and opened not his mouth before his accusers the Jews and chief Priests And as for the rest of Tho. Dansons torn confused language and several more lyes and false accusations in his Book and Narrative which I could further make manifest I let them pass as things not worth answering but to be trampled under feet by them that are in the light which discovers all such blind Watchmen and Shepherds that cannot understand whose nakedness and shame the Lord God is discovering to the simple-hearted and if Thomas Danson or any of his brethren in iniquity proceed to broach their lyes confusion and slanders against the truth or against us who own it as in his pride and enmity he hath done in his confused Book they may truly expect that the Truth will further make manifest their folly and deceit And now that they that desire any further to see more of Thomas Dansons Doctrines which he affirmed at the Disputes with us to the matter of which Doctrines this foregoing Treatise contains an Answer and which are Answered and Confuted in Richard Hubberthornes book Titled The difference of that Call of God to the Ministry c. they may see and consider his false doctrines as followeth and see how unfit he is to be counted a Minister of Christ and how unlikely he is to convert any to Christ while he preacheth such Doctrines 1. Priest Tho. Danson Affirmed That it is non-sence to say that a man is made a Minister by the gift of grace 2. That he pretends to no infallibility in Ministry 3. That every individual man was not inlightned by Christ 4. That the Gospel is an external light and not invisible 5. That Christ being the propitiation for the sinnes of the whole world as John said 1 John 2.2 is meant onely the world of believers 6. That they must reconcile the Scriptures to themselves 7. That the law of the Spirit of life in Christ was not the law of the Spirit in the Saints 8. That there were two Righteousnesses of Christ the one without the Saints to justifie them and the other within the Saints that did sanctifie them 9. That the Saints were not justified by that Christ within them and since that he hath affirmed two Christs Christ personal and Christ Mystical 10. That David when he was guilty of adultery and murther was not in a condemned estate but in a justified estate 11. And concerning them in Heb. 12. who were come unto the spirits of just men made perfect the said Priest said it was meant that they were in Heaven and not upon earth 12. That that which fitted men for the inheritance among the Saints did not entitle them to the inheritance 13. That we cannot contain an infinite Righteousnesse in us 14. That God offers salvation to all men but he intends it but to a few 15. That a Minister of the Gospel doth not know who are elected 16. That the sword of the Spirit is Ineffectuall without the Letter 17. That there was no Scripture written but what is extant and in the Bible 18. That the Letter doth ante-cede and go before the Spirit in all that walked in the Spirit 19. That Christ chose a Devil to be one of his Ministers c. 20. That the Spirit of God may accompany a Ministery and the Minister not have the Spirit And several other such like false Doctrines did the said Priest affirme which the true Ministers never did which manifests his want of the Spirit of truth and the infallibility of it so that all that know the spirit of truth may see him to be fallible And indeed it s no marvel that England hath so long been in darknesse and people have long wanted satisfaction to their souls seeing their Teachers are such as feed themselves and not the flock and take money and hire of the people for their preaching contrary to the example of the true Ministers and not onely so but they preach such false doctrines as this Priest hath done for hire and truly long may the people be destroyed for want of knowledge while they follow such Shepherds as cannot understand the things pertaining to Salvation for they being such as rebel against the light not abideing in the path of it nor knowing the way of it Job 24.13 they contend against its being in the rebellious And they being such covetous men as have eyes full of adultery that cannot cease from sin they plead for sinne againsts Christs justifying Righteousnesse and perfection made manifest in the Saints on earth 2 Pet. 2.14 And so they being ignorant of Gods Righteousnesse and his works in his people which are perfect they go about to establish Imperfection and so many are alwayes learning among them and loaden with sinnes and iniquities and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth nor know freedome from the sinne which doth burthen their souls so long as they look for help among such miserable Comforters as these Shepherds are that plead for sinne and Imperfection in this Life But now is the Lord manifesting his glory and causing his light to break forth as the morning that the darkness may be expel'd the clouds of ignorance removed from off the understandings of many that they may be delivered from the mouths of such Shepherds as have made a prey upon them and escape out of the snares And now is the star risen in Jacob and the seed coming forth that shall smite the false Prophets and Diviners and rule over the Nations And they that come forth from among this perverse generation of the wicked and wait upon the Lord for his life to arise and rule shall see the salvation of our God who is the God of our salvation who pleadeth our Cause indueth us with wisdome and fighteth for us to him be glory for ever and ever Let all flesh fear before him and the spirits of all flesh submit to him and every tongue confesse to his glory who is abasing the pride of man and staining the glory of all flesh that he himself may raigne and his own Seed may have the preheminence and raign over Babylon and over all her confused crew whose habitation is in darknesse and confusion though they joyn hand in hand in warre against the Truth the Lamb shall overcome them and overthrow their habitation Blessed are they that wait and with patience follow the Lamb through the warre for they shall raign with him in Glory and shine in his Kingdome for ever and ever Amen Allelujah G. W. THE END
