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A41279 Thomas Crisp's envy detected and folly manifested herein and the addition following by R.R. being an answer to his book entituled, The fourth part of Babels, &c. / by J.F. Junior. Field, John, 1652-1723.; Richardson, Richard, 1623?-1689. 1682 (1682) Wing F867; ESTC R40222 19,401 26

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as before the advice came to them they were sensible of their snortness though they had aimed at the best to bring to the Apostles advice those that were contentious about outward things even to the offence of the world also And how greedily that Spirit in T. C. and others here and there also gapes to have that Church devoured calling so eagerly for sharp reproof withstanding to the face calling fools bewitched c. And judging that which was already judged Nay T. C. is so forward and furious that he proceeds aforehand before having writen or spoken to them to know the Truth Josh 22.15 as Israel did to Judge with that which is to be Judged and also to publish and print contrary to the promise of his Abetter and after the Example of W. R. who against and contrary to the evident Truth leaves out that principle in point of Judgment And Part 4. page 31. cites but quotes not the Book and Part for then his materal omissions might easily be found out some of G. F's words in the beginning of a letter to all Friends in the end of a Book of his titled severall Papers c. Printed 1671 viz. W. R. cites Judge not one another But omits Judge not with that which must be Judged the substance matter and principle And judge Pelf forst and you that see clear speak to the other whose munds are gone fron the Light Else If one have spoken to admonished or Judged the evil in any one never so often to their face yet they must not speake of it on any occasion though it be to their own vindication and clearing of the Truth unless the party be present but must ly under it till he procure the party to come to hear it though having heard it never so often before and withstood it This would bar telling the Church unless and untill he can gett the other to come with him there if the words must be taken only in the strictest sense restraming all speaking in any case from any ground or principle against the absem when self is first judged down Which T. C. would have stand and be a Judge of principles and practices and a sharp reprover page 14 But would not have the Beast the Destroyer Abaddon and Apollyon the Cursed Spirit satan discouered and Judged where he had entred But those that aiming at the best things the Apostles advice though coming short in some thing and Judging it in themselves before they are spoke to or Judged by others Those are they that T. C. and such as he have spread the weakness of and Judged behind their backs with that which is to be Judged and would have withstood to the face that do not withstand but with the Wisdom of God Judge the foolishness they were bewitched into if he will needs have it upon the first discovery before they were writ to which wee do not read the Galatians did but going after the flesh and them that sought to glory in it from the Spirit and him that ministred it to them and the naditions it led into which the Churches keept and good order of the Gospel in their Churches 2 Thes 2.15 and 3.6 as it doth now which you clancour against in generall because it seems you would have people believe they were other than they are and therefore are ashamed of producing a Catalogue of them in particular so often called for but cry only in general G. Fox's Orders Laws c. and tells not what they are R. Richardson THE END
otherwise P. 18. T. C. saith As for those black sins of paying Tythes and Marrying by Priests so often charged on T. C. by S. C. and his Confederates on which J. F. hath grounded his Bull of Excommunication against me And say they have no Vnity with me Note Why Thomas dost thou say thou hast Unity with us that thou art so Angry at that Paper thou callest my Bull as to use my Name seven times in a page and more than four times seven in thy three Sheets and half of Babel c. because that paper saith thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends c. Prethee Thomas is this a breach of that Reveased will of God thou speakest of p. 12. to say thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends that thou art so Angry to term and compare me to an Inquisition Officer This is not the way to convince me that the Spirit of Christ in the Heart moves thee thus to write or rather scribble against me and Friends whatever thy Conceits are of promoting and contending for the Rule of the Gospel of the Spirit of Christ in the heart * I suppose you may know whose Phrases these are And my desire is that I and all tender-hearted honest Friends may never know the Rule nor Government of that Spirit thou art led and instigated by thus to vent thy malicious words prating like some of old against the Truth And in the 19 page T. C. saith And on other discourse with J.F. the next day per ceiving he intended to publish it did say hemight do it therefore consented to his writing those words Note Yes Thomas and to the Printing of them too thou consented otherwise for all what thou sayst thou perceived I Intended it had never been Printed as it was And I question not but thou and P.E. then in company with thee knows and may remember that thou said vauntingly it would cover or hide but a little spot of the Beast c. and