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A89880	Independencie no schisme. Or, An answer to a scandalous book, entituled, The schismatick sifted: written by Mr. John Vicars. Which may serve also for a reply to Master Edwards his Gangræna. Wherein is discovered the vanity of those unjust slanders cast upon the dissenting brethren, whom they call Independents. With some hints added about gospel-government. / By M.N. med. pr.	Nedham, Marchamont, 1620-1678.	1646 (1646)	Wing N391; Thomason E344_24; ESTC R200974	10,956	18

as Iohn did saying Come out of her my people yet the Devil would beg leave to be a lying spirit in the mouths of some to brand them for schismaticks To the second That since they cry out for liberty of conscience it is more lawfull for him to use liberty of speech with christian moderation Then let your moderation be known to all men leave off your nick-names and by words of your brethren Truth gains nothing by ill language I wish all of your mind would consider it and not let this liberty of tongue in them become a stumbling block to any or grieve the hearts of their Brethren Ye which look for Peace and Truth must first use Moderation were there but any Christian moderation there would be neither cry nor groan for Liberty To the third that Independencie is a most dangerous schisme and hangs upon two hinges hope of impunity and the good opinion which some Presbyterians have of them of that way I would fain have some of these Furioso's tell us wherein Independencie as they call it deserves the name of schisme If Luthers departing from Popery was no schisme if the first Reformation in England was no sohisme if the Presbyterians late departing from the Prelacie was no schisme but were all degrees of Reformation in their times how comes it then that this more spirituall Church-way of Independents which aims at a yet more perfect reformation should beare an imputation of schisme more than the other At present Satan may endeavour to blast it with the name of schisme as he did former Reformations which succeeding years may acknowledge for the right way And truly it hath pleased God to stir up mens hearts wonderfully at present to search the Scriptures themselves to take upon them to question reason cases and try spirits and not to pin their soules and understandings upon Presbyters sleeves now as they were wont to do upon the Prelates And if this course were a little more usuall among Christians all well-meaning Presbyterians would soon have a good opinion of that way and then what Hinges soever Independents hang on 't is probable others may be quite off the Hooks To the fourth That they love to live Salamander-like in the fire of hot disputes Better so than Salamander-like in the fire of persecution As long as there is Scripture-reason truth will never want a champion I do not mean in vain logical or philosophical reasoning which is meer foolishnes in reference to the things of God though yet in that way we dare hold up an Argumentative buckler against the most Mercurial Sophisters of this age Mr. VICARS That Independents preach sound doctrine yet intermixe the unsound leven of false opinions witnesse their pleas for a toleration of all opinions and liberty of conscience Answer If to teach that variety of Opinions ought not to break the Vnity of the spirit be unsound leven why then doth the Apostle presse this duty notwithstanding outward differences But as for a toleration of all opinions I suppose no discreet man will charge this upon their Brethren for we yield not to errors in Gospel-principles only we can see no reason why mens consciences should be burdened with outward ordinances or that they should be bound to this or that opinion in carnal formalities which they cannot be perswaded of and perhaps can alledge evidence from the Word for the contrary as the case is with those they call Anabaptists Independents Seckers c. Mr. VICARS 1. That Scripture discipline is the hedge wall or fence of Gods precious garden or vineyard 2. That Mr. Edwards in his Gangrana hath set forth many damnable doctrines and erronious opinions of Independents 3. That Independents and the rest of the Sectaries are like Sampsons Foxes tyed together by the tailes 4. That they pretend holines of life as the Scribes and Pharisees and afterward the hereticks did of old Answer To the first that Scripture-discipline is the hedge c. If the garden of the Church be so precious in Gods eyes then 't is sit the fence and hedge should be according to his own appointment no gardiners or guardians placed therein but of his own choosing will he not be angry if we take upon us to thrust in whom we please to order the people which are Gods husbandry after our own humour and put in such husbandmen of our own that if God send a servant or two of his they will perhaps deal with them like those in the 20. of Luke beat them wound and cast them out Certainly this will not be pleasing to the Lord of the vineyard To the second that Mr. Edwards hath set forth in his Gangraena many damnable tenets of Independents Mr. Edwards indeed has been raking in the kennel but he hath fouled himself most Mr. Edwards is a very credulous man and hopes every man else will be so too and I know would have the world think all that he reckons up belongs to Independents Is this your way of conquest to accuse the Brethren this is Satans practice I suppose Mr. Edwards looks to rise as high in renown as the old Heresiographers Augustine and Epiphanius But did they after they had cast up the heresies of old asperse them upon any one party as Mr. Edwards endeavours upon the dissenting Brethren on purpose to render them odious to the people This is a weak shift to support the Government he layes claim to To the third that Independents and the other sectaries are like Sampsons foxes tyed together by the tails Indeed this is the designe to present Independents and the rabble of lewd and unwarrantable Opinions all under one whether they be tyed by the tailes it matters not much their heads are distant enough and the world sees it till Mr. Vicars prove the contrary all whose books have neither head nor taile neither premises nor conclusion but upon his own bare word and authority To the fourth that they pretend holinesse of life as the Scribes and Pharisees and Hereticks of old Do all so or some few tell us next time how many and their names lest the whole suffer for some few Do you and Mr. Edwards resolve to take all on trust Are you able to judgd of the inward man How does this agree with the new commandement which Christ Jesus received of the Father and left as his last legacie to his Children that they should love one another By this sayes John we know that we are of the Truth Not by slandering the Brethren Woe to them by wh●m scandals come Judge not that ye be not judged Mr. VICARS 1. That whosoever loves to laugh at a sermon let him go heare Mr. Peters preach 2. That Mr. Iohn Goodwin wrote a late unfavory treatise called Cretensis 3. That the Apologeticall Narration was attested by the Authors only to paint out their own piety but that it betrayes double dealing and that their exile or banishment out of England was but pretended 4. That the

