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Of episcopacy three epistles of Peter Moulin ... / answered by ... Lancelot Andrews ... ; translated for the benefit of the publike.; Responsiones ad Petri Molinaei epistolas tres. English
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Andrewes, Lancelot, 1555-1626.; Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.
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Wing A3143; ESTC R10969
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their Auditors with Reading The term Pastor is usual among the Prophets Prophet Isaiah 56. 11. Prophet Ieremiah 10. 21. and 22. 22. and 23. 1. 2. Prophet Ezechiel 34. 2. and Prophet Zachariah 10. 3. Which places whosoever shall weigh in the even ballance of judgment he shall find that under the name of Pastors were reckon'd not only the cheif Priests or the heads of the Levites but all the Prophets and Levites upon whom the Office of teaching lay But the following matter and my earnest desire to satisfie you hath carried me beyond my bounds I have too too much abus'd your leasure Yet shall not this my pains be ill bestowed if you shall take notice hereby how much I esteem you how desirous I am of peace how glad I would be that all the Reformed Churches who are united by one Faith were also united by one and the same bond of Ecclesiastical Government I beseech you Sir accept in good part this my ingenuous liberty which truly shall never detract from that observance and honor which I shall ever profess before the world I ow unto you God preserve You and grant You a fresh and lively old age with the increase of all honor and happiness Farewell Dated Paris Your Honors most devoted in all observance Peter Moulin The Bishops Answer to the Third Epistle I Never could learn this trick of sawing or which is all one of tossing replys No not when my years were fitter for it But now old age which of it self is a diseas and yet never cometh without diseases attending it plucks me by the ear and bids me get me out of this cockpit and rank my self with them whose whole business is Prayer Nevertheless because in this skirmishing it hath happen'd to us both alike viz that we have not reach'd one anothers meaning I shall not unwillingly more fully and plainly expound my mind to you as you did your to me That which I first meet withall is but a slight matter for I do not understand at all how I was any whit more mov'd then ordinary Neither do I remember ought of yours that mov'd me more then ordinary nay that mov'd me at all but only that you said that some passages of yours had griev'd the Kings soul That word greiv'd greiv'd me somwhat I confess and mov'd me more then ordinary Besides nothing that I remember His Majestie had made three dashes upon your Book Touching them you would know of me what my mind was what I thought I answered as was truth where the King had made them they ought to be made The first place noted by the King was that concerning the passivity of the words as you speak I said it was justly noted Here you did not reach my meaning for you take it for all one as if I had said that you therby did tacitly insinuate I know not what But that came not into my thoughts I did not say what you did therby insinuate but what others would snatch at from thence For questionless snatch at they will as if you did insinuate though you did not as men are and stand affected I for my part do not deny that those words are taken for one and the same and so far you are right This I deny that those things which are right may all of them safely by any man at any time be committed to writing For you must consider not so much what you might mean there as what others would snatch from thence Our writings must be regulated by that of the Apostle Not what is lawfull but what is expedient See you whether this controversie be seasonable at this time and whether it were advisedly done by you and whether it be not expedient {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to cut off occasions from them who earnestly snatch at all occasions of setting novelties afoot Perhaps I fear what is safe enough but I fear though lest an occasion being taken from hence those stirrs unhappily break out again which seemed wholy to be made up among us Nor was I ever of that opinion I never wrote it that afterward it was otherwise done That was not done otherwise afterward which was done by the Apostles themselves It is S. Chrysostoms were there many Bishops in one City by no means It is S. Hieroms For in one City there could not be many Bishops It is Theodorets It could not be that there should be many Pastors in one City Of what time are these to be understood When were there not When could there not be those many Pastors in one City What when S. Chrysostom S. Hierom Theodoret lived doubtless when the Apostle wrote that to the Philippians I could not possibly say then that that was done afterward which they said was done even when the Apostle lived and wrote I said that the remedy was there applyed by the Fathers You say that the same was applyed by you Applyed I grant but truly neither the same nor in the same place For 1. their {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} their preventive caution was premised before they spake Your {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} yours is but a playster layd on after the wound is made 2. What you say by way of disjunction viz. either immediatly after the time of the Apostles or even in their time that would not they have said so but as truth was without any disjunction without the former part That it was done in the very time of the Apostles and by themselves 3. Then no where do they say that any constitution was made about it Nor do I think you will ever read of any such {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} or constitution in any History We read indeed in the Acts that the Order of Deacons was constituted by them of Presbyters of Bishops there was no constitution for Bishops were formerly instituted by Christ in the Apostles and Presbyters in the Seventy Two 4. Nor only that any was called Bishop but that he was a Bishop For there were no Titular Bishops then they had their Name from their Office they were called what they were they were what they were called 5. Nor that should be only with preeminence but that should be invested with power power I say of Imposition of hands of commanding of receiving informations of reproving 6. Nor only to take away Confusion which is contrary to Order but also to take away Schism which is contrary to Vnity Nor for these two only but also for all other ends for which we said that power was given You see that the Fathers had another gates remedy for this disease and that those speeches of yours It was constituted That should be called should have the preeminence are too narrow and I add by your leave too weak and dilute nor the same with those which are the ingredients of that medicine which the Fathers made But yet I have a mind here to put the question If Confusion