took a Copy of it with thee And in the 21 page T.C. saith If you were in the Eternal Spirit as J.F. falsly says your Vnity would not stand in forms and Ceremonies and Orders Note Prethee Thomas who ever said it did sure it was not J. F. that hath been so often termed false Witness c. for saying it was in the Eternal Spirit don't quarrel and fight thus with thy own Shadow or sancy who in thy Babilonish Spirit would insinuate as if Friends Unity were in Ceremonies and Orders which we deny though we own the order of the Gospel and Law of Life and what are the products of the Spirit of Truth and that which it leads into and tends to vertue and good Report and to the Testifying against vice and looseness and that which would bring an ill Report though thou mayst scoffingly call them G. F's Orders and Laws c. and though to our grief some who for want of keeping in the holy fear of God and a diligent waiting upon him in lowliness of mind therein to be guided by his Wisdom and Councel have not so practised them as they ought which hath been as a Feast to thee and such as thee and a grief to the tender and upright hearted yet this doth not prove those wholsom Instructions of Friends which thou scoffingly calls Order bad T.C. in the 2 page saith The Apostles said who have not the Spirit of Christ are not his therefore no wonder that they give such black names to them who cannot give up all their Faith and Consciences to their Womens Meetings hereby it is proved that G. F ' s c. Vniver sal Spirit is not that of Christ and the Apostles and Ancient Friends therefore not the same but a private Spirit or Party which adore him and his Laws as S.E. and C.T. have done Note T. C's wicked and ungodly Insinuation as if Friends required people to give up all their Faith and Consciences to Womens Meetings which is as much as if he said Friends required persons to have no Faith in Christ nor no Conscience to deal justly c. for if they must give up all to them they leave none for any thing else let the Reader now judge whether T. C. hath the Spirit of Christ or is excited thereby thus to write yea or nay that thus insinuates for though I believe Christ is served in the Womens Meetings and that they are according to his mind yet I don't place All my Faith and Conscience in them neither doth this prove that G. F. c. Universal Spirit by which I take him to mean that Universal Spirit G. F. and Friends bear Testimony of and direct unto is not the Spirit of Christ the Apostles and Ancient Friends but a private Spirit which adore him and his Laws for I charge it upon T. C. as a grand untruth or a Lye For T.C. to say S. E. and C.T. have ador'd or worship'd C. F. or his Laws for I affirm all true and Spiritual Worship which is the Worship we own is only due unto God and Christ and is performed in the Holy Spirit T. C. in the 10th page saith That G. F. c. will not admit that any have the least measure of the Spirit that subnot to his Laws Note This is another of his untruths or Lies for it s well known he hath often testified unto the Universality of the Grace and Spirit of God and hath said with the Apostle that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal In the 11th page T. C. saith Whereby it is manifest what high Esteem and great Authority you Ascribe to your Orders that the bare obeying them can Acquit in Gods sight Note This is another of T. C's great and palpable untruths or Lyes and Thomas prove if thou canst that any owned by us so high Esteem and ascribed such great Authority to those Good Orders and wholsome Instructions given by the Spirit of the Lord through his Servants concerning the outward Conversation and performance of things amongst the People of God which thou in dirision commonly calls G. F. orders c. For we are of the Apostles mind that some may retain the form of Godliness and be out of and Enimies to the power thereof and such never were nor are owned by the Lord God nor his faithful people for Hypocrisy was and is an Abmination unto the Lord. And a blind Sacrifice was neither under Law nor Gospel owned by him And they that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power and Enimies to it are not acquitted in Gods sight for being in the form neither can they that are Born of God have Unity with them that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power thereof though we say its possible as it was in the Apostles days that some may have the outward form of Godliness to wit a profession of the Light Grace Spirit
our Friends in the City of Bristol and elsewhere lye under hard and grievious Sufferings but let this Serve to give a Rellish of the mans Spirit and who it is setts him to Work c. whose present loose principle never will lead him to lose any thing for Christ's sake and the Gospel But page 19 20. T. C. saith But it is observable that about the time that J. F. published this against me Ellis Hookes was dead the Clark of the Marriages and had left a considerable Estate and 't is said much of it was gained by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages which was more gain to him than to several Priests in London put together This so profitable an Office as is thought J. F. wanting or coveting might be glad of this opportunity to gain the favour of G. F. c. Also to make others be afraid of being so Exposed if they should let others have the profits of their Marriage Certificates c. * Thomas Crisp seeing thou hast brought Ellis Hooks's name in publick Print who is dead and