INDEPENDENCIE NO SCHISME Or An Answer to a Scandalous Book entituled The Schismatick sifted Written by Mr. JOHN VICARS Which may serve also for a Reply to Master EDWARDS his Gangraena Wherein is discovered the vanity of those unjust Slanders cast upon the Dissenting Brethren whom they call Independents With some Hints added about Gospel-Government By M. N. Med. Pr. 2 Cor. 13. 6 7 8 9. I trust ye shall know that we are not Reprobates Now I pray to God that ye do no evil not that we should appeare approved but that ye should do that which is honest though we be as reprobates For we do nothing against the Truth but for the Truth For we are glad when we are weak and ye are strong and this also we wish even your perfection Ephes 4. 25. Wherefore putting away lying speak every man truth with his neighbour for we are members one of another London Printed for Rob. White 1646. To Master VICARS Mr. Vicars YOu may mean well but you write ill and as pious acute Mr. Saltmarsh * Shadowes flying away sayes of Mr. Gataker me thinks your Expressions have too much of that which Solemon cals frow ardnesse in old men Alas Sir I cannot imagine you are yet out of your Horn-book in Divinity that expresse so little Logick in your writings and therefore you may do well to be silent and let the Anakims of the Presbyterie the tall S●pbisters take the task upon them and not let your Cause suffer by railing inconclusive Notions which have no more to underprop them but your own Ipse dixi But I observe you write much which is the reason I thought fit to waste a few houres that men of understanding may not gaze any mor● after Paper-kites of your makeing And so resolved to fall to sifting that Book which you call the Schismatick sifted c. that in a little may be discovered the vanity of all the rest of your Pamphlets And verily if there had been as little malice as wisedome and no more falshood than reason in it it had been passed with as much neglect as is due to folly But when you one of the simplicity of your heart begin to cast dirt in the faces of the most illuminated and eminent Saints and servants of Christ and like a giddy Animal paddle and rake in the kennel of Slander to asperse or quench the most excellent Lights 'T is time to bray you for your foolishnesse in a Mortar hoping you are not past Cure of the Pestle TO THE READER Good Reader HAve a little patience for I must needs throw away some Ink upon this Paper-worme this great benefactor to the Magazine of waste paper As a further explanation of his mind he cals his Pamphlet by another Name The Picture of Independents freshly and fairly washt over again wherein the Sectaries the principall seducers to that dangerous and subtile schisme of Independencie are lively set forth c. That you may know whom he means by the principall Sectaries and Seducers c. he places these Names following in the Front Master William Greenhill Master Thomas Goodwin Master Philip Nye Master William Bridge Master Ieremiah Burroughs Master Sydrach Sympson Master William Carter Men of excellent Gifts absolute Integrity and profound Knowledge in the mysteries of God in Christ yet here blotted in his pernicious Pamphle with the worst of slanders whom to vindicate were in a manner to wrong them their known perfections soaring above the reach of impious scandal By washing over again you must understand that Mr. Vicars drew a Picture of the Independents not long since which he now washes over again and he good man thinks he hath done very well yet sure he is but an ill Picture-drawer that needs Spectacles and borrows deceitfull Colours from others as Mr. Vicars doth whom I will now present to you in his own picture with every lineament of his folly Independencie no Schisme Master VICARS THat ill weeds grow apace in Gods garden the Church through the impunity and intolerable Toleration of Sectaries Schismaticks 2. That since they cry out for liberty of conscience it is more lawfull for him to use liberty of speech with christian moderation 3. That Independencie is a most dangerous schisme and that the door of Independents hangs upon two hinges Hope of impunity and a continued good opinion even among the Presbyterian party 4. That they love to live Salamander like in the fire of hot disputes Answer To the first That ill weeds grow apace in Gods garden by toleration c. Let the Church the garden of God be once furnished with true genuine plants I mean such only as our heavenly Father hath planted by divine institution Let such a Government be set up as is only according to the will and appointment of Jesus Christ and there can be no fear of prejudice by a toleration of divers Opinions If the work be of God if a Church way be founded upon the impregnable rock Christ nothing can overthrow it not the gates of hell can prevaile against it There was no noise made in building Solomons temple and why should we make tumults and persecutions in building up the temple of Christ whose temple we are Let men be left to the power of the Word and if they be not convinced by its mighty working if they be given over to strong delusions not all the principalities and policies under heaven can reduce them the Gospel is the gospel of peace and we have no warrant thence to deal otherwise with men then in a way of Peace and Gospel power Secondly Mr. Vicars we do allow there are Sectaries Schismaticks and Hereticks in the Church of God for such the Apostle sayes there will be among us and I believe now are and whether it be not better to leave their conversion to the power of the Word than to cudgel and whip them to it I leave those who know any thing of gospel proceedings to judge But in the mean time will you call all that are not of your own opinion such even those of the most moderate Dissenters must they be markt with a black coal by wise Mr. Vicars for sectaries and schismaticks and their names thus bespattered in Print which for ought he knowes may be written fair in the Book of life Thirdly I observe there is a great noise made of Schisme here among us Thus the Papists charged the Protestants with schisme upon Luthers Reformation and a long time after till the slander became as thredbare as the proofs of it were weak Just so now deal the Presbyterians with their brethren whom they nickname Independents and whosoever traces Ecclesiastical history shall find it hath ever been Satans policie upon any irradiations of Divine light immediately to brand it for schisme which is the main reason why Reformation hath been so often near the birth and yet not strength to bring it forth I am perswaded though we should hear a voice from heaven