the 1 Cor 6 11 as his instancing the Dogs returning to Rent not the Swine when as the Swine are not onely known to trample under foot but also to rent and tear and here he would divide the spirit of God from the name of Jesus when as his name and spirit are one his name is called the word of God and the Father the Word and the Spirit are one Rev 19 13 1 Joh 5 7 And where doth he prove that Justified by the Spirit which he ignorantly calls the third Person in the Trinity is not the work of Grace here he would divide the Grace of God from the Spirit was there ever such confusion for the Saints were Justified freely by his Grace which was one with the Spirit Priest pag 16. For the Apostle assents the holinesse of mans nature as a work of the Spirit conforming it to the Law to be the meritorious cause of our freedome from sin Answ And yet he hath denyed Good works of obedience to be a deserving cause of Justification see his confusion what is not Justification a freedome from sin See Act 13 39 And where doth he prove that the holinesse of mans nature is a meritorious cause of freedome from sin seeing it is the same Spirit which frees man from sinne and brings him and his nature into conformity to the Law of Righteousnesse through its Sanctifying and Justifying him from the transgression of the Law Thomas Danson saith pag. 17. from Rom. 8.4 5. It imports the end for which God sent Christ that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us not in our own persons but in Christ his righteousnesse Imputed to us as if it had been inherent in our selves Answ Here again he hath perverted the Scripture by his false meaning as if the Apostle had meant quite another thing then he spoke when as if the Apostle had not meant the Righteousnesse of the Law fulfilled in their own persons he would not have said fulfilled in us neither would he have counted Christs righteousness Inherent in themselves if he had not counted it in them as this Priest doth and the Apostle needed not speak of the Righteousness of the Law being to be fulfilled in Christ as if it had not been fulfilled in Christ but that it might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit Rom. 8.4 so away with these false meanings this Priest hath given And to S. Fishers speaking of degrees among believers as in 1 Joh. 2.13 14. This Priest Danson saith I suppose that you mean that some of these have a mixture of sin with their Grace Answ This is a false supposition for the Grace of God which the Saints have is pure and not mixed with sin for the mixture of sin is in that which goeth from the Grace Thomas Danson saith pag. 18. to S. F. you maintained that our Justification was by personal fulfilling of the Law and now you Grant some persons to be Justified who never did fulfil it personally Answ In both these sentences he hath wronged S. Fisher for that which he vindicated was what the Apostle witnessed that was the Righteousness of the Law being fulfilled by the spirit in the persons of believers without which work of the spirit in them they were not Justified Thomas Danson pag. 19. saith And Conscience in the Saints being but in part cleansed as a witnesse it testifies falsehood to them also in that their estate is bad when it is good Answ See the folly and confusion this man is in who would lay fals-hood and badnesse to the charge of the Saints Consciences and their good estate as one that calls good evil Isa 5.20 but the Consciences of the Saints witnessed truth to them and not falshood for they witnessed Sanctification throughout in body soul and spirit 1 Thess 5.23 and holinesse perfected in the fear of God Thomas Danson saith pag. 21. As Christ was made sin for us so are we the Righteousnesse of God in him but the former was by Imputation not Inherence and therefore so the other Answ This proves nothing against being Justified by Christs Righteousnesse within but rather against him that hath perverted that Scripture 2 Cor 5 21 for if our being made the Righteousnesse of God in Christ be but like Christs being made sinne for us as this Priest Imagins then he might as well say that we shall have no Righteousness of Christ in us neither must we do Righteousnesse at all for Christ was made sin for us who knew no sin neither can he sin that we might be made the Righteousnesse of God in him in whom their is no sin so that men are not made the Righteousnesse of God in Christ while in their sinnes but as they are translated into Christ through death being baptized into the death of Christ by putting off the body of the sinnes of the flesh for Gods Righteousnesse is pure without sin