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A00273 A dialogue or Familiar talke betwene two neighbours co[n]cernyng the chyefest ceremonyes, that were, by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde, suppressed in Englande, and nowe for vnworthines, set vp agayne by the bishoppes, the impes of Antichrist: right learned, profitable, and pleasaunt to be read, for the comfort of weake co[n]sciences in these troublous daies. Read first, and then iudge. 1554 (1554) STC 10383; ESTC S115543 27,807 78

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This was not spoken of goyng aboute the churche yarde wyth a crosse borne vpon a staffe with a goodly banner cloth but to folow him in our vocation leading a godlye life and as I said patiently suffering the tribulation of this world for his woorde and truthes sake Nicho. Yet it is a good sight to se sir Iohn how he becommeth our best Cope and vpon an hie daye to se al our Copes worne in procession Oliu. why haue ye Copes yet Nich. Yea as saite as euer we had Oliu. were not ye sworen to bring in al such thyngs before the kings cōmissioners Nich. Yea but we brought in two or thre of the worst kept the best behinde stil Oliu. Howe will you excuse your selues of periury Nich. we ar sori that we brought in any at all and as for periurie let god vs deale it Oliu. I am afraid it wil be a miserable dealing when god will arise to iudge the wickednes of so vnfaithful people that nether feareth God nor regarded the othe made by his name nor yet the cōmaundement of their king It wer a much more better sight to se sir Iohn become wel the pulpit and declaring to the people howe to folow Christ in godlines of liuing Nich. what say ye to processiō in gang daies when sir Iohn saith a gospel to our corne feldes Oliu. I say nothing but this ye that haue forsaken to folow god as he commaūdeth shal be left to your self to folow your own inuenciōs And as for your latine gospels tead to the corne I am sure the corne vnderstādeth as much as you therfore hath as much profit bi them as ye haue that is to sai none at al And manye times thys hath bene sene that the Clerke hath left the crosse behinde him and the priest his gospel booke and scant found the righte waye home they haue bene so combred with malt wormes miseled with the spirite of the butterie Trow you that god was not wel pleased wyth thys good Nicholas Nic. I trow so But fare wel Masse wil be don or I come Oliu. It makes no matter for one day I wil read the a peece of the scripture in steede of thy Masse Nich. I care not for the scripture and sir Iohn bad me beware of it for it wold make me an heritique Oliuer Sir Iohn then readeth not the Scripture Ncho No he saith he wil meddle no further then his portas Oli. The Scripture is gods word ii Pete i. opened to vs from heauen by the holy prophetes Apostles and Christ him selfe Psal cxix it is the light to our feete candel to our foote steppes Psal xix it is the law of life vndefiled and holy conuerting soules it teacheth al things ii Tim. iii that is good perfect rightwise holy to make the man of God perfect vnto all good woorkes Psalm i. He is blessed that studieth in it day and night but sir Iohns owlish eies can not abide it And as for his portas ther is in it a meany of lies craftili cloined to deceiue such vnstable soules as delight in blindnes deceiued thē selues and deceiuing other Nich. By our Ladye sir Iohn is a good priest say what ye list Oliu. Is sir Iohn maried Nich. Nay Mariage he crieth phie on that Oliu. what was the mater that sir Iohn was afore the Shriefe of the shire a while a go Nich. A naughty queane slandred him Oliu. wherwith Nicho. She had a childe in an old baren laied it to the priests charge that he begot it Oliuer Thinckest thou it was not a slaunder of truth Nich. Tushe if it were hys it was but a course of kinde Oliu. Had it not ben better sir Iohn had dad a wife of his owne as S. Paule saieth to auoide fornication let euery man haue a wife of his own ii cor vii and euery woman her owne husband Nich. what should priestes do with wiues Let thē fast and pray as theirfore fathers did liue chast Oli. Chast as sir Iohn doth Nic. Tush he was shriuen or he went to mas it was wel inough Ol. Nicholas I could sai somwhat of the vnwedded priests chastiti tel the many preti histories how holili the foxes abstaine frō snatching of goseflesh as oft