the sons of God and so what was manifested to them by that substance from that substance were they moved to speake which was the same holy Ghost by which the Apostles were endued sent forth and enabled to preach so he declared how sometimes in the night they were immediately commanded by the eternall spirit to goe forth and preach c. Here is enough said to make us all quake I intend not to open the wretchednesse that lieth in these words onely this is worth the observation that whereas some have cast off all Officers and Churches because we are out of order say they and therefore they wait for Apostolical men to be sent from God I know not how to bring us into order here you have them I hope your expectation is answered by a fearful judgement of God But let us hear what is Parnels opinion though propounded by way of querie Whether any now ought to preach in the name of Jesus but who are called to it and fitted for it the same way as the holy men of God were spoken of in Scripture What holy men he meaneth the next Querie to this will interpret Whether doe you owne immediate revelation now yea or nay q 8.9 The question would be what he means by immediate revelation but by comparing their spirits we may know his meaning Bishop p. 24. proving that we are not the Ministers of Christ brings in this for one proof Gal. 1.12 the Ministers of Christ received not the Gospel by man nor the will of man nor were they taught it but by the revelation of Jesus Christ in them We may see what Parnel aimes at but in this sense no we own no such revelations 1. For