and so are the believers made his Righteousnesse See Rom 6 4 5 6 7 Col 2 11 12 1 Joh 3 5 6. Priest And to prove two Righteousnesses of Christ this said Priest saith do you think that the Righteousnesse which the Apostle calls his own was not Christs Answ See this mans ignorance of Christ's Righteousnesse which the Apostle desired to have and not his owne Phil 3 9 Now he that counts the Apostles own Righteousnesse which he denyed to have Christs Righteousness he might as well say that the Apostle desired not to have Christ's Righteousnesse which is but one but herein his folly is discovered And whereas at our dispute Thomas Danson denyed that the Saints were Justified by that Christ that was in them now to excuse his matter he saith he will Answer me more punctually and his Answer is Priest pag. 22. The Scripture by Christ within us understands not the person of Christ but his operations the cause is put for the effect by a Metynomy Compare Collos 1.26 Christ in you with Ephes 3.17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith and therefore it followes not that we make two Christs Answ To deny that the Saints were Justified by that Christ within is to Preach two Christs seeing he hath owned that Christ is in them And to say that the Scripture by Christ within us understands his operations what darknesse is this where did ever the Apostle say that the operations or works of Christ are Christ or put a Metonymy upon his words as thou hast done who falsly hast called that a word too hard for my Capacity And Faith Repentance Regeneration are opperated or wrought by Christ but doth the Scripture say that Repentance is Christ or Regeneration is Christ this Priest hath made it appear that he neither rightly knowes Christ nor his workes who discernes not the one from the other And again he hath confuted himself the Priest in pag. 23. he saith The Scripture speaks of two Christs Christ Personal and Christ
THE VOICE of WISDOME UTTERED Forth against Antichrists folly and deceits and the freeness of Gods Love to the Creature and the effects of his Righteousnesse in his people truly discovered 1 Concerning the Light of Christ within 2 Of Perfection in this Life 3 Of Justification how it is known 4 Of the Scriptures and the use of them And this is in Answer to a Book falsly Titled The Quakers folly made manifest to all men Given forth by Tho. Danson a Priest at Sandwich in Kent who having begun his Book with a Lye he hath added to it many false Principles and Doctrines in his Book touching these things aforesaid which Principles are generally held forth by the Priests in England But are here plainly confuted and the cause of the Innocent whom he hath falsly accused cleared according to the Scriptures of Truth By a Friend to them that Regard true Instruction and a witness of Christs Righteousnesse George Whitehead Behold he travelleth with Iniquity and hath conceived mischief and brought forth falshood he made a pit and digged it and is fallen into the ditch which he made Psal 7.14 15. LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth near Aldersgate 1659. Reader IN the fear of the Lord according to the movings of his Spirit it was upon me to give forth this following Treatise as being occasioned by reason of Th. Dansons imperfect and confused Relation Title the Quakers folly made manifest to all men which he hath given forth chiefly against Sam. Fisher Geo. Whitehead and Richard Hubberthorn touching three Disputations which they had with the said Priest about certaine weighty matters of Religion about which now to clear himself of his false doctrines and confusions he was manifest in at the disputes he hath further both wronged them and the truth sometimes in laying down things in their names which they never spoke and oftentimes diminishing from their words and making false constructions of them as also he hath added to his former false doctrins absurdities self contradictions both in his said Relation and in a pretended Answer he hath given to R. Hubberthorns Book titled The Difference of that call of God to the Ministry c. And besides this Priest hath wrested several Scriptures by his false meanings and interpretations and therein is the said Priests principles concerning the light within perfection and justification which generally are maintained by the Priests of England answered and clearly confuted by the truth and the innocent cleared from the lyes and false aspersions published by the said Thomas Danson in his said Relation and Answer And this my answer is given forth for the truth sake in love to the simple hearted that they may be instructed and their doubts resolved which being read in simplicity with a single eye towards God and his way something may be added to the readers understanding and here he may see that the pitt which the wicked hath digged for others he is fallen into himself Prov. 26 27. Eccles 10 8. And Reader I advise thee let no secret prejudice nor envy lodge in thy heart against us but mind the gift of God in thee which brings out of strife and hard thoughts into the meekness and lowlines of mind and then thou may the better understand the truth and see the difference betwixt us who witnesse of the life of Christ in us and the Priests and Professors of the world who are out of Christs life and then try all things and hold fast that which is good 1 Thes 5 21 G. W. THE VOICE OF WISDOME