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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A45834	A stop to a lying pamphlet falsly called Truths plea for infants lately published by Mr. Alexander Kellie, in answer to a book lately published, intituled, Infants baptism disproved ... / by Jer. Ives ...	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1656 (1656)	Wing I1106; ESTC R9585	6,806	16

A STOP TO A LYING PAMPHLET Falsly Called Truths Plea for Infants Lately Published by Mr. Alexander Kellie in Answer to a Booke lately published Intituled Infants Baptism Disproved In which Pamphlet his very many Lyes and Eaylings not becoming a man meerly Civil much lesse a Minister of Christ as he pretends are hereby manifest By JER IVES Cheesmonger The mouth of him that speaketh Lyes shall be stopped Psalm 63.11 Should thy Lyes make men hold their peace And when thou mockest shall no man make thee ashamed Job 11.3 The proud have forged a Lye against me Psalm 119.69 And the Prophet that speaketh Lyes he is the taile Esay 9.15 Holding faith and a good conscience which some have put away and concerning faith have made shipwracke of whom is Hymeneus and ALEXANDER c. 1 Tim. 1.19 20. LONDON Printed for the Author 1656. TO THE READER READER THese ensuing lines are sent out after a lying Pamphlet that so thou mightst apprehend it and bring it to its deserved judgement and that thou mayest know it when thou meetest with it first take notice of its name which is Truths Plea for Infants Little would a Booke of this name be suspected to have more Lyes in it then it contains sheets But herein it s much like the Pharisees Cups that were clean without but foule within And this thou wilt find it to be if thou shalt compare my Book and his Answer together and observe the places in both to which I shall refer thee which is all I shall doe at this time This if I should never doe any more would be enough to keep the judgement of a wise man from being touched with such an unclean thing And truly if James speaks true that A good fountaine cannot send forth sweet water and bitter then the manifest untruths in the Booke doe plainly shew how little the Author was inspired with the Spirit of truth which Christ saith John 16.13 will lead into ALL truth And if this shall not be thought a sufficient Answer to the whole I doe assure thee If Mr. Kellie will come in publick with his Booke in his hand I will meet him if he dares and shew him before as many Scholars as he pleases of his own judgement that there is not any thing in my Booke because he talkes of my not knowing my Accidence the Printers errors excepted which his Booke is not free from but I shall make appear to be according to their own Rules and I shall also before the same men at the same time show him how much he hath swerved from the known Rules of the Schooles and Christianity as though he were a stranger to both as I have in part already done in divers places of my fore-mentioned Booke from which he hath not so much as endeavoured to clear himselfe Thus hoping thou wilt take this in good part I subscribe my selfe Thy Friend so far as thou art the Truths Jer Ives A STOP TO A Lying Pamphlet FALSELY CALLED Truths Plea for Infants SINCE my present designe is to shew the Lyes and Scurrilous Language of Mr. Kellie his book falsly called Truths Plea for Infants I shall first begin with his Lyes and they may be called Legions for they are many Among which take these that follow The first that I shall mention is in the latter end of his Epistle to the Reader where he excuseth his impertinencies by telling his Reader that He was to pursue me as a Thief with Hue and Cry over hedge and ditch And by this he would make him believe that I in my Book went out of the Road in answering a Paper he sent to my house which is false as my whole Book will declare wherein I set down all his Arguments impartially in a different Letter and Answer them one by one that the Reader might know what was mine and what was his which he did not doe in his Reply How then went I out of the Road like a Thief Again Why did not he shew me and his Readers in what Page I did break the bounds of Discourse that so he might have justified his breaking the hedge to goe after me Doth not this plainly shew that I kept the road and that he broke over hedge and ditch because he was afraid to meet with me I shall therefore appeale to all men who know what method is whether my Book in Answer to his Paper be not more methodicall then his Reply The second Lye I shall mention is in the 11 line of his Answer to my Epistle where he saith that I cast dirt upon the fathers because I mention in my Epistle some of their Errours How can this be casting dirt upon them unlesse they were not guilty of such errors as I charge upon them Now therefore he must needs be a Lyer in saying I throw dirt upon the fathers when I say nothing of them but what he knowes to be true unlesse he be ignorant of their Writings The third Lye I shall mention is that in the 12 line of his Answer to my Epistle where he saith that I doe not shew in what places to find their errors which is false for except two or three of the Fathers whose errors were generally known I doe mention the Books Chapters or Pages wherein the errors I charge them with may be found as any one may see that reads over the Epistle to my Book The fourth Lye that I shall mention is that in the 21 22 line of his Answer to my Epistle he saith that I doe slander GODLY learned men as men minding their profits and credits more then the truth This is false for I dare not think much lesse write any such thing of GODLY learned men as to think that they mind their profits and credits more then truth no I have not so learned Christ But indeed I said the reason why the learned did not find out the right way in the midst of these many ways was because of their pride on the one hand or profit on the other Now doth this slander the GODLY learned judge I pray and see whether I say any such thing in all my Epistle I always thought the GODLY learned to be but a few in comparison to the vast number of the learned I likewise believe the GODLY learned are such as would with that blessed and godly Apostle Paul count all things drosse and dung that they might win Christ The fifth Lye I shall mention is found about the middle of the 2 page of his Book wherein he saith that I cite some Scriptures of all Nations but therein he saith I am no noble Berean as I would make men believe in the beginning of my Epistle His reason is Because he saith if you will believe him that I doe not give one place set down where to find those Scriptures This is also a notorious untruth for both the Chapters and Verses are set down where to find every Text mentioned upon that occasion as