as thei mai come to it But as S. Paule saith Ephesi v. it is shame to speake those thinges that thei do for such thīgs sake cōmeth the wrath of god vpō the childrē of vnbelefe althoughe ye make a tushing at it i. Cor. vii despice the holye state of wedlocke in those priests that be maried Yet do their folow the cōmaundement of God who cōmaundeth that euery man haue his own wife euery woman her own husband to the auoiding of whooredome And agayne Gods worde sayeth If they can not abstayne let them marrye for it is better to marrye then to bourne And againe Saint Paule saith as concerning virgins i. Tes iiii I haue no cōmaundement of the Lord. And againe This is the wil of god euen that you shuld be holy that ye should abstaine frō fornication Heb. xiii that euery one of you shuld know how to kepe his vessel in holines honor not in the lust of cōcupiscence as do the Hethen which know not god And again he saith wedlocke is to be had in honor among al mē the bed vndefiled for whoore kepers aduouterers god wil iudge Nic. This was spoken of men but sir Iohn is a priest Oliu. He is no angel nor yet stock not stone as apeareth by the preti babe But Nicholas is not mariage an holi thing Nic. Yes that is it prests tel vs it is one of the .vii. sacramentes Oliu. And is not priesthode holi also Nich. God forbid els Oliu. How chaūceth that holi priesthode holy mariage cā not agre together no better Nich. By mi truth mā I cannot tel Oli. I wil tel the. S. Paul saith the sprit speketh euidentlye i. Tim. iiii that in the latter daies some shal depart from the faithe and shall geue heede vnto spirites of errour dyuelish doctryne of thē whych speake false thorow hipocrisie and haue their consciences marcked with an hot yron forbidding to mary and cōmaunding to abstain from meates which god hath created to be receiued with geuing thanks of thē which beleue know the truth Here may al men that wilfulli are not blynde perceiue and see from whēce our prests wiueles life that condempne Matrimonie maintaine so hily their single life falsly named chastitie commeth euen from spirites of erroure from the deuil him self who with that holy snare hath drawē mani a thousand of soules into most beastlye and filthie liuing And this the hipocrites know well inoughe For their owne conscience is a witnes againste them that they liue not al chast but yet though thei know the truth of a set malise and
A DIALOGVE OR FAMILIAR talke betwene two neighbours cōcernyng the chyefest ceremonyes that were by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde suppressed in Englande and nowe for our vnworthines set vp agayne by the Bishoppes the impes of Antichrist right learned profitable and pleasaunt to be read for the comfort of weake cōsciences in these troublous daies Read first and then iudge From Roane by Michael Wodde the .xx. of February Anno. Domi. M. D.L.IIII A TALKE BETWENE OLYuer a professour of the Gospell and Nicholas noseled in the blynde superstitions NIcholas Good morow gossyb Oliuer God gyue you good morow good Nicholas whyther away so sone this morning Nicho. To church man heardest thou not the bell ryng to masse Oliuer Ye were not wont to be so hasty a morninges to churchwardes Nicho. No for when we came ther ther was nothing to do but to heare a priest babble But now I thancke God I may se my maker againe Oliu. Your maker Nicholas who is that Nicho. The great apple maker of holdernes Oliu. Apple maker ye mean God do you not Nicholas Yes marye do I. Olyu Then I perceiue that so long as Gods commaundementes were read in the Churches ye counted it bablyng neither delited ye in hearing thē but now ye haue somwhat to gase at that pleaseth ye But Nicholas I haue heard it said that no man euer saw God wyth his mortall eye Ex. xxxiii Iohn i. Nicho. Yea these heritickes tell vs so but I trust to see a good mani of them fry a faggot for this geare yet long Oliu. Are ye there now Nicholas I had went ye had loued and fauoured the word of God set out by our late most gratiouse vertuouse innocēt king Nicho. So I dyd as long as he lyued but now that he is dead I wil do as most men do so shal fewest men wonder at me Oli. In veri dede it is a politique worldli saying but Nicholas thynckest thou that god is dead Nic. Nay by my fayth Oliu. what and God wonder at the to se the so vnconstāt and vnstedfast waueryng as the wynde as a weathereocke doth that