AND TRUTH Uttered c. THe Wisdome and discerning which the Lord God hath revealed by his Spirit in his people called Quakers standeth over all the folly of the World and over all the subtilty and deceits of the Wisemen and Merchants of Babylon who by their subtilty and deceits have perverted the simple and made Merchandise of souls as these Priests do who have been fighting with their Inventions against us and the Truth which we are raised up to vindicate by the power and spirit which hath discovered unto us their deceits and subtilty and whereby we have overcome them hitherto when they have made war against us both in words and writings because that greater is he that is in us who maketh war for us then he that is in the world ruling in these false Teachers and where we are here charged with folly That shall lye upon his and their heads who have falsely charged us therewith as those that are guilty as the proud covetous heady high-mindedmen and the fierce despisers were whom the Apostle charged with these things 2 Tim. 3.9 And we see that these proud and covetous Priests their folly is so far already made manifest that they can proceed no further in their subtilty against the Truth then they have done but their folly will be manifest for I finde that this Priest Tho. Danson hath brought no stronger Arguments against what we profess then many of his Brethren in iniquity have done heretofore but in many things the very same onely he hath added more to his and their iniquities in spreading his false Doctrines and false Accusations abroad and in laying down several things in our Names which were never held forth by us called Quakers But blessed be the Lord our God who hath indued us with power wisdome from on high that such subtil Foxes cannot hide themselves in all their holes and dens from that eye which the Lord hath opened in us and which he is opening in many thousands who shall see the shame and nakedness of these who have caused people to erre in the times of ignorance and darkness which the Lord God is redeeming his people out of into his marvellous light and wisdome which all they shall have right unto who are mindful of his appearance in his light and power who hearken to his counsel as those that are willing to be led by him And now to thee Tho. Danson who falsly hast called thy self a Minister of the Gospel as hereafter will appear and who hath laid false things to the charge of the Innocent as is also here made manifest Where in thy Epistle to the Reader thou sayest Hadst thou considered the likelihood of the Quakers Printing which would necessitate thine thou thinkst thou shouldst have waved any discourse with them but Repentance is now too late c. So then it appears thou wast not willing to have thy deeds brought to light nor thy Doctrines to publike view but wast afraid to be made manifest as many of thy Brethren have been and are and it appears then that what thou hast done in thy disputing with us is to be repented of but now Repentance is too late as thou confessest and thou sayest Thou chose rather to out-word us which is the reason why thy Answers are oftentimes so large and laxe So here thou hast resolved in thy own will to out-word us but thy
words shall be thy burthen and thou hast here discovered what spirit thou art of who with thy multitude of words which darkens counsel and perverts the simple hast gone about to mannage deceit and those things which are to be repented of which are not of the truth and it is well if Repentance be not too late for thee as thou sayest but if thou hadst been in that Spirit which the righteous are led by thou wouldst have used fewer words and to more purpose and more seasonable then thou hast for in striving in thy will to outword men thou hast shewn thy self one of them whose lips the Lord will cut off whose tongue speaketh proud things who have said With our tongue we will prevail our lips are our own who is Lord over us Psal 12.3 4. And also in thy Narrative upon thy agreeing to dispute with us In a loose or disorderly Discourse which falsly thou hast charged us with which thou wast resolved to speak to us in as thou hast confessed That the Devil might be beat at his own weapon and outshot in his own bow c. Ans To which I answer Then its evident that thou hast taken up the Devils bow to shoot in hast shot in the Devils bow as hereafter appears was ever the like Did ever any of the Gospel-Ministers seek to out-shoot the Devil in his own bowe Nay The true Ministers made war against the Devil with the sword of the Spirit and with the weapons of God which were mighty through Christ to the casting down of strong holds and spiritual wickedness in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 Eph. 6.11 12. So they did not shoot in the Devils bow as this Priest hath done And truly it s no marvel that these Priests and their Hearers are so sinful as they are and plead so much for fin against perfection and freedome from sin in this life as they do seeing that the Priests are but shooting in the Devils bow yet whereby they can never slay the Devil nor cast down wickedness but still he being alive in them his work which is fin remains in them and they are in his work and while they shoot the Devils bow they shoot against the truth and against such as are in it as the wicked do who shoot their arrows even bitter words against the righteous And now omitting many