you may see in my Book page 2. Again A sixth Lye he tells a few lines after in the same 2 page of his Book where he saith that I said Infants could not blesse This is false for I said that Infants could not CALL Christ blessed as you may perceive by what I say toward the lower end of the third page of my Book for there is a sense in which all the works of God blesse and praise him Psal 145.10 But doth it follow therefore that all his works CALL him blessed Therefore to say I said Infants could not blesse or praise is false A seventh Lye is in page 9. where he supposeth me to Interpret Esay 65.20 as though Infants should live an hundred years before they dye a naturall death or else that they must dye in their estate in glory Both which are falsly suggested for I said the contrary that there should be no infant of dayes in the new Jerusalem and so saith the Text That the child not an infant in his sense should dye an hundred years old Now Reader how that which I have said in the 13 page of my Book can give a man that puts away lying lips occasion to suppose that either I must mean that Infants must live a hundred years before they dye a naturall death or else that they must die after they come to an estate of glory judge The eighth Untruth that he tells is page 10 of his Book where he saith That I like a base fellow said in the 16 page of my Booke that God makes but a bare promise but is not so good as his word Indeed if I had said so I had been base but there is no such saying of mine in the whole Book Sure this man might have been called Alexander the Coper-Smith since he can forge Lyes to wrong his Neighbour with so much confidence and publish them in Print as he hath done The ninth Lye I shall mention is in the 40 page of his Book towards the lower end of it where he saith That I said there was no Antiqnity for Infants baptisme in the first three hundred years after Christ This is false I said not so as you may see in the 68 page of my Book where I have these words viz. That Eusebius who wrote the History of the first three hundred years doth not mention the baptizing of one infant I also said in the same page That the Churches did not receive men to baptism but upon profession of faith and also That infants baptism was no Apostolicall Custome nor SO MUCH the Custome of those times as he did imagine Doth this prove that I said there was NO Antiquity for Infants baptism in the first three hundred years after Christ Nay doth not those words before mentioned and which are found in the beginning of the 69 page of my Book prove the contrary viz. That it was not so MUCH the Custome of those times c. Which plainly shewes that this error was crep in even in the first three hundred years though it was not so MUCH their Custome as it was afterwards Again Did not Origen live in the first three hundred years And doe not I say page 68 that Origen was thought to favour Infants baptism and yet this man dares to tell his Reader that I say there was no Antiquity for Infants baptism the first three hundred years which nothing is more false However I have shewed that if some Christian Parents who were eminent lights in the Churches in those times did not baptize their infants it much makes such a practice questionable that 's all I brought those passages for for many errors were crept into the Church at that time and the being of them then doth not prove the truth of them I shall now give a Catalogue of his unsavory speech that plainly will shew what spirit did assist him in writing his Book which because there was a word Printed in my Epistle to my Book that was not true Orthography that is to say not truly spelt that therefore I did no more know what the word meant then the heele of an old Cheese * See his Book towards the latter end of his Answer to my Epistle Suppose I had spelt the word false and that it had not been the Printers Errata doth this prove what he hath spoken that I doe not know the meaning of it no more then the heele of an old Cheese Doth it follow that because a man cannot spell a word that therefore he doth not know what is meant by it As for example Doth it follow that though a man should not spell Horse aright that he knowes no more what a Horse is then the heele of an old Cheese Nay further whereas he talks of the Mathematicks I know many Seamen that are better Mathematicians then Mr. Kellie that doe not know how to spell all the tearms of Art belonging to it and yet doe understand them better then the heele of an old Cheese By this you may see he matters not what he saith Again in his Book page 4. he saith That I would make simple people believe the Moon was made of green Cheese but he saith the Cheesmonger hath never a taster to make them find it so Again page the 6 he saith meaning my self You are a sweet youth Again page the 9 he calls me Miserable bold fellow In the same page about the latter end of it he saith He perceives the knavery of Hereticks This he applyes to me because of what I answered to his Argument in my Book page 17. Which if in that Answer there is any thing that renders me a knave read and judge Again page 21 he saith When my Nose is Cheese the Cats shall eat it Again page 22 he hath these words Vp Robin the Ram's in the Rye Again page 34 he saith I talke like an Asse If these words savour of the Spirit which is from above judge Again he would faine make us whom he calls Anabaptists odious by telling his Reader that we are divided among our selves as you may see in the beginning of his Answer to my Epistle and that there be none more contradictious then we both to all the godly learned in the world and likewise to one another Some he saith are for the Glasse-house some for Pauls some for Beach-lane some for Arminians some against them Many that frequent one of our places he saith think it abomination to goe to another of them Many of us he saith are turned Ranters and Quakers c. The like you shall find in the 36 page of his Book To all which I Answer That this is as false as the rest to say that NONE are more contradictious then those he calls Anabaptists for first They that are for Infants baptism are more contradictious as for instance Some are Papists some are Lutherans some are Calvinists some Arminians some Arians some Athanasians some for the salvation of all both men and Devils as