stādeth vpō the steple Nich. Ther are no weathercockes then one Oliuer Yea Nicholas that I thincke and mo then stand vpon steeples also but we shuld not do as the most do but as the best doeth Nich. So do I for I do as the richest in al the country doth and as all the greatest learned men do in al the countrey Oliu. Rytches are a good gyft of God but when they preuaile and to much addict a mans hart vnto them they make the same skant a good man Neyther are the greatest clearkes the wisest men alwai nor yet the best But they be the best that prefer gods honour before all thynges and that constantly abyde in the truth therof how soeuer the rytchest men greatest clerkes turne them selues frō it And this I meruel with what faces men can looke to be accompted Christians that deale so vnfaithfully with Christ For eyther they tooke it for the truth that was set out amongst vs or for an vntruth Yf they tooke it for a truth why do they now vntruly go from it as though there wer no truth in it Yf thei knew it to be no truth but false doctrine why dyd they not as Christen mē defend that doctrine which they knewe to be a truthe Nich. They durst not for fear Oliu. wo worth that feare that putteth away the feare of God notwythstandyng ther was no suche cause of feare For al the raigne of that most gratious king their raigned mercye pitye long sufferaunce and patient abyding for amendes euen of them that when thei were confuted so that neither their wit nor learning was able to withstand the truth yet maliciously they would not consent nor agree vnto it but outwardlye afore men to flatter those that were in authoritie thei bare them selues as great forwarders of the kinges procedinges as could be ▪ and what they were inwardly now appereth vnto al mē Nicho. They were worldly wyse men Oliu. Ye say truth worldly wyse in dede but such wisdome is great foly before God and vnto such wise men as Christ saith ar the secretes of god hiddē so that thei neither haue faith in god nor in his sonne Iesus Christ they neither haue the feare of his iudgementes nor loue of his mercy For these things ar geuen vnto babes to the outcastes of this world that ar coūted foles outcastes as their master Christ was These do not seke to flatter kinges and prynces but they seke to please God and to set forth his truth with the los if God so lay the burthen vpon them of goodes frendes name euē their life which of these trow ye ar most worthy to be folowed Nicho. I can not tel I. we dyd wel inough afore and better then we haue done since for we had neuer good world since this geare began But our sir Iohn telleth vs another lessō Oli. what I prai the Nich. Mary that he maketh God euery day at his masse Oliue Can syr Iohn make thy maker Nicho. Yea that he doth euery dai Oliue And doth he shew him vnto the Nicho. Yea he is as faire a lifter as ani is within Hamshire Oliu. And what doth he with hī afterward Nich. what man eat him or hang him in the Pix Oliu. Than he maketh him and eateth him Nicho. what els Oliue what hangeth in the Pix Nich. Gods bodi sacred Oliue Thou saydest syr Iohn dyd eate gods bodye Nicho. Yea so I said Oliue How can he eate hym hang him vp to Nich. I can not reason such hie matters I beleue as our sir Iohn telleth vs. Oliuer who made goddes bodye sacred Nich. Marye sit Iohn Oliue And who made sir Iohn Nich. God made him Oliue Then he is euen with god and maketh him again Nich. we trow so for sir Ihon is a prest anointed Oliu. who made him a priest anoynted Nich. The Bishop Oliue wherwyth anoynted he him Nich. with oyle in the Chrismatorye Oliue who made the Byshoppe Nich. The Pope Oliue Then the Pope made the Byshop the Byshop greased syr Iohn sir Iohn made God Nich By our blessed Ladye Oliuer ye are as bad as the best and I am sory to se you fal to this new learning Oliue In good faith Nicholas I am sory to se you and many a thousand mo thus to fal againe from gods word to your old superstitious errours and idolatries Nic. we beleue as our forefathers did Oliu. what cal ye forfathers Nich. Mary my father my grandsire and my great grandsire Oliu. Is thy father aliue Nich. Yea but he is at the last cast Oliue Howe long is it since thy graundsire dyed Nich. He died .xx yere synce when I was twelue yere old Oli. How thinkest thou was not saint Peter and saint Paule forefathers Nich. Yes marye Oliue was not Christ a forefather Nich. yes