absurdities and unsavory words impertinent matters in this said Tho. Danson the Priest his Book which are not worth the mentioning I shall in short Answer some of his Principles and Doctrines whereon the stress of his whole matter dependeth together with some lyes he hath shot out of Devils bow against us in laying down his own words in our names and answering his own words which he counts ours which we never spoke I. Concerning the Light of Christ THomas Danson the Priest saith The Lights mentioned Viz. Natural and Supernatural Light are two and though all have the one yet but few have the other Answ The Life of Christ is the light of men and that is not natural but spiritual he is the true light which inlightens every man that cometh into the World John 1.9 so if they be come into the World they are inlightned by Christ which light brings salvation to them that love it and condemnation to them that hate it and thou might as well count the life of Christ natural as count it so for it is the Life that was in Christ which lighteth every man in the World John 1.4 9. Tho. Danson And where thou hast charged R. Hubberthorn with saying That the true Light hath not come over and comprehended thee Answ That 's false he said no such thing for I was present and heard what he said for the Light hath comprehended thee but thou art not come into it nor hast comprehended it for darkness comprehendeth not the Light though the Light shineth in darkness John 1.5 Tho. Danson also hath charged us with consenting that the knowledge of the Gospel is vouchsafed by Christ to every man Answ No such thing did we consent to as that every man had the knowledge of the Gospel but that there were some in darkness and yet that which might be known of God was manifest in them Rom. 1.19 So their ignorance of the Gospel doth not argue that they had not that Light in them that was able to bring them to know the Gospel which is the power of God but rather that they disobeyed the Light of God in them and liked not to retain God in their knowledge Rom. 1.28 And as for that of Psal 147.19 20. He sheweth his word unto Jacob his Statutes and Judgments unto Israel he hath not dealt so with any nation and as for his judgements they have not known them So then this makes for what I said for that may be shewn or given to people which they know not and then the light of Christ which was before these statutes and judgements were given to Israel is given to many who know not the Mystery of it because they abide not in the paths of it Job 24.13 And this Priest in saying That by the words statutes and judgements are meant the supernatural light or knowledge of the Gospel here he hath confuted himself for if these statutes and judgements were the knowledge of the Gospel why did Israel not know them who had them And if these Statutes and Judgements recorded in the Scriptures which Israel had which many others had not were the knowledge of the Gospel then he might as well say That the Scribes and Pharisees who had them and read these these Statutes in the Scriptures had the knowledge of the Gospel when as on the contrary they knew not Christ nor the Gospel which is but one though his Kingdome was in them and him hath God afforded a light to the Nations and an Ensign to the people and the Nations of them that are saved shall walk in his light both of Jews and Gentiles who are inlightned by him without exception Isai 42.6 and 49.6 Rev. 21.24 Tho. Danson saith As for that Scripture Rom. 2.15 t is spoken of the natural light for t is opposed to the knowledge of the Jewes and the words are not the Law but the works or effects of the Law written in their hearts Answ Nay that is false t is spoken of the work of the Law which Law was written in the Gentiles hearts and this Law was spiritual and not a natural Light as this Priest saith and the nature by which these Gentiles did those things contained in the Law was according to the Law here 's no natural Light spoken of in that Scripture Rom. 2.15 which makes for us that they that were not Jewes but Gentiles also had the Law of God which is spiritual written in their hearts whether they were excused or accused Tho. Danson Christ was not to be a Light to them till his coming in the flesh Answ What then was
Mystical if I should say not Christ Mystical but Christ Personal is our Saviour would you not speak wisely think you to say Oh! you make two Christs this distinction you may finde and to prove a Christ Personal he brings Colos 2.8 9. and Christ Mistical he brings 1 Cor 12 12 Answ He hath here perverted these Scriptures in going about to prove two Christs which before he denyed and in denying Christ Mystical to be our Saviour for Christ is but one and the same for ever who is the Mystery hid from Ages and Generations Christ in you the hope of Glory Col 1 27 and ye are saved by hope Rom 8 24 And Christ saith I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one c. Joh 17 23 So now they that heard Thomas Danson at the dispute deny that he Preached Two Christs may now see that he hath preached two Christs and how therein the Truth hath contradicted him and where this said Priest in George Whiteheads name saith Priest I will prove by the Scriptures that we are Justified by our Sanctification Answ In this he hath wronged Geo Whitehead as in several other things for the words were not so spoken by George Whitehead but what if the