cannot now Answer for himself to thy Calumniating and Slandering Tongue and thou sayst That E. Hooks left a considerable Estate and it 's said much of it was gained by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages and then saith Which was more gain to him than to several Priests in London put together I do charge T. Crisp to mention and bring forth their Names in publick Print that hath said this of Ellis Hooks and prove that he hath gotten his considerable Estate that he left behind him by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages and now T. C. is positive when he saith which was more gain to him than several Priests in London put together This I charge him again to prove if he can concerning E. H. But let this foul mouth'd Busie body T. C. ask E. H's Brother the Councellor if his Father did not give him an Estate besides it 's known to the Friends of Truth in this City that E. H. was a Stationer and by his Industry in that Employ gained a considerable part of his Estate and other lawful and considerable Employs he had which augmented his Estate But T. C's Envy against Truth and its Children is so large and he in it so restless that therein he abuses and belies both the Living and the Dead Answer What an Observable matter this is that Ellis Hooks was dead the Clark of the Marriages at this time and left a Considerable Estate What then why Thomas Crisp thereby hath gotten an oppertunity out of the abundance of his malitious heart to vent some of his Envious thoughts and malicious words against J. Feild and says if he may be believed much viz of E. H. Estate was gained by fees and gratuities as it s said this is like his Brother W. R. whose Example he herein follows who often saith if report be true But saith T. C. This so proffitable an Office as its thought J. F. wanting or Coveting might be glad of this opportunity to gain the favour of G. F. c. Answ As its thought Aye but had T. C. or any of his Abettors or Informers so said I should have told them it was a palpable untruth and base thought as its both a base and unworthy Action of T. Crisp thus publickly to defame and Scandalize me in print upon an Evil thought this is not like the Spirit of Christ but I can Expect no better of him that may well be compared to a rageing wave of the Sea casting up mire and dirt But blessed be God J. F. hath through the Lord's blessing and his Endeavour that whereby he hath hitherto honestly provided for himself and his Family without either Coveting or receiving that which is anothers by griping or over-reaching any man and can say with the Apostle his own hands have ministred to his necessity and he hath not been chargeable unto any And hopes he shall unto the End of his dayes through the Assistance of the Lord and by his grace manifest himself to be an honest man though not so rich as T. C. that writes thus maliciously against him for whom his prayer is and shall be if it be the Lords will that he and such as he may come to see the Evil Work he is about and Repent of it before it be to late T. C. page 18 deridingly saith As for those black sins of paying Tythes and marrying by Priests so often charged on T. C. by S. C. and his Confederates on which J. F. hath grounded his Bull of Excommunication against me and say they have no Vnity with me Answer I desire the Bull of Excommunication as he Scoffingly and maliciously calls that paper may by the Christian and unprejudiced Reader be well perused to See if they can find that any thing therein deserves such a Scornfull name for he is not therein Curst that being wholy Contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and is for ever utterly disowned by us the true Christians called Quakers What Thomas must wee say we do own Persons that are not of us and have Unity with them that thou gives this frightful terme of Bull of Excommunication to that Innocent paper that I believe and am fully Satisfied was writt and given forth to manifest and tell others that knew thee not so well as thy Neighbours do what thou art and what thy practice hath been for peradventure they might think thee by thy fair words to be that thou art not and is it not pity but such should be better informed Well Thomas my desire is thou mayst Repent of these black Sins of Envy and Falshood and not encourage others to do the same lest thou become guilty of their Sins also Here followeth a short Collection of some of Thomas Crisp's many Falshoods or Untruths with short Notes thereupon to shew his Envy and detect his Folly in using my name so often c. and repeating some Sentences of mine relating to Friends Unity and being of one mind an judgment c. in all which he leaves out the material words as apparently as if a wicked Atheist should say he would prove from the Psalmists words Psal 14. 1. That he said There is no God he should leave out these words viz. The Fool hath said in his heart there is after this manner hath this unfair Adversary dealt with me as I with the Lord's help shall shew In the 20 p. And for J. F. to say their Vnity stands in the Eternal Spirit it is false saith T. C. Note But who Thomas dost think will believe thee for my part I shall not neither take thy word herein who art so Hypocritical and unfaithful as to act contrary to thy own principle as I have before shewed And I do affirm that our and all faithful Friends and true Christians Unity and Fellowship does stand in the Eternal Spirit of God and that it is grand falshood and untruth in thee to say