words had been so spoken Christ is made to us Wisedome Righteousnesse Sanctification and Redemption and by this Christ are we Justified and no other 1 Cor. 1.30 IV. Concerning the Scriptures Priest THomas Danson hath gone about to prove the Scriptures the word of God and the rule of Faith and Life and in page 29. he saith their is no other standing rule but the Scriptures Answ The Word of God is in the heart of every one that believeth in Christ and such are taught how to walk by that Word or Anointing in them and that is their standing rule and the Spirit of Truth leadeth them into all Truth and of this Word or Spirit which this Priest hath shewed his Ignorance of the Scriptures are a true declaration but are not the Word or Spirit though Words of God be Recorded in them and if there be no other standing rule but the Scriptures as this said Priest ignorantly hath affirmed Then what was their rule who spoke forth the Scriptures and what was the Gentiles rule who not having the Law yet did those things contained in the Law Rom 2 14 and what must be their rule who cannot read the Scriptures they have souls to be saved as well as others and are not to be condemned because they cannot read the Scriptures but if they be disobedient to the light in them which manifests in them the righteous Law of God then they are condemned and do the Priests believe that all that could not read the Scriptures without were without a rule and were all condemned seeing thus they have affirmed no other standing rule but the Scriptures which by the Scriptures they cannot prove Priest Joh 20 30 31 And many other signes truly did Jesus in the presence of his Disciples which are not written in this book but these are written that ye might believe c. Suppose that we had the signes which are not faithfully Recorded in writing yet were they not our rule because God did not give order for them but has assured us as much as is sufficient to create and preserve faith in the Gospel which we have Answ So then he having owned no other standing rule of Faith and Life but the Scriptures in these his words he intendes these Scriptures that are upon Record are sufficient to create and preserve Faith in the Gospel which how false this is its easie to see for faith is the gift of God not created and preserved by the Scriptures though they were written to be believed but by Christ the author of faith and this is the work of God that yee believe in him whom God hath sent Joh 6 29 And again this Priest in his affirming no other rule but what we have Recorded in Scripture if the fignes that Christ did were all faithfully Recorded which are not he hath plainly contradicted himself in pag. 44. in his saying that those things that were not written might have been useful if they had been written for they were done for the very same end with those which are left us c. so then many things that are not written in Scripture might have been as useful as that which is written in the Scriptures if they had been Recorded See the confusion of these Priests that professe the Scriptures which are Recorded to be the word of God and the onely rule of Faith and Life and how therein they deny the leading of the Spirit of Truth and its sufficiencie Priest saith As for your participation of the Infallible Spirit if that were granted that inferres not a participation of the Spirits infallibility pag. 32. Answ This tends to divide the Spirit from its infallibility as if such as partake of the Spirit do not partake of its infallibility was there ever such folly as this seeing that the Spirit of Truth leads them that partake of it into all Truth which is infallible Priest As for our want of infallibility t is no valid plea against our Ministery page 33. and another such a like Doctrine he hath laid down in page 46. that the Spirit of God may accompany a Ministry and the Minister not have the Spirit and to prove these he hath brought Acts 20.17 also of your own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things c. and Matth. 23.2 3. the Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses seat c. Answ His falsehood here Appeares plainly for they that want infallibility and have not the Spirit of Christ they are out of the Truth and are fallible and their Ministry is not of the Spirit seeing they speak not from the Spirit but from their own hearts which are deceitful where they want infallibility so out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh And how can ye being evil speak good things Matth. 12.34 and they that ran and the Lord sent them not they profited not the people at all Jer. 23. and the Scribes and Pharisees and them that spoke perverse things against the Apostles the Spirit did not then accompany what they ministred they being out of the Spirit Here followeth something in answer to what the said Thomas Danson hath replyed to Richard Hubberthornes Paper Tituled the difference of that call of God to the Ministry c. PRiest saith None of my people can set to their seal that my Ministry hath brought them to a perfect man T is readily granted Nor was the Ministry intended for that end pag. 35. Answ This is false Doctrine for the true Ministry was for the perfecting of the Saints till all come into the unity of the Faith and the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man Ephes 4 11 12 13. So that Ministry of theirs which is not for the perfecting is a